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Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:43 AM

Robert F. Kennedy Jr: Fox News Has Divided Country In A Way Not Seen Since Civil War

Source: Huffington Post

Robert F. Kennedy Jr told HuffPost Live host Josh Zepps in an interview Friday that he believes conservative media outlets such as Fox News are damaging the country.

Asked how he thought things have changed in the political landscape, Kennedy pointed to "big money" and "the right wing control of the American media, starting with Fox News" as hurtful to collaboration between differing political interests.

"Twenty-two percent of Americans say their primary news source is Fox News," Kennedy told HuffPost Live. "It's divided our country in a way that we haven't been divided probably since the Civil War, and its empowered large corporations to get certain kinds of politicians and ideologues who are in the United State Congress elected -- the Tea Party ideologues who control the Republican Party."

Kennedy, who is the nephew of John F. Kennedy and Ted Kennedy and attorney specializing in environmental law, also spoke about the hydraulic fracturing -- or fracking -- and the health risks and associated costs the practice represents for the country.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/07/robert-f-kennedy-jr-fox-news_n_2261043.html

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Reply Robert F. Kennedy Jr: Fox News Has Divided Country In A Way Not Seen Since Civil War (Original post)
Adenoid_Hynkel Dec 2012 OP
Scuba Dec 2012 #1
truebluegreen Dec 2012 #17
Scuba Dec 2012 #26
plethoro Dec 2012 #28
truebluegreen Dec 2012 #30
liberalmike27 Dec 2012 #42
Still Blue in PDX Dec 2012 #57
classof56 Dec 2012 #73
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #59
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #68
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DBoon Dec 2012 #74
dreamnightwind Dec 2012 #90
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Scuba Dec 2012 #62
truebluegreen Dec 2012 #76
love_katz Dec 2012 #94
truebluegreen Dec 2012 #106
iemitsu Dec 2012 #51
Scuba Dec 2012 #60
iemitsu Dec 2012 #67
love_katz Dec 2012 #95
iemitsu Dec 2012 #101
pnwmom Dec 2012 #88
Scuba Dec 2012 #99
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RKP5637 Dec 2012 #2
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RKP5637 Dec 2012 #25
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GatorLarry Dec 2012 #72
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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:45 AM

1. He must be a highly perceptive man with great deductive reasoning skills.

Or not.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:02 AM

17. ???

What was that about?

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:27 AM

26. Lame attempt at sarcasm. Anybody and everybody can see what he's describing.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:31 AM

28. It wasn't a lame attempt. I got it right away. nft

 

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Response to plethoro (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:32 AM

30. My bad.

RFK Jr. is one of my heroes.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:49 PM

42. Fairness Doctrine

FOX was created because of an earlier decision in 1987, to repeal the Fairness Doctrine. You once had to watch an hour of one guy, with an hour of another, one conservative, the other liberal. Better, most of the time they were both on at the same time, exchanging ideas.

This kept people from being able to watch just one, or the other. Everyone at least got whatever was considered liberal and conservative, no matter which station they watched.

Now, with the repeal of the need for the rich-man's media to bother with fairness, it allowed Rush, and FOX to spring up, Demons from the Earth in the late 1980s, early 1990s. In fact, with FOX leading the right-wing push, the rest of the networks pretty much followed, throughout the 1990s, into the 2000s, when finally ONE guy came on MSNBC, Keith Olbermann. They followed that model, and mopped up people like me, people who had completely abandoned the ridiculous right.

They paraded on one person after another to call the media "liberal." Then they proceeded to put on the most vacuous, bilious stuff, the most right-wing ideas, with no one there to counter their myth that they were liberal, or the positions presented by this new right-wing corporate media.

If we ever want to fix our media, it's going to involve some sort of attempt at righting this divide. Commercial radio still has roughly 97 percent right-wing talk, and liberals are still regularly being removed, or having sports substituted, even when they are getting good ratings, and on markets where sports stations already abound.

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Response to liberalmike27 (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 02:01 PM

57. Thanks for reminding me . . .

I need to go back to KBOO to get my fix of progressive radio since KPOJ was murdered here in Portland. Now I feel bad that I abandoned them when Air America first came to town.

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Response to Still Blue in PDX (Reply #57)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:50 PM

73. I have been listening to 760AM-Denver and 92.1 Madison WI since KPOJ left us high and dry

Denver's where I grew up, so lots of street names, etc., are familiar, though I probably couldn't find them if I went back there. I hear Ed, Thom and Randi, but Lord, how I miss Carl and the local news from what Lars calls Havana on the Willamette. Can't believe Lars he has an audience--would have thought better of PDX listeners. KPOJ recently sent me an e-mail, in response to which I promptly ordered them to unsubscribe me. Thanks for the KBOO rec. I'll give 'em a go!

I appreciated Carl's post on Blue Oregon the other day. Again--Lord, how I miss him! He is so intelligent and well-informed. Mornings are pretty empty without him!

Tired Old Cynic

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Response to liberalmike27 (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 02:10 PM

59. Reagan, of course, was the president in 1987.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #59)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:16 PM

68. President in name only as, by 1987, according to several sources, Reagan

 

was already suffering the onset of Alzheimer's. (Lawrence Walsh apparently declined to indict or prosecute Reagan for Iran Contra after Walsh interviewed him and realized what was happening.)

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #68)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:27 PM

69. Very true. Howard Baker was really the President. eom

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #68)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:08 PM

75. It might have started in 1962.

 

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Response to liberalmike27 (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:06 PM

74. and Keith was on Comedy Central

Not a major network or news station

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Response to DBoon (Reply #74)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:05 AM

90. Actually he was on MS-NBC

not Comedy Central. But the larger point is correct, they don't let true left-wing views on the major networks, except to mock or discredit them. Ed Asner and Phil Donahue learned this the hard way.

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Response to liberalmike27 (Reply #42)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:28 AM

86. The Fairness Doctrine was, at best, a red herring

In fact it may have given conservatism a leg-up in the 1970s, guaranteeing the public was exposed to ideas that would have embarrassed people in most situations as too outmoded or backwards.

The real downfall of media policy in this country was the lifting of ownership restrictions and walking away from community service standards. The Clinton-era deregulation, on top of that from the Regan era, set the stage for merger-mania (corporate centralization) and the rise of broadcast and news monopolies in rural, Midwestern and Southern markets.


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Response to liberalmike27 (Reply #42)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:17 AM

107. So true.

 

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 02:18 PM

62. No problem. Yes, RFK jr is to be admired, as was his father.

RFK's assassination was the tipping point in my political understanding. I was raised in a far-right wing family but was secretly idolizing the Kennedy's. I was 15 when JFK was killed and believed the "lone gunman" line.

In 1968 it all changed.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #62)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:43 PM

76. I remember it well...

I'm younger, but my earliest political memory was staying up "late" to watch election returns in 1960, in fear that Nixon would win.

JFK's assassination was a staggering blow, as was MLK Jr, but it seemed like the lights went out for good when RFK was murdered. It feels like we've been fighting a defensive action ever since.



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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #76)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:48 AM

94. That is exactly how it has felt.

Your statement: "it seemed like the lights went out for good when RFK was murdered."

It seems like we haven't just been fighting a defensive action ever since...too often it has been fighting a losing battle, since then.

I know...that is sounds too pessimistic...but it seems we take one step forward, and two steps back...at least too many times, for my taste.

I became extremely angry when Ronnie Raygun was elected (?) in 1980. I can remember being outraged when the t.v. stations were calling the election for him before the West coast polls had even closed, and many people out here had not voted yet. Then I re-read Jerry Manders' "Four Arguments For the Elimination of Television", and I decided to stop watching t.v., and got rid of my set.

However, it was during Jimmy Carter's presidency that the Wrong Wing Fundy Whackjobs really ramped up. They had been itching to roll back the gains made during the late 1960's to early 1970's. I, along with many others, knew right from the beginning what their REAL agenda actually was. But, we didn't have the money we would've needed to get our side of the issues onto the media so it could be heard and the evil of the other side exposed.

When Ronnie Raygun got into power...that is when we really stepped onto the slippery slope. And things really went downhill, from there.

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Response to love_katz (Reply #94)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:01 AM

106. I was in Europe that fall of 1980, watching the campaign,

and people would ask me what I thought of ol' Ronnie. I remember I said that he'd been around for years and nobody I knew ever took him seriously.

It would have been better to say no one SHOULD take him seriously. "Morning in America", voodoo economics, "the scariest words in the English language," what a pile of ....

In my mind no single person has been more destructive of the good things this country had or could do than Saint Ronnie of Raygun. If I believed in hell I'd hope he was there.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:32 PM

51. 22% of Americans can't see what he's describing

or they wouldn't tune into Fox for their news.
I did not know that the number of Fox bots was so high but I should have. Where else would the half of republicans who believe the birther, commie, socialist, fascist baloney about the President get that idea?
The situation is dangerous too. And medieval.
A modern democracy can't survive if a quarter of the adults are so misinformed.
We need to establish a prevarication tax. For every lie or half truth spewed on the air the responsible group ought to pay enough for honest Americans to repair the damage.
If we could do such a thing it would not be just Fox news that ended up paying. All of the television and radio media (well most) are culpable.
If any of the, so called, main stream media wanted to avoid the tax they would have to identify, for the public, the misinformation being promoted by Fox and other purveyors of propaganda .
My personal belief is that, if the MSM worked to inform the public, rather than legitimizing Fox and republican lies, that fewer people would be fooled by the right wing propaganda.

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Response to iemitsu (Reply #51)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 02:12 PM

60. Good response, thanks. You know, Fox can't do this alone. Most of the media is complicit ...

... in this mass media manipulation. Simply repeating what is said is not journalism, but that's what most of the major media outlets do. Ergo the lies are seen to be as credible as the truth.

Fairness doctrine needs to be restored and consolidation of media ownership needs to be reversed. Break up the big conglomerates and make sure the internet stays open, keeping the price of entry low.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #60)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:31 PM

67. Yes, to all you say.

Propaganda is an art and those in power have perfected its usage.
Since the media is "free and liberal" and our national identity intimately connected to the idea that the press is the watchdog of democracy (Peter Zenger), using main stream media personalities, as the primary vehicle for the dissemination of state propaganda, has been hugely successful in convincing most in the US to buy the government line.
American pundits are not journalists they are state agents (some literally as CIA). Most Americans passively receive their news in front of the television from familiar faces believed to be honest. All the news outlets are corporate controlled and therefore all voice the same perspective when describing events.
The propaganda is reinforced.
Since Fox News is not condemned by the trusted media it is seen as a legitimate source of information.
Left wing perspective is not legitimized in this way.

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Response to iemitsu (Reply #67)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:54 AM

95. Someone once posted...

that at least the Russians knew that Provda was propganda, and reacted to any broadcasts from them accordingly.

I wish more people would see that our airwaves have been sold off to the wealthy for the purpose of spewing propaganda.

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Response to love_katz (Reply #95)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:45 AM

101. Hear, hear.

I wish that were so too. If we all recognized that our media was the voice of our oppressors we would better understand what they say.
When I watch television news I see millionaires laughing at us as they twist the truth to legitimatize the ugly behaviors of the uber-classes. I hate Diane Sawyer the most. I can barely keep from spitting every time I see her creepy smile.
Years ago I discovered that what was being said on the nightly news, I had read about three days earlier on DU. Often, I had had the opportunity to read several articles about the topic and digest the ideas and comments of DUers on related threads. I had time to think about what was being reported and make sense of things before I saw the story on television. Therefore, I would notice how the personality relating the "news' was interpreting the story for the audience, which aspects of the event were being emphasized and which were being buried.
Actually my 85 year old mother-in-law, who doesn't read DU and who barely reads English, has noticed the same thing about the news. She sees the stories being reported on the evening news three days earlier on her computer. She laughs about it.
Maybe others are discovering the same thing?

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Response to Scuba (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:52 AM

88. Why the lame attempt at putting him down? Fox viewers can't see what he's describing,

and neither can millions of others who don't follow news or politics very closely.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #88)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:49 AM

99. It was definately NOT an attempt to "put him down" , but to ...

... make the point that Fox's bias is so obvious that anyone can see it. Good on RFK jr for speaking up, which so many are unwilling to do.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #99)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:35 AM

100. Unfortunately, millions of Fox followers aren't smart enough to see it.

So I agree with you that it's good when higher profile people speak up.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #100)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:17 AM

102. I think many of Fox's viewers know they're being used, but they're more comfortable ...

... with that than they are with re-examining their personal beliefs with an open mind.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:47 AM

2. Yep, and Rupert Murdoch is working to buy up more media outlets in the US so he can

spew more RW propaganda. If there were a psychiatrist for countries, the US is woefully in need of one. As the propaganda bends, so does the country.


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Response to dawn frenzy adams (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:27 AM

25. You should also post this, I think, as an OP for visibility if not already done. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:10 AM

19. And Obama's FCC is getting ready to help.

Anyone the least bit surprised?

MORE Media Consolidation on the Table before Christmas
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021896902

Moyers: FCC moves toward more media consolidation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021924578

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:23 AM

24. In the big picture, no, I'm not surprised. It's just another WTF moment in my life of

which I sadly have many.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:28 PM

37. First I've heard of this; thanks for passing it on.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:13 PM

72. It's mostly the same . . .

Regardless of a Democrat Administration or a Republican Administration, the agencies give favorable rulings to the industries they regulate and then, like magic, the Director or Assistant Director will "retire" from their "public service" and take a job with someone he/she gave a sweetheart ruling to just a few months prior.

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Response to GatorLarry (Reply #72)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:14 PM

78. Please use the correct adjective to describe our party.

It's "Democratic" Administration.

Words matter.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:31 AM

27. What happened to anti trust laws? Nt

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:36 AM

32. Amazing, isn't it ... we now seem to be a country that embraces monopolies and stifles

individuals. Another example, Walmart. And one day it will be the Koch Brothers, declaring they have monopolized the US and are now the rightful owners of the country.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:37 PM

38. I imagine Bain Clear Channel may have some more outlets for sale soon

harvest time you know

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:39 PM

39. And We Continue To Wait For A Challenger!

When will an enlightened money man from the left rise up to buy sizeable portion of the media to challenge Murdoch empire. We cannot rely on corporate controlled MSNBC to do the job for too long.

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Response to mazzarro (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:51 PM

44. If we continue to allow them to buy up media and broadcast propaganda then frankly

all is lost IMO. Countries are often controlled through propaganda. The right knows how to take over an entire country, bit by bit and IMO the left willingly allows this to happen. I often think the left is not a collective of the brightest tools in the tool shed when it comes to controlling the message to the masses.


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Response to mazzarro (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 02:45 PM

64. Won't happen.

After seeing how Air America self destructed, it's clear that nobody on the left will try again.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:09 AM

3. Point well taken, but don't forget Rush.

He's the seething cyst of hatred that was the catalyst for all of this. Twenty years ago, I was sounding the alarm about that guy. By the mid-90s, most that I knew agreed - he made hatred and dismissing of those with whom you disagreed just fine for the right wing.

Fox has taken it to another level, but it's Rush who was the instigator.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:20 AM

23. ABC and the Rise of Rush Limbaugh

CIA played a major role in the ascension of the right via media.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-libmedia.htm

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:40 AM

34. It started with Rev Moon, the Korean cult leader and longtime crony (since the 60s) of GHWBush.

Then Rupert Murdoch the Australian extortionist was tapped to expand his empire into the US media market, with the serial child rapist Rush Limbaugh dominating broadcast radio.

New World Order media targeted the rightwing brain for exploitation and now those same people who used to warn about NWO are its leading protectors in service to their corporate masters. That couldn't have happened without Moon, Murdoch and Limbaugh crafting the GOP's pro-NWO talking points in ways to attract these voters and mislead them into betraying their own country.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:24 PM

36. Some people because of their behavior becom history's villans. Rush is one.

May he never have a peaceful night of sleep and may he never find oxy.

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