Clinton fears efforts to 're-Sovietize' in Europe
Source: Associated Press
DUBLIN (AP) U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton warned Thursday about a new effort by oppressive governments to "re-Sovietize" much of Eastern Europe and Central Asia, taking particular aim at Russia for its crackdown on democracy and human rights groups just hours ahead of critical talks with that country's foreign minister.
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"There is a move to re-Sovietize the region," Clinton lamented.
"It's not going to be called that. It's going to be called customs union, it will be called Eurasian Union and all of that," she said, referring to Russian-led efforts for greater regional integration. "But let's make no mistake about it. We know what the goal is and we are trying to figure out effective ways to slow down or prevent it."
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Clinton said there is a concerted effort to eliminate both American and international assistance for human rights advocates.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-fears-efforts-sovietize-europe-111645250--politics.html
Is this 1952 or 2012? "Liberal internationalism" = neo-conservatism = McCarthyism.
Mass
(27,315 posts)The US certainly cannot tolerate some other country, entity becomes the leading actor and influence in some part of the world (:sarcasm , but the term "soviet" refers to something very precise and it is certainly not happening.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)independent states.
Moreover, these are very much the same states that formed the USSR. The Kremlin is trying to get the band back together again.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)malthaussen
(17,193 posts)... the USSR IS Public Enemy Number 1!
-- Mal
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)Any attempt to recreate it would be just awful.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)If she would look back over her shoulder towards, say, the state of Michigan, she might be alarmed. Or if she looked towards NYC, she might see something happening there as per education. Does she need to look in her own background?
David__77
(23,372 posts)You had Bush administration people talking about the rights to collective bargaining and right to form unions in Iraq (under the occupation), and yet of course waged a war against unions at home.
But, it is true that from Dulles to Kissenger to Clinton, the position of secretary of state has been to try to conduct cold, geopolitical power plays to serve US domination. Some of us might hope for a new politics and more humble and peaceful foreign policy.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)Nationalized health care, infrastructure spending, adequate housing for the poor. I remember reading Bush's plan for a post-Castro Cuba. It sounded like the second coming of the New Deal.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Domestic policy is not in her portfolio.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Pure of heart, old Pooty Poot is.
I mean, when has Russia ever engaged in such behavior, other than always?
David__77
(23,372 posts)His project was always to oppose contemporary "Sovietization" in Europe, and, laughably, "Cubanization" in Latin America. NATO, of course, in the view of Bolton and Clinton, is not an institution of domination.
What's interesting here is that Clinton is opposing economic and not political integration. She consciously sees Eurasian economic development as a THREAT to US national interests if it occurs outside the US-led framework. This has nothing to do with "human rights" or ideology in any normal sense. Saudi Arabia is great, Russia is bad...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It collectively exercises power against non-members and that can be described as domination, but it does not exist to allow the US to dominate Germany the UK and Turkey.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)She represents the president and this is US policy. Besides, who in Eastern Europe wants to return to the way things were when they were under the domination of the Soviet Union?
David__77
(23,372 posts)That is why this McCarthyite meme of "re-Sovietization" is especially preposterous.
You give Clinton too little credit - she does not merely function as adjunct of the will of the executive.
She has demonstrated a harsh, ideologically dogmatic diplomacy, and I'm hopeful that a replacement will be selected that is more collegial and restrained in diplomatic pronouncements.
I do wish her a good retirement.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Daniel537
(1,560 posts)Are you seriously saying the Soviet Union is coming back into existence? Politics makes people so delusional.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Hasn't wavered narily an inch from that focused vision of the world and choice of partners. Pay to play. Not even 9/11 could shake that partnership bound by control over the world's wealth and oil.
reminds me of the Roman Empire. We have a presence in every country in the World except five. Compare this to those in our Government claiming we are spending too much on Social Security and Medicare versus our military spending in the name of U.S. interests. Is our interests, to maintain our empire? I suggest we cut the spending to maintain our empire. We still have maintained over 50 thousand troops in Germany. Why do we have that many troops in Germany? And what about South Korea? We even maintain a sizable force in Britain and Japan after World War II. Think about it, military presence in over 130 nations versus Social Security and Medicare expenditures. Lets talk about that spending. Congress don't want to go there. And they claim we are going broke? And what about that new defense system to protect Israel? Now we are defending Turkey? How does this spending defend the U.S.? Isn't that what Ran Paul claimed?
Politicub
(12,165 posts)It would be a tragedy for the independent states to get put back under Russia rule.
I would think one of the first voluntary states to join a reconstituted union would be Hungary based on the politics there as of late.
I have a feeling that this isn't going to go away, and I trust Clinton's judgement.
David__77
(23,372 posts)The Hungarian Socialist Party is the only thing remotely "pro-Russian." And the extreme right-wing anti-Semites are extra anti-Russian due to their intense anti-Communism (they see communism as a "Jewish conspiracy" just like Hitler did).
Politicub
(12,165 posts)geopolitics. Hard to have an intelligent conversation without knowing what's what.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)Daniel537
(1,560 posts)Always happy to educate the ill-informed.
JVS
(61,935 posts)give some tips on resovietizing. Wouldn't want them to do a shoddy job of it, after all.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)It's good for the stockholders.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)When Condi Rice was saying shit like this she was rightfully ridiculed, but apparently if somebody in our Party says it the threat must be real. Please. Politicians are always looking for a reason to scare people. Its what they do best.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)he installed himself as the ruler of russia and jailing anyone who dares object.
What do you propose? Operation Moscow Storm?
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)The NeoCons must REALLY be loving current US foreign policy.
Come on team! You can do this. Just run UP the field, not crosswise or backwards!
SamKnause
(13,101 posts)Her hypocrisy is sickening.
Get your own house in order Hillary !!!
pampango
(24,692 posts)Woodrow Wilson. Don't allow a perversion of it as practiced by neo-cons to destroy a very liberal tradition.
Conservatives are much more isolationistic than liberals and always have been. Conservatives blocked US participation in the League of Nations and many want us to withdraw from the UN and many other international organization and avoid international commitments.
The countries mentioned in the story are Russia, Belarus and Turkmenistan not exactly paragons of democracy and concern for human rights, but to call it a re-Sovietization seems like a stretch. There are forces in every country that seek to rule without consent of the governed. Each country's citizens have to struggle against the plutocracy in their own country. Nothing is given by those with power without struggle.
David__77
(23,372 posts)However, I was honestly surprised by the wording here. I know that certain neo-conservative forces had a little affinity for her, but thought and think that's mainly a one-way street - they hope she would become a modern Scoop Jackson. Here, she sounded the part.
The global projection of ideology under the signboard of "socialism" by the old Soviet Union or the signboard of "democracy" by the US now strikes me as innately cynical. Is it really too much to ask that a state, a country, articulate basic, openly-stated principles for international relations and then stick to them consistently?
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)the Clintons are very center-right .. and now she's sounding like the neo-cons .. give me a break. We need someone very progressive in the White House .. not someone who genuflects to the military industrial complex.
David__77
(23,372 posts)But I also do not think she will run for that. I would prefer her take the advice from Bloomberg and run for NYC mayor. I prefer her in the domestic realm.
John2
(2,730 posts)that thinks like Bernie Sanders?
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)- Excuse me!?!?! Frying pan meet skillet.