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Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:53 PM

Syracuse smashes record, reaches 70 degrees

Source: CNY Central

SYRACUSE -- At 1:36 this afternoon, the thermometer at Syracuse Hancock Airport hit 70 degrees setting a new record high for this date. The old record was a measly 68 degrees which had been set in 1968.

As a matter of fact, the last time Syracuse reached 70 degrees in December was back on December 6th 2001, 11 years ago when it hit 72 degrees.

Of more historic proportions, consider this. Today was only the fourth time in Syracuse weather history, dating back to 1902 (110 years) that Syracuse has reached 70 degrees in the month of December! Syracuse is not the only location in upstate to see a new record high temperature today. Watertown up north broke their old record of 63 degrees which was set in 1982, and as of this writing had reached 68 degrees.

http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=833186#.UL62VIOZnoI

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Reply Syracuse smashes record, reaches 70 degrees (Original post)
ejbr Dec 2012 OP
lindysalsagal Dec 2012 #1
thesquanderer Dec 2012 #16
NickB79 Dec 2012 #19
thesquanderer Dec 2012 #21
aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #2
Bigredhunk Dec 2012 #8
murielm99 Dec 2012 #10
Sedona Dec 2012 #3
ejbr Dec 2012 #4
connecticut yankee Dec 2012 #5
MgtPA Dec 2012 #9
texshelters Dec 2012 #6
49jim Dec 2012 #7
lindysalsagal Dec 2012 #27
msongs Dec 2012 #11
NickB79 Dec 2012 #18
eilen Dec 2012 #12
AllyCat Dec 2012 #13
ReRe Dec 2012 #14
HeavenTim Dec 2012 #15
lonestarnot Dec 2012 #17
Octafish Dec 2012 #20
lonestarnot Dec 2012 #22
Octafish Dec 2012 #23
lonestarnot Dec 2012 #24
Liberalynn Dec 2012 #25
sofa king Dec 2012 #26

Response to ejbr (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:55 PM

1. And I was only 8 years old, so I don't even remember it!!!

But there's no global warming, nu-uh.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:56 AM

16. Individual hot days are poor evidence of global warming

The important evidence is elsewhere.

There have been individual hot days before. (As the OP said, there have been 70+ degree days in December in Syracuse in the past, 11 years ago and longer.)

And global warming is predicting a much more modest change... a few degrees over decades. So a day that is 30 degrees above normal is exceptional even by global warming expectations.

It is consistent with global warming in that weather events may become more extreme, so I'm not saying there can't be a link. But if you use individual hot days to "prove" global warming is real, the argument is weak... just as the very real possibility that Syracuse may have a record cold day in the future would be a weak argument for dismissing global warming.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:13 PM

19. "global warming is predicting a much more modest change....a few degrees over decades"

That's the AVERAGE amount of warming over an entire average year (4-6C by 2100 is looking more and more likely), not the expected amount of warming on any given day.

It would be like trying to get out of a speeding ticket by telling a cop you were "only" driving a few miles over average for the entire trip when he caught you doing 80 in a 55 for just a couple of minutes.

A spike of 10-20F above normal for extended periods of the year is actually well within what is expected of predicted global warming. This past summer showed that pretty conclusively, with many states holding 100F daytime highs for weeks or even months at a time.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:15 PM

21. I think we are agreed

A single record high day is not something to tout as evidence. Any more than a single record cold--and there probably will will be some this century--would be reason to deny warming.

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:56 PM

2. Last year in Indiana, the winter was so warm it was scary.


This year so far in December it has been in the 60s just about everyday. It has yet to snow in Indianapolis even once.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:38 PM

8. Same Goes For Us In Iowa

Scary thing is, I think people want it like this...even if global warming is to blame. It's unbelievable how many people say, "ISN'T THIS GREAT!!??" Uh, no moron. It's not great. It's supposed to be cold now. People are so obsessed with warm weather...they hate the cold so much...they totally don't care if the planet melts. Just as long as we're warm and toasty all the time.

I loathe midwestern summers with a passion (hot, humid as hell). I put up with them, as miserable as they are...I figure it's the price you pay for a beautiful, crisp fall and a cold winter. I guess now it can just be warm all the damn time instead.

Last winter sucked. This winter is looking the same. No more snow. No more cold.

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Response to Bigredhunk (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:02 PM

10. People in Iowa should know better.

It is farm country. It is farm country where I live, too. This is very bad for agriculture.

Yesterday, at my home in Northern Illinois, a tornado passed right over my house. It did not touch down, but I knew something weird and scary was going on with the weather. The entire house shook. Also, it was 72 degrees!

I have a weather radio. It did not surprise me when it began warbling a tornado warning and told me to take cover immediately. Two of my adult children called also, within minutes of the warning.

This is not right. Last winter was too warm as well. I don't recall if we had tornado warnings, but this is not right.

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:58 PM

3. Crickets still chirping in Sedona AZ, Elevation 4500 ft

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Response to Sedona (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:00 PM

4. Sedona is gorgeous! You're so lucky!

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:10 PM

5. I went to Syracuse University

and it was usually about 10 below this time of year.

This was in the fifties.

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Response to connecticut yankee (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:52 PM

9. I was born in Auburn in the fifties, and my Dad worked in Syracuse.

Back then, we had snow on the ground from October to May, and everyone had chains on their tires. I remember it was COLD.

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:13 PM

6. In Arizona

the average Nov. temperature was 5 higher than normal, and I thougt that was outrageous. Well, I thought it was bad until I heard about Syracuse. Yikes!

PTxS

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:31 PM

7. I live in Oswego NY

about 30 miles north of Syracuse. We had the windows open and ceiling fans going. Our neighbor was having their windows replaced. Couldn't ask for a better day to do that. Most December days in Oswego it's 20 degrees and snowing!

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Response to 49jim (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:01 PM

27. Back in the 50's, it would snow so much on the campus, they'd erect clothes lines

running from one building to the other, so that people didn't get lost in the blowing snow. You couldn't see your hand in front of your face, let alone the next building.

Nearby RIT built underground tunnels between dorms for that reason.


Honestly, alaska has nothing on Oswego NY.

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:15 PM

11. so it happened 110 yrs ago shows it is not a predictor, just an occasional occurrence nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:07 PM

18. It shows a clear warming pattern

70's have been reached 4 times in Dec. in the past 110 years, per the article.

3 of those 4 times occurred in the past 40 years.

The trend is clearly for warmer winters, and warmer weather in general, across the US and the entire planet.

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:58 PM

12. I live here in Syracuse, pretty much grew up here.

and indeed it was balmy. We ended up with pouring rain by evening and it is still coming down. Just a little over a week ago it was snowing. Snow 30 inches more than normal is predicted for this winter. Our weather is so changeable lately, I think most of us are waiting for the other shoe to drop (one extreme to another). Our summer was very hot, more sun than I can remember. We used to pay for every 2 days of clear blue and sunshine withe 3 days of rain and overcast with a week or to of hazy, hot and humid in August. Our Winters have historically been very cold (deep freezes right after Christmas and then late Jan/Feb). We always had a Jan. thaw which served to give us some false hope winter would warm up a bit and maybe shorten. There is definitely a change. I remember back in the 1970s we had so much snow, we couldn't open our doors.

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:30 AM

13. I planted garlic today in Wisconsin. I had to WEED my garden!

December 4th. Jeez.

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:53 AM

14. K&R

Yes, very very unusual weather up there... Lived up around Watertown (25 miles S of Canadian border). Used to have lake affect snows, white outs with kids to get home from schools, temps of 15 below to 20 below at least 20 days a winter., 3-4 feet of snow for months on end. It usually tundra up there. And it started in on Halloween.

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:59 AM

15. hha

 

Is that OK? reply for one.then two ~then .O

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:36 AM

17. Are they marketing thermo suits yet?

We are all going to drown or cook.

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:55 PM

20. CLICK.



PHIL: This first slide here shows Madge and Bill standing right there in front of the New York Space Authority building, ready to start our trip. You can tell it was a pretty nice day on account they're not wearing any protective clothing except for goggles and a mask. The old guy got hit by our taxi–that was some wild driver we had–and the kid's playing a trick on him. Cute, hah?

MADGE: If he hadn't of done it someone else would of. CLICK.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:23 AM

22. LMAO!

Thanks Octafish! I needed that.

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:42 AM

23. National Lampoon, June, 1972

How's that for the prescience of your science fiction cartoonists?



You are most welcome, lonstarnot! You mean the worlds to me!

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Response to Octafish (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:19 AM

24. Priceless! Bullwinkles!

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:36 AM

25. I live in the Finger Lakes

Rochester hit 70 too. Seems like the temps have been fluctuating even more than usual.

It was 35 yesterday, but going up into the 50's today through Monday, then back down to more winter like temps on Tuesday and Wednesday.

While one day may not be enough to attribute to GW the overall pattern here has been that the winters seem to be getting warmer and dryer with a lot less snow. Lake levels are down.

I am not a scientist but sure seems like GW to me, even though no one is acknowledging or admitting the problem, at least as far as the weather forecasters here.

Bet they are not allowed to mention it for fear they would get accused of having a left wing bias.

To make matters worse my favortie local news and weather, just got bought by Sinclair. Same group that owns the local Fox station. YUCK.

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Response to ejbr (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:45 AM

26. I think the real news here is that Syr. has awful weather.

Which is news only to those who have never been there for two days in a row.

It is worth remembering that climate change is not going to be an easing of the dial from "shitty" to "nice" for any place that already enjoys awful weather.

It is going to be a magnifying glass that increases the intensity of the shittiness in a given area.

For example, right now Syracuse enjoys the dubious "advantage" of being so cold at night in mid-winter that snowfall is somewhat reduced from what it would be if the nighttime temperatures rise even slightly. That may mean more, heavier, wetter snow for Syracusans here in a couple of months.

Stock up on the Matt's party balls, is my recommendation.

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