Judge finds NC ‘Choose Life’ plates unconstitutional

Like this is that hard to understand:

"Brook said the government cannot create an avenue to express one side of a political issue while denying an equal opportunity to citizens with an opposing view."

And quit trying to change my mind. A woman's right to have the last word over what happens to HER body - the ULTIMATE right of sovereignty - is NON-NEGOTIABLE. It is an ABSOLUTE. Just as any man would insist - for issues involving his own body.

and the argument should begin and end with this absolute!

The right to own our own bodies and be THE decision maker concerning it--in present, real time, as a present full person-- is the prime sovereign right.

Other people should not have the right to project "rights" onto a future possibility.

Oh I'm just rambling....
You captured the point perfectly.

That is the problem. We are seen as property with no right to control our bodies. Forcing women to be incubators, while doctors need permission to harvest organs from DEAD people? Outrageous.

Good to have both of you here!

I can't take credit for the idea of "sovereignty over one's own body." That came from an African-American guest on one of the MSNBC shows. I apologize for not remembering his name at the moment. I thought that just absolutely NAILED it in the plainest terms imaginable. I did think of something else, though.

I'm a regular viewer of lots of these shows. Primarily those on MSNBC. Sometimes we see CNN also. And I notice the constant references to the issues most pressing to the Black demographic. To the Latino demographic. The youth demographic. The elder demographic. The gay demographic. They usually get around to mentioning women toward the bottom of that list - when they should really mention the female demographic FIRST! How come? Women are roughly 51% of the population. That means there are legions of Black women, Latinas, young women, elderly women (AND HOW!!!), and gay women. Femaleness transcends ALL those other demographic groups. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. And it seems to me that when you address women's issues, you cover ALL the bases - in ALL the demographic groups.

When I hear the chattering class talking about - "oh, immigration! THAT'S the key for the Latino vote!" "Oh, voter suppression/racism - THAT pissed of the Blacks." "Young people! Student loans! YEAOWWW!" "Seniors! Medicare! And Social Security - YIKES!!!!" Do they not get that women ACROSS THE BOARD have the same concerns, and are under constant CONservative assault - no matter what color, age, or sexual preference they are? WOMEN. Women's issues transcend ALL. One of the chief concerns for women, if not THE chief concern, is health care coverage. It affects their job mobility and other workplace choices. It affects what they have to pay at the pharmacy and the doctor's office or emergency room. It affects their families - their kids, maybe an older parent they're now taking care of. These assholes fought our access to affordable health care, contraceptives, jobs, pay equity, retirement benefits. Many of them are fighting the idea of our physical safety, since they said no to the Violence Against Women Act. Their grandfathers, fathers, and uncles even fought against our having the very right to vote!

Women have always been the slave class - the property class - the lesser half - the least among "equals." Tiresome. DAMN tiresome. Because most of these arguments were settled LONG AGO. And these bastards keep bringing 'em back, hoping to roll back the clock.

We have a lot of work to do. We need you guys.

Great News!

I have a vanity tag that says Choice in Polish. No one here can read Polish. I didn't say what it meant to the license bureau

I wonder if this ruling will affect that possibility.

It's a US court, not circuit or state but I'm not sure how this works legally-speaking in other states.

as an individual citizen.

These are an official STATE design, with no alternate "pro-choice" state design:



It was clearly un-Constitutional when passed by the state legislature. Any bone-head could see that. They just didn't care.

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/06/08/north-carolina-house-approves-choose-life-license-plates/

It's more colourful than the one we have now. But come to think of it, I think the present one is just fine. Easier for people to read and it uses the standard NC plate design.




IMO all NC special plates should look like the standard issue plate. It would help law enforcement officers (especially outside of NC) from recognizing a North Carolina registered vehicle. The vast majority of specialized plates do look like standard issue plates, save for the logo and the suffix at the end. It's only more recently the more colourful designs have come out, save for the NASCAR specials. I might make an exception for NASCAR since I think it's the state sport (if not official it should be!).

At least NC doesn't allow mistakes like Virginia...



Or do we?



Well, we make up for it with this one:

Hee.

"Eat shit."

Double hee.

I'm pretty sure I saw the "Bushlies" plate at some point driving around here.

No idea - I'm sure they'll take it all the way up if they feel they need to. But I'm glad this stupid one-sidedness has been at least temporarily stopped.

Glad you're here! We need you! Stay vigilant! Obviously these assholes won't give up OR go away. So we have to stay awake and stay aware - and ready to head off whatever shit they try to pull.

should issue euthanasia plates for the population in Florida, or Happy Trip to LaBrea plates.

Euthanasia for Floridians?

Or did you intend ?

and found it legal?

I get so sick of those things.

Glad you're with us! Probably will have to assert this in ALL the states, considering how relentless this enemy is.

Not gonna happen though.

Just when you think the world is irretrievably broken - along comes someone who makes a difference.

The judge didn't rule the plates unconstitutional.

He ruled the plates unconstitutional without a legal option for the pro-choice vehicle owners.

The "Choose Life" plates are unconstitutional if an alternative plate is not available.
That alternative plate is not available.

Therefore the "Choose Life" plates are unconstitutional.


Seems to me that the headline is correct as written. It doesn't tell the whole story perhaps, but thankfully there's a longer article attached to the headline.

I think you need to proofread.

Er. I mean...

Anyway, the point stands, once I correct the typo.

"However, officials say the legislature repeatedly refused to authorize a plate that supported the countervailing position in favor of reproductive freedom.
Six amendments were proposed in the legislature to authorize an additional new plate that stated either, “Trust Women. Respect Choice,” or simply “Respect Choice.” The legislature rejected all six amendments."

I mean, really? You can cover the rest of your damn car in bumper stickers if you need to make a statement.

The money goes to conservation efforts there. Same for the coastal plates. I don't know how that works for the university and college plates, and the rest of them.

I never put any stickers at all on my car. Ever. I can't afford new tires or a paint job.

... here in Indiana we have all kinds of 'specialty cause' plates (conserv and lib) - and the money supposedly goes to those orgs but, knowing Indiana government, I'd be surprised if it really did.

I guess I'd rather have plates be plates and if I want to donate to an org, I'll do that and/or have my cruiser wear a bumper sticker.

Just plain plates - the State and the number.

When it becomes available I'm seriously considering getting one.

in addition to what you pay for a regular plate.

I think all of the license plates in a particular state should look the same. That would make it easier for the license plate to do what it is meant to do - identify the vehicle.

The rest of your car is yours to do with as you see fit. Hell, stick a thousand bumper stickers on it if you want to. Knock yourself out! But the license plate and inspection sticker should be uniform IMHO.

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/docs/NC_Choose_Life_Ruling_121012.pdf

hattip:
Judge rules NC 'Choose Life' plate unconstitutional
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8914763

Glad you're here. Maybe his rotted carcass will spin itself silly.

this in OH as well? Please!

Otherwise I want one 'Yes on Assisted Suicide.' But then I hate pain and have very little patience.

http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/specialtytags/

I see a "Choose Life", but nothing supporting a woman's right to choose.

A family at the school where I used to work had this sticker. EVERYONE appalled them on this. These MORONS seem to think that if you have given birth, no matter how many times, you are ANTI CHOICE and believe everyone MUST choose the same? Until they can understand this, they are DOOMED to lose.

You had appalled in your post. Another case of autocorrect strikes again?

you don't like?

it doesn't make sense

I am sorry, but I don't understand - did everyone "applaud" them, or was everyone "appalled by" them?

No hostility - just genuine confusion, and now I want to know!

As the Mom told everyone, we CHOSE to have 4 kids. We don't believe in FORCING anyone else to have 4, 10, 1, etc., kids if they themselves don't want to.

I kept the "Stars Fall On Alabama" one, stupid as that fucking slogan is, because I didn't want the religious one.

As they specifically had the word "Choose" in them.

Government.

Because I don't think this will be the last time the Republican Elect-Governor and Republican Legislature will get sued in North Carolina. They will do more crazy things before they come up for re-election. After years of Democrats ruling, North Carolina will not be use to rightwing rule.

heh

But then again, he attended the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, a bastion of liberalism.

....amazing! Wonders never cease!! Ohhh... source is FOX? Oops! I bet you they are all over their namesake Judge James C. Fox about his decision in this First Amendment case.

Well, all I can say for Judge Cox is WAY TO GO!

"support the death penalty".

I've never met a "pro-lifer" who didn't argue vehemently for liberal use of the electric chair. Most even go so far as to complain the killing is too humane for their liking.

On edit:
If they want this license plate, there should be a requirement that the driver has to have at least one adopted child.

don't usually support the death penalty, at least that's my experience.

I challenged my Super "Pro-life" cousin on this, and he said "that's different - I'm talking about innocent life." When I reminded him that the pope is very strongly anti-death penalty, he said the pope didn't understand out culture.

So:
Sex -> listen to the pope!
Death penalty -> don't listen to the pope!

Our Fox-watching former pastor, who was a friend of my Dad's, also strongly supports the death penalty, in spite of the Vatican's views on the subject.

Fox>Vatican.

Even my more politically moderate Catholic friends are pro death penalty. The only Catholics I know who are against it are old-timey 60s liberals who are still hanging in there with the church.

I am proud to say that one came out of my tiny brain the other day...the keep Christ in Christmas stuff drives me bonkers...

that by the end of the week the fundamentalists will design a Pro-Choice plate. By the end of the month they'll have the 25,000 signatures they need to get the plate approved, which the NC General Assembly will do on an emergency basis.

If the choices are to aid and abet the enemy, or to quit cramming their religion down people's throats, they'll be some aiding-and-abetting mother fuckers.

Hey i grew up in the 80's!

Are these the same stupid choose life plates that are written in crayon? Seriously.

We have them in Georgia, but not sure if its the same design from state to state.

The site in Georgia shows little kids holding anti abortion signs. It reminds me of the countries that hide weapons at hospitals, schools and homes so the military dictatorship leaders stay out of the spotlight.

sentiment, or ANY political sentiment, belongs on a license plate.

If you want to express your opinion, get a bumper sticker.

I wouldn't have a problem if they also sold plates with pro-choice slogans.