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Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:48 AM

Doha climate talks: US faces dilemma over final text

Source: BBC News

8 December 2012 Last updated at 02:35 ET
Doha climate talks: US faces dilemma over final text
By Roger Harrabin
BBC Environment analyst, Doha, Qatar

There has been a historic shift in the UN climate talks in Qatar, with the prospect of rich nations having to compensate poor nations for losses due to climate change.

The US has fiercely opposed the measure - it says the cost could be unlimited.

But after angry tussles throughout the night the principle of Loss and Damage is now in the final negotiating text.

Small island states at risk from inundation say they will walk out if the US vetoes the proposed deal.

The political stakes are high. The EU's position is not yet well defined, but soundings suggest that it can live with the text.


Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20650534

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:56 AM

1. "Fuck you, I've got mine" - Makes me proud to be Murikan!

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Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:12 AM

2. Our lifestyle has ruined your climate, ...

But so what, we brought you our capitalist freedom. Enjoy your next 50+ years. Oh and tell your children, it is OK now to have as many babies as they want, they won't live out a full life anyway.

Other species, tough luck, you must follow the path the most advanced specie on the planet has chosen for you, migration, extinction for many, but hey when the going gets tough, the tough get going, adapt man, mutli task to your next hunting ground. And humans, don't forget your charger!

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Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:59 AM

3. well

in the end, big oil knows that it will have to pay for helping to destroy this planet, big time. You can't tell me that big oil did not have scientific studies, long ago, that foretold of the damage of carbon emissions from their dirty product to our atmosphere. Big oil will never allow america to do the right thing. We americans depend on our personal transportation in a way that we will never give up. To start saving our planet civilized nations would have to move to mass transit, soon, big time. Only emergency vehicles would be driven. If the railroads can move tonnage in the most efficient manner, then do it! I know that the logistics of such a shift would be huge, yet something has to be done and soon. Please forgive my musings, just a little personal brainstorming on a huge problem for all of us. Small changes are going to help, hybrids ect. Yet it is not enough. Every form of personal transportation has to be electric. Yes to generate electricity some form of 'dirty' fuel must be used, yet it just seems to this layman that it would be sustainable if we REALLY went electric, all over the whole world. I'm a dreamer, I know. Just sad at the damage we have done to mother earth. Yes I've called our nurturing planet this for decades. How much longer will she nurture us?


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Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:14 PM

4. Meanwhile Back at the Ranch....

 


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Some of them were dreamers and some of them were fools Who were making plans and thinking of the future With the energy of the innocent, they were gathering the tools They would need to make their journey, back to nature

While the sand slipped through the opening And their hands reached for the golden ring With their hearts they turned to each other's hearts for refuge In the troubled years that came before the deluge

Some of them knew pleasure and some of them knew pain And for some of them it was only the moment that mattered And on the brave and crazy wings of youth They went flyin' around in the rain And their feathers, once so fine, grew torn and tattered

And in the end, they traded their tired wings For the resignation that living brings And exchanged love's bright and fragile glow For the glitter and the rouge And in a moment they were swept before the deluge

Now let the music keep our spirits high And let the buildings keep our children dry Let creation reveal its secrets by and by, by and by When the light that's lost within us, reaches the sky

Some of them were angry at the way the earth was abused By the men who learned how to forge her beauty into power And they struggled to protect her from them, only to be confused By the magnitude of the fury in the final hour

And when the sand was gone and the time arrived In the naked dawn, only a few survived And in attempts to understand a thing so simple and so huge Believed that they were meant to live, after the deluge

Now let the music keep our spirits high And let the buildings keep our children dry Let creation reveal its secrets by and by, by and by When the light that's lost within us, reaches the sky

-Jackson Browne, "Before the Deluge"

2016: Earth's Thermal Runaway FailSafe Point is Reached
(Dr. James Hansen: The last chance to lower Earth's atmospheric CO2 content to 350ppm)
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Otherwise:
2030: Human Species Extinction Begins
(Dr. Guy McPherson: "The Big Die-Off")

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