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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:37 PM

Scientists Link Gulf War Illness to Chemicals from US Bombings

Source: The Reno Dispatch

The 20-year mystery over Gulf War Illness, also known as Gulf War Syndrome, is finally close to being solved. The Reno Dispatch has learned exclusively that two new peer-reviewed scientific research studies whose findings are being released this week explain the enduring controversy over what caused many of the illnesses among literally hundreds of thousands of Gulf War veterans.

The first study confirms what many veterans already believed: weather patterns carried a massive toxic chemical cloud resulting from the U.S. bombing of Iraqi chemical weapon storage facilities a long distance before these chemicals ultimately fell on U.S. troops. This is being dubbed by some as the largest example of "friendly fire" in American history, because the so-called nerve and blister agents that dropped on American troops were supplied to Iraq by the U.S. before the Gulf War. These chemicals were then bombed by U.S. forces, which lifted them into the atmosphere and dropped on our own troops.

The second study confirms that Gulf War Illness reports were higher at the places where the sarin fell.

“Our peer-reviewed scientific findings bring us full circle by confirming what most soldiers believed when they heard the nerve gas alarms. The alarms were caused by sarin fallout from our bombing of Iraqi weapons sites,” James J. Tuite, who led the first study, said in a statement.

Read more: http://therenodispatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/bombshell-exclusive-scientists-link_13.html

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WilliamPitt Dec 2012 OP
Berlum Dec 2012 #1
NoOneMan Dec 2012 #2
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #3
NoOneMan Dec 2012 #5
Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #6
Dont call me Shirley Dec 2012 #12
octothorpe Dec 2012 #22
naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #21
octothorpe Dec 2012 #23
unhappycamper Dec 2012 #24
GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #4
Mangoman Dec 2012 #7
Berlum Dec 2012 #11
Mangoman Dec 2012 #25
Rozlee Dec 2012 #8
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #9
Rozlee Dec 2012 #16
Mangoman Dec 2012 #10
DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #13
progressoid Dec 2012 #15
Ash_F Dec 2012 #18
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #26
lbrtbell Dec 2012 #27
SoapBox Dec 2012 #14
Sedona Dec 2012 #17
Bozvotros Dec 2012 #19
bananas Dec 2012 #20

Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:39 PM

1. Sarin - Saurin

Sucks all the same.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:45 PM

2. Assuming the sarin didn't come from the bombs being dropped

 

Look, Im not saying its aliens....but....

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:47 PM

3. This is funny?

There are 250,000 veterans who are still sick from that war.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:05 PM

6. Did it not occur

to anyone at the Pentagon that if you bomb stockpiles of nerve gas, then the nerve gas would be released into the air?

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:49 PM

12. No, the warmakers NEVER consider any consequences to their actions other than

how much money will they get to make. Disgusting.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:21 PM

22. Like when they invaded Iraq (mistake) and didn't even plan how to fill the power void it created?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:11 PM

21. Just a few questions:

 

I believe 500,000 served in that war. Are you saying 50% fell sick?

Also, the article says that the US supplied the Sarin and Blister agents, is that true?

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Response to naaman fletcher (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:29 PM

23. Wikipedia has a section on how Iraq got some of it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Western_help_with_Iraq.27s_WMD_program

Not sure how accurate that is though, but it doesn't say the US gave them any. Although the US did give them biological samples for vaccine research. You have to wonder if they knew what they would ultimately be used for though. I always take anything like that with a grain of salt when I read it on wikipedia.

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Response to naaman fletcher (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:06 AM

24. 50% sounds about correct.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:47 PM

4. Full-circle indeed ...

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:14 PM

7. If I recall ...

 

General Schwarzcoph testified about the event and claimed that the 8 pages from his log that covered those days has disappeared

Cover up from the start

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Response to Mangoman (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:14 PM

11. Massive Pentagon Credibility Gap - 8 missing pages

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/518143/PENTAGON-ACCEPTS-A-ROLE-IN-CREDIBILITY-GAP-ON-ILLNESS.html?pg=all

"Frustrated by continued suspicion from the veterans community, the Pentagon acknowledges its own mistakes contributed to a credibility gap on its handling of Persian Gulf War illness...

"Only now is the military (claiming to be) painstakingly reconstructing a demolition operation in March 1991 that may have dispersed two tons of deadly sarin gas over an area crowded with U.S. troops...

"...Doubleday acknowledged the Pentagon made its own problems more difficult through poor management of the information it gradually uncovered about chemical weapons exposure in the Persian Gulf..."

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Response to Berlum (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:28 AM

25. It always made me wonder...

 

Why somebody would've volunteered for the military after this event , the military place the troops in a massive poisonous cloud and then when they became sick the military said "what sickness" and totally railroaded the troops with a cover-up

Who would sign up for that ?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:29 PM

8. Not sure I'm buying this.

A lot of people in my unit got sick after they got home. But, today's Gulf War II vets are getting sick as well. The people of Basra started having babies with birth defects and high cases of childhood leukemia when we left after Desert Storm. The population of the former Yugoslav countries have experienced a 200% increase in malignancies since the Balkan wars, which our troops participated in. It's not just Americans; other troops in the UN have also reported sickness and their children have come down with birth defects, including my granddaughter, who has Goldenhar Syndrome, an affliction that has been seen in the children of Gulf War vets. Her mother, my daughter, served multiple tours of duty in Iraq. The common denominator: Depleted Uranium.

I say bullshit on the sarin story. That's still a way of trying to blame Hussein for having weapons of mass destruction and to protect our military industrial complex and one of it's greatest profit makers of all time, a radioactive killing machine that is destroying our own troops. We dropped 300 tons of DU in the first Gulf War and nearly 5,000 in the second, nearly 2,000 on Fallujah alone during the 2004 offensive. We've got over half a million claims going through the VA right now from troops afflicted with everything from direct combat injuries to PTSD and other ailments such as higher than normal kidney failure and other problems that I'm sure the VA hasn't even been able to tap because of the overwhelming numbers.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:33 PM

9. He did have WMD in 1991.

That's why the inspectors were there...for years.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:28 PM

16. And we still have sick soldiers today from all these other conflicts.

Like that one unit from Iraq that half or more had malignancies. And the soldiers that have served around Fallujah that complained of headaches, stomach upsets, nosebleeds and skin problems. Granted, I do read a lot of gulfwarvets.com, which slants a little toward conspiracy (well, sometimes a lot), but they do have a lot of material at their fingertips about international cases and studies of sicknesses in veterans from every war. And of course I know that Hussein had WMDs. My taxes paid for them. It might also be that every modern war will have it's own "unfriendly fire" killer. With Vietnam, it was Agent Orange. With Desert Storm, it might be the Kamishiyah bombings. In Gulf War II, it may prove to be the toxicity of the high levels of DU. But, google "cancer and illness in Iraq War vets" and you'll hit a goldmine of articles and information. And I remain stubborn. The guys at the top love their DU. They'll throw up a smokescreen to draw blame away from it at all cost. It's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:47 PM

10. But wait

 

Saddam did have WMD during the first Gulf War it is a fact that we blew up the chemical depot

We know Saddam had these WMD we still have the receipts in our file cabinets for them

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:04 PM

13. I agree

Something besides sarin is causing those defects.

I don't doubt that the chemical cloud had negative effects, but something else is causing the problems this time around.

I lost two buddies to Orange one year ago this month, 40-something years after the fact.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:23 PM

15. Depleted Uranium seems to have dropped off the radar.

I remember searching for info many years ago it (that's how I found this site *DU*). I hope they don't drag this out for decades like they did with Agent Orange.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:47 PM

18. I am sorry to hear about your family's suffering...

...due to the cavalier use of these deadly materials. I hope one day justice can be served to those who did this to the Iraqis, the Balkans and our troops.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:59 PM

26. "The common denominator: Depleted Uranium. "

I have read many many reports for years about this, reports from USA and from around the globe.
No doubt in my mind.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:51 PM

27. We have a winner!

Yes, depleted uranium is the common denominator. Read up on it, or look at the horrifically deformed babies born to people in that region, to see what depleted uranium does. It's nightmarish.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:09 PM

14. Uhhhhhh....

duh.

And how about those "burning pits"?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:31 PM

17. My BIL died from a horrible MERSA like illness he picked up at the VA in Phoenix

He landed in the burn unit just before he died.

He was fine on Father's Day ( I saw him) and gone by Labor Day, 2005 or 2006.

It was awful!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:12 PM

19. Just like agent orange

20 years must be the accepted maximum amount of time our government has learned it can sit on a mountain of data about criminal negligence or callous indifference towards our own troops. It took awhile but we finally learned that Monsanto knew and our military commanders knew dioxin was a mutagenic, neurotoxic carcinogen right from the beginning. They went full bore ahead anyway.

Of course they fucking knew the risks of bombing nerve gas sites and god knows what other deadly substances we helped them build. They didn't care. They did it all out and lied because it would blemish their perfect little fix for the Vietnam syndrome... remember?

And now its depleted uranium dust and toxic gases from massive burn pits that will claim the life and future of this latest group of vets. But of course there isn't any real proof of that......

And for what? Somebody give me a reason, a good fucking reason any of these last three wars had to take place or why it was worth destroying the futures of those men lucky enough to survive.

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Response to Bozvotros (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:40 PM

20. And their fix for "Vietnam Syndrome" didn't really work

If it had, they wouldn't have had to lie so much to sucker people into Gulf War II,
they wouldn't have had to rely so heavily on mercenaries,
they wouldn't have had to coerce tv networks into not covering the massive anti-war protests,
etc etc.

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