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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:36 PM

Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s

Source: The Hill

Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s
By Ian Swanson - 12/14/12 06:49 AM ET

President Obama said his economic policies are "so mainstream" he'd be considered a moderate Republican in the 1980s.

In a Thursday interview with a Miami-based local television station, Obama said he thinks few people believe he wants to impose socialism on the country.


"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican," he told Noticias Univision 23 in a White House interview.

"I mean, what I believe in is a tax system that is fair," he continued. "I don't think government can solve every problem. I think that we should make sure that we're helping young people go to school. We should make sure that our government is building good roads and bridges and hospitals and airports so that we have a good infrastructure.



Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/272957-obama-says-his-economic-policies-so-mainstream-hed-be-seen-as-moderate-republican-in-1980s

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Reply Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s (Original post)
kpete Dec 2012 OP
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me b zola Dec 2012 #2
Wind Dancer Dec 2012 #18
Phlem Mar 2013 #115
dogman Dec 2012 #3
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think Dec 2012 #13
adieu Dec 2012 #4
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NCarolinawoman Dec 2012 #95
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phleshdef Dec 2012 #99
enlightenment Dec 2012 #101
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Bucky Dec 2012 #14
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:38 PM

1. Obama channels Cornel West

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Response to Enrique (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:40 PM

2. Yes sir, he did indeed vindicate Dr West

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Response to me b zola (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:07 PM

18. Exactly!

Most of us knew this already and were shut down if we dared discuss it.

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Response to Wind Dancer (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:32 PM

115. I hear you.



-p

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:43 PM

3. Does this mean he should be banned from DU?

This would have resolved a lot of the debates here.

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Response to dogman (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:49 PM

7. "DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans..." - DU TOS

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:57 PM

13. More like Grayson, Warren, and Sherod Brown etc etc etc

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:43 PM

4. And his civil liberties stances would be

considered as hard conservative in the 1980s. I know, why are we backing this guy? Because the alternative is so fucking crazy!!

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Response to adieu (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:26 PM

23. That's about right

We swung so hard right that we will need a generation to get back to normal.

Unless the TPers swing us more right in 14?

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Response to adieu (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:59 PM

59. Pro-gay marriage, repealing DADT, equal pay for women, pro-choice all the way...

What you just said is completely inaccurate and poorly thought out.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #59)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:14 PM

62. Not exactly

He continued indefinite detentions, his DOJ fought allowing Bagram detainees to use Habeas Corpus to challenge their detention, he also signed an act that would allow detaining US citizens indefinitely. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_of_2012

He ordered a killing of a US Citizen abroad, he continues the Patriot Act, expansion of surveillance and punishing whistle-blowers, there is a reason why the poster you replied to said what he/she said.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #62)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:20 PM

63. FDR did worse.

Regardless, no far right wing Republican would have the civil liberties stances that Obama has on non-defense related subjects. So its utterly stupid to suggest that they would.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #59)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:27 AM

79. Pro off shore drilling and drilling in Alaska.

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #79)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:56 AM

95. Wolves no longer protected.

Salazar was/is not an environmentalist.

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Response to NCarolinawoman (Reply #95)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:59 AM

96. Oh yeah.

 

And they're being slaughtered. What a tragedy.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #79)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:57 AM

99. Which has fuck all to do with civil liberties. You are attempting to argue like a Republican now...

Just change the subject when the other person's points don't suit you.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #99)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:18 PM

101. You're the one who changed the subject.

The President was referring to his economic stance. You brought up civil liberties. Don't be surprised when people play by your rule book.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #101)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:23 PM

108. Um no I didn't. Learn how to read a thread.

A poster above me brought it up and said that Obama's civil liberties stances would've made him a hard right conservative in the 1980s. I responded to that.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #99)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:27 PM

102. You don't remember Republicans chanting

 

"drill, baby, drill"?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:46 PM

5. Yes, and the problem is we voted for a progressive Democrat! Government is the people, and

we can solve everything.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:30 PM

26. yes!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:49 PM

6. ... some of us see him as a Moderate Republican NOW.

n/t

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Response to Myrina (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:08 PM

47. S'wot I said

Exactly.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:14 PM

66. BINGO!

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Response to Myrina (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:29 AM

80. Yep.

 

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Response to Myrina (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:15 AM

83. Jeez, are there any left?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:52 PM

8. Thank you, Mr. President.

Can we all remember this when talking about "The Left"? 'cause these days that term covers a lot of ground that once upon a time was seen as pretty mundane.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:54 PM

9. Well, I voted For and took his

word that he is a Democrat from the Dem Wing of the party---based upon What he stated during his campaign in 2008---
And this is also an indicator/measument for How Far The Dem Leadership have allowed us to be "pulled toward the Right"...I'm not going any further.

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Response to fredamae (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:57 PM

14. Sure, but his comparison isn't really inconsistant with that.

Wait, wasn't the "Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party" Howard Dean's line?

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Response to Bucky (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:21 PM

37. yes it was

Some of us remember

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:54 PM

10. I recall when all those Rockefeller Republicans came out for gay marriage & legalized pot

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:54 PM

11. I appreciate Obama's honesty is these regards. /nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:55 PM

12. President Obama

AMA: One issue that Cuban-Americans are worried about is, they believe that you favor a socialist model for our country. Cubans and Venezuelans especially because of what they have gone through. What do you think of that?

PBO: I don't know that there are a lot of Cubans or Venezuelans, Americans who believe that. The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican. I mean, what I believe in is a tax system that is fair. I don't think government can solve every problem. I think that we should make sure that we're helping young people go to school. We should make sure that our government is building good roads and bridges and hospitals and airports so that we have a good infrastructure. I do believe that it makes sense that everyone in America, as rich as this country is, shouldn't go bankrupt because someone gets sick, so the things I believe in are essentially the same things your viewers believe in.

...is a shrewd politician. He is redefining the right.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:28 PM

25. Come on, now ProSense. You know that they won't read the entire passage for context.

Why do you even try?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:36 PM

28. It's a good statement, it's heartfelt, it's honest.

I respected many moderate Republicans. Barack Obama is slightly right of Dwight Eisenhauer. It's true. We could do a lot worse and we have done a lot worse in recent years.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:24 PM

38. Obama's policies are actually very far to the right of Eisenhower

Eisenhower insisted on a 91% top tax bracket, started enormous public works projects, laughed at anyone who wanted to attack unions or Social Security, etc.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:49 PM

42. I think President Obama's

policies are comparable for the times (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021969595), and he gave us health care reform: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021978966


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Response to ProSense (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:16 PM

67. He "gave" us health care reform?

It was health insurance reform, and it wasn't a gift.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #67)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:23 AM

94. Here's the

thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021978966

Why don't you post that comment there?

"It was health insurance reform, and it wasn't a gift."

It expanded Medicaid to 16 million people. You're right, it wasn't a "gift." It was common sense.

SCOTUS ruling on health care law a huge win for Medicaid
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002868894

Note this point: Medicaid does not cover many low-income adults today.

Make no mistake: Republican hate Medicaid, they alway have.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002531684

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:32 PM

51. I remember that, too.

Moderate Republicans are pretty much extinct now, but I remember them. They were decent people. I guess the current democratic party is the new "moderate Republican."

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:14 PM

57. Refreshing, too

Much as I have many problems with the guy, this kind of straight talk is reassuring. What he's saying isn't particularly damning or anything of the sort; he's making a straightforward observation about the grave changes in our political landscape over the past few decades and an honorable self-assessment.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:44 PM

31. Yeah, the Republicans are the far right

while he's the "moderate" right.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:21 PM

49. Why don't

 

we distinguish the difference in which Cubans or Venezuelans, because there is a group of Cubans that perpetuates this right wing propaganda on all the Democratic party. They associated themselves with white supremacists and State's Rights advocates in this country too, which as an African American, I find offensive, and I'm putting it bluntly.

They should not associate the Cuban Revolution led by Fidel Castro with the History of the United States. This is a country that came from slavery to what we have today. The Federal Government has always been crucial in U.S. History ever since the American Civil War. Some of the greatest U.S. presidents in our hIstory would have been associated with communism, according to many cuban immigrants that fled Cuba for asylum in this country. I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm just stating the facts, about our country. They've been brain washed by state's rights supremacists, like the former Jessie Helms of North Carolina. I can understand some older Cubans resent Fidel Castro, taking their property, but this is not Cuba and Fidel Castro's Revolution. The same goes for people that hate Chavez too. I just don't think newly arrived immigrants should call natives that were here long before them, stealing or turning their country into anything, especially when that system of Government was here long before they even arrived here. I have no problem with them participating in our system, and welcome them with open arms, but wouldn't that be kinda rude if you disrespect those that accept you?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:00 PM

15. Sounds like he's announcing that

many of us wouldn't have voted for him 25 years ago. Hopefully those who bash liberals for all of the woes of the party will read this and realize that the root of the president's problem is that he is a self-indentifying (R).

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:02 PM

16. The Third Way

That's pretty much their goal right? Turning the Democratic Party into the Rockefeller republicans?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:03 PM

17. He's right about that

Too bad there were no actual Democrats running in 2012!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:13 PM

19. I'm glad that even the Prez acknowledges the fact that

America's politics have shifted rightward. The question now is...what is there to do about it? As long as the Rethugs are allowed to keep spreading the lie that the Dems are somehow "socialists" and far-left, we're pretty much fucked because there are a LOT of dumbass voters (around 60 million to be more precise) who'll buy that shit.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:14 PM

20. 1980's! Hell, I see him as a moderate Republican today. He's sure no Democrat.

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Response to LoisB (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:40 PM

29. How About A Reagan Democrat?

I recall there used to be a few of those people back in the day.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:22 PM

21. He's the most liberal President ever!!!

I know this because I read it on Democratic Underground.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:34 PM

52. LOL! n/t

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Response to progressoid (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:22 PM

77. lol

So it's gotta be true!

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Response to progressoid (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:32 AM

81. You can take that to the bank.

 

The man is a saint!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:25 PM

22. Don't blame Obama that a moderate GOPer in the 80s might be considered a leftwing liberal today

Blame Reagan, Rush/talk radio and Fox and all of the people who have fallen under their influence. The country has moved so much to the right economically that it is unrecognizable.

The good news is that on the social side, the country has become more liberal.

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Response to andym (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:41 PM

30. And He Let The Reichwing Freaks Pull Him To The Right

Mazeltov.

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Response to wellst0nev0ter (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:23 AM

85. No, he was there before he left college.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:27 PM

24. Bookmarking

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:31 PM

27. James Carville said it in 2011

On 24 May 2011, James Carville said, "I'd say President Obama is a pre-2008 John McCain Republican."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:50 PM

32. which is one reason I vote Green in the 2000s....

I never liked the moderate ones much, either.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:50 PM

33. Why are we bashing Obama here?

A moderate republican in the 80's was not a severely bad thing. Many of them could have been seen as democrats. They were pro-choice, for gun control, supported unions, were for equality and social justice. Many republicans voted for Medicare and Affirmative Action as well as the Civil Rights Act. On the other hand, we had democrats in the 80's who would be considered hard right by today's test.

Give Obama a break!



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Response to cosmicone (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:25 PM

39. And yet. I didn't vote for any of them because, as moderate as they were, Dems were better.

Now, we have no choice but to vote for a candidate that we wouldn't have dreamed of voting for in the 80s and before.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:55 PM

56. For what I can remember a 1980's republican could

be considered a conservative or middle of the road Dem now. Personally I'm to the left of Obama and I knew this when I voted for him. Paul Ryan on the other hand is the face of the modern republican and that's scares the shit out of me.

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #56)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:40 PM

65. I feel the same way you do.

I voted for President Obama twice even though I consider myself farther to the left than the President. I still call myself a Liberal rather than a Progressive, because I refuse to let the right wing whackos turn that word into something dirty. As Bill Press and Stephanie Miller both say, "I am a Liberal and I am Proud of It."

President Obama has done many good things, and somethings I wish he wouldn't have, just like every other Democratic President. Would I prefer he always err to the left sure, but the times are the times. That being said I won't be happy with him, if cuts to Medicare and SS are proposed and/or approved by him. Not saying they will be for sure, but just saying if they are.

You are also right that he is far preferrable to someone like Lyin Ryan or any of the Pukers now a days. I think that whole freaking party has turned into a bunch of psycho nut jobs who wouldn't know common sense/sanity if they were to smack them in the face. It is terrifying that somehow they still manage to get elected to any office let alone congress.

And this comes from someone who was raised by moderate Republicans. My Mom and I turned Democrat in the heart and mind though in the 1980s. Me because my Liberal Community College History Professor converted me and her because she thought Raygun was a nutjob too. She also firmly believed in Women's Right and the Right to Choose.


She never changed her formal registration because to have a say in our town gov, you have to register Republican. There is never any Democratic challengers even today. Redneck town in NY what can I say. My Mom voted Democrat in the State and National Elections though from the 80's on. So did I.

To me principal was more important than having a say in town politics, so I officialy changed my registration to Democrat, in the mid 90's. I couldn't in good conscience have anything to do with those bigoted, ignorant, a-holes on the PUke side anymore.

My sis changed to Dem too although she doesn't care that much about politics in general, and my Dad stayed a Republican until he died in the early 90's. He didn't seem to care at all about national politics. Never disscussed it. All he cared about was who was the Town Supervisor and the Highway Superintendent. That was what was important to him.

So I can forgive President Obama even if I consider him to be more like a Moderate Republican and even still respect him. At the same time, however, I can keep hoping and working towards the day when we can elect a more Liberal President again.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:59 AM

89. Excuse me, quoting is now bashing?

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:04 AM

90. Because he admitted he's a Republican

That's enough to get kicked off of DU

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:53 PM

34. well no shit

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:54 PM

35. I'd like to know which "moderate" Republican he thinks he's like.

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:15 PM

36. "I don't think government can solve every problem". So if it's very wealthy people that you


can send $40 billion a month to buy their mortgage-backed assets so they don't lose money, or $16 trillion to support other greedy bastards after years of fraudulent and criminal speculation with people's lives so they can keep getting bonuses of $20 million dollars above their salaries, then government is useful.

But to encourage enough demand to help create 24 million jobs, or keep 50,000 families from being yanked out of their homes every month, or create opportunities by subsidizing higher ed instead of passing laws that make it more likely that one will be in debt for decades as a cost of a degree of debatable worth, or watching as food stamp usage or the number of people considered "working poor" or in poverty hit record numbers we haven't seen for decades, increase, or millionaires on the hill sit around their taxpayer provided lunch tables and decide how many old people they can cut loose from Medicare because they cost too much, then, suddenly, government can 't solve all their problems.

I understand, and don't give a flying rat's ass about the context of the remarks.

Our ideas of fair are very different.



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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:27 PM

40. You don't care about context?

Since when is willful ignorance a virtue?

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Response to demwing (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:13 PM

48. So when a kid leaves school on Friday, and EVERYONE around them knows they won't have

another meal to count on until they get to school Monday, and it happens thousands of times across the richest country in the world, while over the same weekend billionaires are getting hundreds of millions of dollars taxpayer dollars that same weekend to support their houses and international business which some operate so as to avoid paying the taxes that underwrite the checks they grab. Or thousands of seniors sit in the dark, cold, lonely, afraid, with no medicine or food or friends and no money to change any of that after working for 40 years paying taxes and being an obedient citizen, and that happens thousands upon thousands of times, while banks are getting billions in zero interest taxpayer-funded loans so they can loan money out for profit to put in their pockets, While over 10 million families considered working poor with no future for years, according to the latest news from the labor department struggle every day while banks are supported with accounting rules that make their assets appear to be worth more than they are so as to keep the taxpayer dollars flooding in.

I find that so offensive and repulsive that I can't think of what possible context could make anything but "what can we do?" ok.

Here's another statement from a Republican President...

"As a result of the War, corporations have been entrenched and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands".

That context was in 1865. What I read sounds like a very different Republican view, one that either isn't informed, or maybe just doesn't care about history.

Oh, and same guy...

"Republicans, on the contrary, are for both the man and the dollar; but in case of conflict, the man before the dollar. "

Not what I am hearing today, even with context.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:27 PM

41. This thread is a great study in sociology/psychology

Cognitive dissonance is a damned powerful force. And amusing.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:50 PM

43. Yeah,

"Cognitive dissonance is a damned powerful force. And amusing."

...sort of like hate, but which isn't amusing.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:10 PM

61. Yeah, the hatred for anyone perceived as being to the left of Obama is palpable

The left is hated far worse than the right on DU.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #41)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:37 AM

82. The site of you in this thread

 

made ProSense very angry.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #82)

Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:34 PM

116. Nice



-p

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:50 PM

44. Really? Holy cow, I had no idea. I mean that is an amazing observation.

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:57 PM

45. wtf he admits it??!!

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #45)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:34 AM

87. Pretty well-known before he ran in '08...

No one -- MSM, the Party, the Administration -- wants anything to do with anything aporoaching the "left." And "left" has a pretty liberal definition.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:07 PM

46. He says that like he thinks its a good thing

I understand the point he's trying to make but he seems proud that he is espousing moderate republican policies.

And that's disturbing.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:55 PM

58. It IS a good thing

You are missing the point. The country has shifted. His "moderate" 20th century republican policies are needed to move the country to the left.

I know most of us liberals want to be able to go from Far Right to Far Left in one fell swoop, but it doesn't work that we. It's taken awhile for the country to shift so far to the right and the only way back is one step at a time.

Obama's policies are stepping back to the left. And yes, that's a good this.

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Response to WestCoastLib (Reply #58)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:13 PM

105. No it's not it's a BAD thing. The country needs more than an 1980s Republican to face down

 

those who are destroying the country for their short term monetary gain.

We don't need to coddle the Frackensteins.

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Response to WestCoastLib (Reply #58)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:20 PM

107. Disagree. The country hasn't shifted, but.........

the political class has. When every politician, Dem and Rep, bought into the neo-liberal economic bullshit, we stopped having a choice in elections. Look at where the people stand on ISSUES rather than self identification.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:28 PM

50. What we have gotten 'til now is not even moderate. It is right-wing.


Indefinite detention, "kill lists" and drone wars, pre-emptive war as administration doctrine, spy centers for mining or surveillance of all phone calls and email without a warrant, internet IDs and internet-censoring measures like ACTA, military drones in American skies, coordinated violent crackdowns against peaceful protesters, arguing at the Supreme Court for warrantless wiretapping and strip searches for any arrestee, job-killing free trade agreements, bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks, corporate education deform, selling off the Gulf of Mexico, a ramped up war on drugs, and using Medicare and Social Security as hostages to get austerity budgets in an economy that has already impoverished its middle class.....These are not moderate or centrist positions. Not by a long shot.

These are extreme corporatist, neocon, and police state policies, not "centrist" or moderate at all. And they are driven by corporatists in both parties.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:20 AM

84. ^^^This^^^

 

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:37 PM

117. More of this !

!!!!! !!!!!

-p

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:36 PM

53. Well isn't that just fucking swell.

Lest we forget what caused the economic issues of today. Ahem, 1980's conservatism.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:38 PM

54. I think more than a few people view him as trying to impose socialism

I bet at least 1/3 of the GOP does, if not closer to 50%. That's not a small number, though it is dwindling.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:54 PM

69. and the only way 1/3 of the people believe that shite

because the right wing talking heads fed them the socialist shite, knowing full well he's more like a "l980's repug." and, that's how far at the fascist right we've gone when the corporate owned media tells fools that the president is a sosssssshulist.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:49 PM

55. I imagine he's trying to defuse the GOP rhetoric

about leaning toward socialism or far left.

It's a good thing he didn't say this before the election.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:01 PM

60. Then he should have run as one.

GOP policies are why this country is as messed up as it is.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:21 PM

64. In some ways

Obama is to the right of Nixon.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:21 PM

68. uh, if he would have said like an eisenhower republican, I might have been more impressed

(not a mccarthy repug) but the eighties weren't the good old days, that's when reagan gave us shite and called it cake with trickle on economics. it's when reagan started attacking labor, busting unions. iran-contra anyone? how about the BCCI scandal. banks money laundering drug money and TERRORIST money. how about the S&L scam-the foxes guarding loosely the henhouse. what i see of the eighties is union busting, deregulating scams, greed and major corruption that hurts the american people, and an administration who went behind the backs and made deals against the people in this country while putting drugs on our STREETS. what was that for, to increase the prison population?

please don't say you're like a repug from the eighties. that's what got us into this corrupt mess in the first place; while letting politicians who did great harm to this country slide.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:45 PM

70. So, wouldn't that position him as generally against the Social Safety Net?

Explains why he had no problem repeatedly making sure that Social Security and Medicare was on the bargaining table. Explains lots of his appointments too. Many of us here on DU were treated to barrage of links and ad hominem attacks by a specific group of folks here, for even hinting that Obama was a Conservadem . It is quite interesting to see how this group of posters is working this thread.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #70)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:24 AM

86. They wanted me PPR'd for saying he was a Republican

 

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the day after the election. Now he admits it. If he cuts Medicare and Social Security this place is going to go ballistic.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #70)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:07 AM

91. And anti-union and anti-public school

this is news to none but the Kool-Aid drinkers

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:46 PM

71. dam..i`ve been saying that for a few years now.

at one time moderate republicans were socially progressive and fiscally conservative. hell ike would be a far left liberal today.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:46 PM

72. As Bill Maher said....

The Democrats have turned Republican, and the Republicans have gone crazy.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:55 PM

73. Everyone on this thread is missing the saddest part ...

"Obama said he thinks few people believe he wants to impose socialism on the country ...."

If he really believes that, he is being delusional. Fully 30% of the country thinks he is either a socialist or worse, and no matter how far he moves to the right, that will not change.

He still doesn't get it.

He still doesn't understand how profoundly divorced from reality the American right has become.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:54 PM

74. don't really need to go back to the 80's

Obama is very much a moderate NOW

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:12 PM

75. That's kind a funny!

I sorta see him that way today!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:14 PM

76. So, since the election is over, can we criticize him now? /nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:04 AM

78. ''The truth of the matter is.....''

- Finally......

K&R

''In politics we presume that everyone who knows how to get votes knows how to administer a city or a state. When we are ill...we do not ask for the handsomest physician, or the most eloquent one.'' ~Plato









What Eats Up 53 Cents Of Every Tax Dollar?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:35 AM

88. He said this to marginalize wacko republicans and attract independents but

who uses it to prove he's not one of us - liberal Democrats.

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Response to pampango (Reply #88)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:14 AM

92. He is not a Liberal democrat

 

he is a Pub who lacked the courage to be in the GOP.

I have always felt that way about him and always will.

Is he as bad as Reagan, no but if Pres Obama becomes the new standard for a dem then the party will have left me.

I would like to see the REAL Democrats the Liberals and Progressives split off into the democratic socialist party and be a party that actually represents the people.

Yes I voted for him twice but held my nose only because the other choice was worse.

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Response to pampango (Reply #88)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:03 AM

97. So I guess you're not a fan of FDR.

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #97)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:27 PM

111. A big fan. I believe Obama would govern differently

with a Congress as liberal as that FDR had. FDR made mistakes and had plenty of liberal critics in his day.

FDR inherited a Great Depression and had a liberal congress to work with. Obama inherited a Great Recession and a partisan congress and filibuster-prone senate. Perhaps FDR could have done better in Obama's situation. We will never know.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:02 AM

93. Yeah well that sucks

What we need is another FDR not a Nixon.

I support the President but statements like that give me no comfort at all.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #93)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:02 PM

110. I see him as a moderate Republican now.

I must be stuck in the 80's. Or maybe the 30's.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:42 AM

98. Do something about that, Mr. President!

I'd be ashamed.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:10 PM

100. Well then

For once I agree with the President 100%!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:28 PM

103. Uh--oh.

I hear the thunder of approaching Pom-Poms.


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:45 PM

104. Not as I remember

The Shitpublican party was already in the throes of non-democracy by the 80s. They have continued to with this trend since then. Of course maybe Obama means he's conservative in the old sense of the word (as am I).

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Response to rock (Reply #104)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:16 PM

106. Where's the action behind the campaign promise that he'd walk the picket lines with strikers

 

to obtain living wages and safe working conditions?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:37 PM

109. I was blocked from the Barack Obama Group for posting this article there.

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:45 AM

112. To be fair

So would Bill, and yes, so would Hillary. The question is, would Reagan be seen by the modern GOP as a Democrat?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:03 PM

113. The Repubs just got their asses handed to them by listening to their fringe

And yet, the super de dooper "uber leftists" seem to have learned not ONE DAMN THING and are still determined to play the "lefter than thou" game and dump all over this president as if anyone gives a shit or ever did.

I mean, this shit would be funny if it were not so incredibly sad and indicative of something almost pathological. Every time I come here, I remember what CJ Craig said about the lunatics that live on web sites before barring Josh from discussing anything with any of those people on The West Wing.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:17 PM

114. Obama is closer to the policies of Reagan than the current Republicans

Not that I think that is a great thing, just an observation. The TeaBaggers have taken the Republicans so far to the right, that a centrist looks to be a socialist from their perspective.

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