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Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:48 PM

 

Trayvon Martin killer George Zimmerman has bloody lip in new photo of fateful night

Source: NY Daily News

Blood runs down George Zimmerman’s lip in a newly released photo taken the night he gunned down Trayvon Martin.



The neighborhood watchman’s legal team released the picture Monday, in a move that could draw renewed attention to Zimmerman’s claims that he shot the unarmed, black 17-year-old in self-defense.



Zimmerman, 29, pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder in the fatal Feb. 26 shooting of Martin in his gated community in Sanford, Fla.






Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/new-photo-support-self-defense-claim-trayvon-martin-killer-george-zimmerman-article-1.1212539

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Reply Trayvon Martin killer George Zimmerman has bloody lip in new photo of fateful night (Original post)
michigandem58 Dec 2012 OP
FiveGoodMen Dec 2012 #1
Morganfleeman Dec 2012 #30
niyad Dec 2012 #39
Mangoman Dec 2012 #44
Zoeisright Dec 2012 #68
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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:51 PM

1. Wow! That picture took a long time to photosh- I mean, develop.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:07 AM

30. So you think the police photoshopped it?

Because that's where the photograph came from

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Response to Morganfleeman (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:35 AM

39. there is no proof that came from the police, there is only the lawyer saying so. please indicate

any proof you have that this really came from the police, and remember that this does not look at ALL like the actual pic of him in the police station, no apparent blood or bruising or lacerations, and in clean clothes. actually, the nose looks like it had silly putty applied to it.

welcome to du, enjoy your stay.

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Response to niyad (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:14 PM

44. As if...

 

Zimmermans lawyer would photoshop a pic release it and claim it came from the police

Is that what you think happened?

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Response to Mangoman (Reply #44)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:43 PM

68. Of course that's what happened.

You really think defense attorneys wouldn't lie? God.

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Response to Mangoman (Reply #44)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:13 PM

86. Given the fact that Zimmerman

has been in serious trouble with the law any number of times, and the charges are always mysteriously dropped, I don't know what to think. Google it.

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Response to niyad (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:07 PM

50. The press must be in on the coverup too...

 

otherwise, they wouldn't have included "AP via Sanford Police Department" under the pic.

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Response to Morganfleeman (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:42 PM

47. It looks nothing like the live video of him walking into the police station without a scratch

So I think someone faked something.

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Response to Morganfleeman (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:34 PM

66. Hey! if you were trying to kill me, and waved a gun around, I would punch you in the nose. Then I

reckon it would be ok for you to shoot me dead. Just defending yourself. Not you, but just sayin'...

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:54 PM

2. Yep I knew I should have shot that kid when I got into the fight in Junior High.

Oh my my.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:59 PM

3. Notice we haven't seen any pics of how badly Treyvon Martin

may have been beaten.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:02 PM

4. yes

considering that Mr. Martin's remains have already gone the way of all flesh, which makes it easy for people to lie, speculate.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:06 PM

8. There must be autopsy photos.

What it may come down to is a jury deciding who was the aggressor, and who hit first. Unfortunately, there's only one person alive who knows who that is, and I doubt he will be taking the stand.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:32 AM

17. Trayvon didn't stalk Zimmerman with a loaded 9mm

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:41 AM

19. We know.

We know who the aggressor is. It was the person who was told to stay in the car but then decided to disobey and confront Trayvon.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:35 AM

40. You nailed it nt

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:59 AM

20. There should have been autopsy photos, shouldn't there?

And wouldn't the cops have been obligated to make those available to Trayvon's family?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:03 PM

5. That's it?

 

A little blood and a nose bump?

I've done more damage to myself having fun.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:38 PM

67. I have done more damage shaving...

I shaved with a straight razor for the first time on Sunday. The first couple strokes were not good- I have two good gashes on the right cheek. It took a lot of styptic and toilet paper to get it stopped.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:04 PM

6. Gun culture's poster boy will get off. nt

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:06 PM

7. That's the worst Photoshop EVER.

Kids in kindergarten could do better these days.

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Response to dballance (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:08 AM

24. Why would the police help him?

The picture was taken by a cop.

Not that Martin was unjustified in defending himself from an armed stalker, but this makes me think a jury just might let Zimmerman go on the current charges.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:12 AM

32. I know it has been a while but...

mr. z was a neighborhood 'watch' helper who called in many of this type of complaint. The 911 folk knew him by name. What, ten months later who can remember. That is the beauty of pushing a trial back so far that people can't keep what the cops or defendant did straight.

Hate to see all of this talk pop up here again. Let the judge and jury hear it and do what is right.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:34 AM

35. I don't see how that answers my question.

Why would a police officer help him?

For all we know, his activities as a 'neighborhood watch' generated unwanted busy work for the police. Hell, he assaulted one, or was at least charged with assaulting one.

The Police tend to take a dim view of that shit. Knowing someone by name doesn't automatically imply favorability.

If memory serves (and the linked article in the OP states) that image was taken by a police officer. The poster I responded to called it was a photoshop. Implying a police officer altered the photo on Zimmerman's behalf. I see no motive for any such behavior. I asked for one. That poster hasn't responded yet. Do you have one?

Where memory might fail me, I can't remember if this was the 'next day' photo, or the 'night of' photo.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #35)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:36 PM

85. Did you see the leaked video from the police station that night?

Not only does it show gz without a scratch on him, it also shows him sauntering into the station like he worked there.

No cuffs. More or less just following the cops into the building (that's how they treat everyone they "arrest", right?)

And who was it that decided the fatal shooting was no big deal and just let him go?

There's plenty of reason to suspect the cops in this case.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #85)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:48 AM

96. The cops recommended he be charged.

District attorney Wolfinger dismissed the writ.

I WOULD like to see Wolfinger's phone records from that night. You bet.


But the police recommended he be charged.

(the video I saw was black and white. Someone identified the original photo below, it was Zimmerman in the back of the police car. Color photos show detail that black and white simply do not.)

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:30 AM

38. there is NO proof that pic was taken by a police officer, only the word of the lawyer.

and that isn't the clothing he was wearing in the pic of him in the actual police station. how many police stations have neon bar lights in them?

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Response to niyad (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:43 AM

41. THAT answers my question.

I remember this being reported as having been taken by the police, but was it actually taken by a cop, and was it taken the day of the homicide, or the day after? My memory suggests this picture, when last discussed, was taken the next day, or after Zimmerman left the custody of the Police.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #41)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:53 AM

42. according to the article, that picture showed up a few months ago, black and white and apparently

of poor quality. this whole thing smacks of desperation, because most of us remember the actual pic from the police station, where there was not one indication of any sort of altercation.

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Response to niyad (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:04 PM

49. Not the same clothing, you say?

 

Let me guess... more Photoshops?







And that pic was taken with Zimmerman seated in a police vehicle.

The "neon bar lights" you see... is a laptop screen with dispatch info displayed.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #49)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:19 PM

74. really? someone who is being taken to the police station is in the back seat--so, this pic

was taken of him sitting in the back seat, back to the front of the car (where the laptop would presumably be, and the cop who took it was, what? squatting on the back seat? and why isn't the flash reflected off the front windshield?

if there is an explanation, I would love to hear it.

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Response to niyad (Reply #74)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:58 PM

79. You're reeeealy grasping at straws here.

 

First you claim
that isn't the clothing he was wearing in the pic of him in the actual police station
, which is/was easily proven nonsense.

Failing in that, you persist in continuing with the nonsense even more.

Here's an uncropped pic... figure it out...

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Response to -..__... (Reply #79)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:17 PM

83. oh, I figured it out, see the video.

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Response to niyad (Reply #83)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:26 PM

84. The Lucas Film CGI one, or the non Lucas Film CGI one?

 

This cover up and deception runs deeper than you or anyone else thought.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #84)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:57 PM

88. As I have stated many times, there are two basic ways to address challenges to any conspiracy theory

 

1. Expand the conspiracy to include everyone who could have stopped it, or

2. Contract the conspiracy to a small cadre of omnipotent, omniscient super-geniuses.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #88)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:22 PM

90. I'm willing to bet Lex Luthor has a concrete alabi...

 

the cast of Monty Python, I'm not so sure about.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #90)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:49 PM

94. Just a reminder: Scoffing is not an argument

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Response to -..__... (Reply #49)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:18 PM

87. Those pics in which Z looks untouched.

When were they taken? Because he looks pretty good for a guy who has been in a fight for his life.

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Response to crim son (Reply #87)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:03 PM

89. After the shooting (depending on whom you belive).

 

Looks like a booking or interrogation room to me.

The recently released pic is of mediocre quality at best (when compared to the other two I attached).

It was taken with a cell phone camera, and at too close a distance (hence the fish eye lens look), with Zimmerman sitting in the rear drivers side seat facing the officer.

I'm guessing that the pic was taken before EMT's/Paramedics arrived to treat the wounds/clean up the blood.

Compare it with the before and after pics, and the abrasions/wounds match.

For the record... here's another "Photoshop" pic (or self inflicted wound, administered by a cop friend after the fact, etc), pic....



Just something to keep in mind here... I'm not disputing that no altercation took place, severity of inflicted wounds, guilt or innocence, etc... what I find disturbingly fucked-up, is the claims and/or willful ignorance of some here that cling to the narrow minded belief that Zimmerman is 100% guilty, and that these "faked" photos are even more proof of that.

for a guy who has been in a fight for his life.


And neither you, I or anyone else here was there or placed in that situation.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #89)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:59 PM

95. I thought he claimed his life was in danger. Perhaps I misread.

It looks like a booking room to me, too. I saw the vids of him walking into the station and the back of his head had no blood on it, or any sign of injury. One way or another, something does not add up. He has been proven to be a liar at least where his finances are concerned, and this along with his history of unpunished criminal activity, arouses suspicion. But you're right, we were not there & I agree that any claim regarding his guilt or innocence right now can only be speculation.

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Response to niyad (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:50 AM

97. Yes there is

Florida is a discovery state - meaning that everything the prosecution has it must release to the defense.

A black and white version of this photo was earlier included in discovery. The prosecution is in no sense cooking the books for Zimmerman, therefore the idea that they would connive at a faked photo is kind of off the charts.

This photo is the one taken at the scene before the EMTs did first aid on him. There is also a photo showing the lacerations on the back of the skull.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:08 PM

9. Trayvon simply fighting back after being stalked and attacked

 

I hope Zimmerman felt the pain from that bloody lip.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:09 PM

10. Oh well, doesn't change the fact

that Zimmerman chased down and accosted a minor. So the minor may have protected himself as best he could. Still leaves it at Zimmerman's feet. Had he stayed in his car and not chased the young man down neither would of been hurt.




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Response to CC (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:28 AM

25. When I served on a jury in California

the ultimate question was could the defendant have avoided being in that situation.

In that case, as is true here, the defendant deliberately entered into the confrontation. We found him incredibly guilty.

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Response to MurrayDelph (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:22 PM

110. Florida's Stand Your Ground Statute self-defense statute is different from California's

self-defense statute.

In Florida, there is little or no duty to retreat when attacked. Those who are attacked or likely to be attacked may "stand his or her ground" and fight back right there, at least that's how I understand it.

The states often differ in the details of their criminal statutes.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #110)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:30 PM

111. California law has no duty to retreat either. The main difference between CA and FL is the scope...

 

...of locations where the presumption that use of deadly force was justified. Inside of a person's home or place of business, it's airtight if the person on whom you used forcibly entered the building without permission.

You can stand your ground and use deadly force in California as well. But if it's out in a public place as opposed to inside of your own home or office, you had better be able to come up with convincing evidence that you were actually in danger of a violent attack and not just "reasonably" in fear of one. You certainly can't pick a fight with someone and then use deadly force when you are losing it.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #110)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:30 PM

112. Which benefits Martin but not Zimmerman

Zimmerman started the confrontation by disobeying the police and stalking Martin. Martin, therefore, had the perfect right to beat the living shit out of Zimmerman.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #112)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:35 PM

113. The defense will claim that there were two separate encounters between them

 

The first encounter was Zimmerman following Martin and frightening him.

The defense will say that encounter had ended, that Zimmerman was walking away, and that Martin initiated a second encounter without valid provocation. It's really the only avenue they have at this point IMO.

I've maintained consistently that Zimmerman is morally accountable for the death because he started the whole thing.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:22 PM

11. I used to get a bloody lip wrestling with my little brother

...never though about shooting him for it.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:29 PM

12. if he had stayed in his car, no blood!!!

i really hope Trayvon did beat the shit out of him.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:41 PM

13. Doesn't change anything.. Zimmerman pursued

Trayvon Martin who was unarmed. If anything, it is Trayvon who stood his ground and got shot and killed by an overzealous bully.. and now a coward.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:41 PM

14. Got to call bs on this.

He had a long time from the shooting till this picture was supposedly taken.

You tellin' us he didn't lick the blood off his lips all that time?

Bullshit!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:21 AM

15. I thnk there's more here than

many may have considered. This guy obviously had a problem of looking for trouble. He was allowed to roam the local police station regularly, his dad is/was a judge. And I wonder which of his buddies was first on the scene, somebody who knows of his overzealous interest in anyone walking in the neighborhood after dark, especially if they look black. So what crossed my mind as soon as the claims of his alleged broken nose and abrasion on the back of his head were made public was that the injuries could also have been inflicted after the fact. Maybe by a buddy cop, first on the scene underhandedly advising him that he needed a backup argument of having been attacked. Here, George, close your eyes, this might hurt but it will save your ass... cop punches him or hits him with the nightstick so that a good tale of being attacked will have some evidence. Unless it was George's idea. Who can tell if it happened during the murder or fifteen-twenty minutes later, especially if his buddy the cop is first on the scene?

Or, maybe Travon got one good whack at him with that lethal iced tea he was carrying. I'm inclined to think it was George's buddy the cop. Remember, he was not arrested for over a month.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:26 AM

22. naw not the iced tea it was the skittles

those things can be deadly don' cha' no

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:29 AM

34. when she's around kicking ass...

 

Yessir...

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #34)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:17 PM

45. LMAO.

sorry.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:31 AM

16. What does Trayvon have?

New flowers on his grave?

I don;t care if Zimmerman had his face smasked in. Murderer.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:34 AM

18. having seen the pic of him going into the police station with, apparently, not a scratch on him,

in clean clothes, not even that supposed scalp laceration, yeah, right this bloody lip photo is real.

and, daily news, a reminder, he was NOT a neighborhood watch person, but a vigilante.

I guess that his offer of autographs in exchange for donations to his legal defense fund isn't going so well.

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Response to niyad (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:47 AM

27. Good point. He was spotless in that video.

Regardless, he stalked Trayvon withou identifying himself. It was Trayvon who should have invoked the Stand Your Ground law, not Zimmerman. Whether or not Zimmerman has blood on his nose, he still murdered Trayvon after being told to stay in his car.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:02 AM

21. Pig should not have vigilante stalked him in the first place, then he wouldn't have had his cop

friends kick his ass for photos.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:31 AM

23. this is BS

why has it taken 10 months for this to surface?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:43 AM

26. I don't care if Zimmerman had a huge gash on his face and broken bones.

His victim fought back. That doesn't make Zimmerman less guilty.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:41 AM

28. Zimmerman's team is really leaning on that "angry negro needed to be stopped" defense, huh?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:58 AM

29. The ugly truth needs to be said again and again

The "stand your ground" defense in practice is "I can shoot any Black person I want to, Yee-haw!"

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:12 AM

31. Zimmerman's

 

bloody lips, if he ever had one, doesn't prove anything. He was the one that initiated the attack, and Trayvon had every right to defend himself against that crazy psychopath. I don't care what he says. He was told to not confront Trayvon and stay in the car. Zimmerman got out of his car and stalked the kid. The kid wasn't doing anything wrong, and was going home. The only excuse, Zimmerman had, is the kid was suspicious and Black. So I don't care what his lawyer says.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:39 AM

33. O Photoshop...

 

...what crimes are committed in thy name!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:36 AM

36. What a scheme...

As long as GZ's web site keeps getting money, the lawyers and judicial system will keep milking the process. GZ stalked this teen to see where he was going. The teen had no idea what kind of danger he was in because GZ DID NOT identify himself as the captain of the neighborhood watch group. So the teen was only doing what he thought was protecting himself by confronting his stalker (GZ). Then the fight broke out (GZ still didn't identify himself). GZ stated to the police that he "FELT as if the guy was going to reach for his gun." That's when GZ said he pulled the gun out of the holder and shot the guy. Notice GZ didn't say the guy tried to get the gun.


I've taught my teens to do whatever they had to do to protect themselves, especially if they were ever being followed by a stranger. If GZ had indentified himself at the beginning...this would not have happened. PERIOD

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Response to jonesgirl (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:59 AM

37. one point--gz was NOT a neighborhood watch captain, merely a vigilante.

neighborhood watch do not go armed, if I remember correctly.

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Response to niyad (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:03 PM

64. Yes, he was the captain of the neighborhood watch group. Here in Florida, you have the

right to conceal, as long as you have a license. He carried the gun at all times.

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Response to jonesgirl (Reply #64)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:56 PM

69. george zimmerman not a member of any recognized group


George Zimmerman not a member of recognized neighborhood watch organization
by Alexis Garrett Stodghill | March 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM
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When 28-year-old George Zimmerman was discovered by Sanford, Florida police standing over the body of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they accepted Zimmerman’s claim that he killed in self-defense as a neighborhood watch captain. Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) — the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.

“In no program that I have ever heard of does someone patrol with a gun in their pocket,” Carmen Caldwell, the Executive Director of Citizens’ Crime Watch of Miami-Dade, told theGrio. “Every city and municipality has their own policies. Here in Miami-Dade we train people only to be the eyes and ears of their communities. Not to follow and most definitely not to carry a weapon.”

Despite this, Zimmerman admitted that he had fired a weapon on the night of the incident. In addition, the non-emergency call Zimmerman placed on February 26 before the shooting revealed he had been pursuing Martin by car before accosting the youth on foot — all direct violations of Neighborhood Watch policies.

. . . .

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-neighborhood-watch-organization/

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Response to jonesgirl (Reply #64)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:35 AM

98. Nope. He just decided he was a Watch member.

http://lawenforcementtoday.com/tag/neighborhood-watch/

You can be forgiven for thinking otherwise since our crappy MSM has persistently and erroneously reported otherwise.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:13 PM

43. FotoForensic software shows FAKED!

I have taken the liberty to do forsensic analysis on this photo and have found the photo was indeed a real photo of George Zimmerman but it was edited on March 3, 2012 with the photo editing software GIMP which is a freeware version similar to Photoshop- here is what fotoforensics revealed.
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=57899bc7253cfdb62896508d16ec34b52a56d925.209869
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Response to MissUniverse (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:31 PM

46. I pray that you are right- looks

impressive to me!

Welcome to DU!

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Response to MissUniverse (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:14 PM

52. Hey, Miss Miami CSI...

 

One... that's not the same pic posted in the link.

Two... there's nothing unusual or suspect about the use of photo editing software being used here; as in cropping, resizing, color and/or brightness adjustment, etc.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #52)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:37 PM

114. Yes it is the same photo

What??? because you say it is not...this is the same photo and the same technology used by the experts in the field...but do not let the facts get in your way...lol.

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=57899bc7253cfdb62896508d16ec34b52a56d925.209869
click metadata on the left side of the photo and scroll down...it is all there...period! The pic was modified hours before it was posted on the website of G's legal team. 9.10 AM the photo was modified. I have years of experience in the industry and the credential to back it up. And you? Nuf said.

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Response to MissUniverse (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:15 PM

54. Wow! Very cool. Welcome to DU MissUniverse!

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Response to MissUniverse (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:32 PM

92. Welcome to DU!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:50 PM

48. WTF... did I just wander into the "Creative Speculation" group?

 

Some folks here are either in a sad state of denial, or have very active imaginations.

Self inflicted wounds after the fact...

Beat down by police friends to add creditability to the story...

Photoshopped...




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Response to -..__... (Reply #48)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:19 PM

56. I imagine an equally active imagination would simply accept the photo as is...

I imagine an equally active imagination, powered by a cultural sacred cow, would simply accept the photo as is.

Seems rather silly, too.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #56)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:27 PM

58. If the image isn't genuine, I would expect the prosecution to hold a press conference and disavow it

 

Or at least a press release disavowing the image. They've shown themselves to be adept at the Trial by Media thing.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #58)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:14 PM

70. I've noticed that anyone who suggests waiting for a trial to pass judgment around here will be

 

subjected to multiple epithets, mostly based on charges of racism. Some of the people who claim to know precisely what took place that night but have not given depositions might want to consider doing that.

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Response to pop topcan (Reply #70)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:57 PM

102. What? On a liberal web site? That cannot be. Take it back, I say, or I'll...

bring you before the High Council at first dawn for your just desserts!

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #102)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:34 PM

107. Vanilla ice cream with a splash of Kahlua, please. :D

 


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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #56)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:43 PM

62. Suggesting and or believing that any of the released photos...

 

have been altered or Photoshopped to lend support to Zimmermans story is pushing the envelope of credibility.

It would mean the involvement (or inefficiency), of the police, the prosecutor, Zimmermans attorneys and the press suppressing or having any knowledge of any actual, unaltered photo.

In such a high profile, closely watched case, how long do you think any monkey business would hold up under scrutiny?

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Response to -..__... (Reply #62)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:42 PM

77. Still seems to be six of this, and half a dozen of that.

I imagine taking the photo at face value is also somewhat naive.

"how long do you think any monkey business would hold up under scrutiny?"
Not long at all-- Z's secret code with his wife about transferring funds seems to have blown up rather quickly-- without the knowledge of his lawyer.

I figure in a few days days, it will play out. Until then, still seems six of those, and half a dozen of these.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #62)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:59 PM

103. You mean you didn't see the brush strokes of the Soviet's pictures of the dark side of the moon?

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Response to -..__... (Reply #48)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:19 PM

65. For all the accusations I hear about young black men being presumed guilty until proven innocent

I have to ask why those same accusations dont apply to those going after Zimmerman.

If someone photoshopped this pic, it won't last long under any scrutiny from prosecutors, the media, or just people on the net. IF it does pass scrutiny, both sides need to live with it and start discussing what it proves.

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Response to Township75 (Reply #65)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:23 PM

71. Because he admitted stalking and shooting Trayvon

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Response to Township75 (Reply #65)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:26 PM

72. let's see--zimmerman was instructed to return to his car and leave martin alone, by police

dispatch. disregarding those instructions, he pursued martin, who is now dead. he has a history of assault (on a police officer, no less), and apparent delusions about being a super-cop. innocent until proven guilty? of course. but that doesn't mean that one cannot form an opinion about the facts as presented.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #48)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:34 PM

93. They are twisting like a pretzel because the photo doesn't feed into their preconceived perceptions.

Last edited Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:27 PM - Edit history (1)

Having said that, Zimmerman did kill a teenager whose only crime was going out for snacks. What irritates me are the politicians who thumped their chest repeatedly over this incident while ignoring the bloodbath in cities like Chicago, for example. When it's black on black crime they prefer to look the other way. How many young people have to die before they start paying attention?

Edited to add this article I just found. Same old story in Chicago. Where are the politicians?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/shot-waiting-for-bus-chic_n_2237596.html

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:11 PM

51. Photo-shopped

If this were true, the photo would've appeared the following day. Such bull**it.

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Response to Rider3 (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:29 PM

60. Actually, the information in reply #43 suggests that the image was edited in Gimp

 

Not that it matters either way. It's quite normal for raw images to be cropped, compressed, and have their color balance and levels adjusted for display on the Web.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:14 PM

53. And how would this make a difference?

I'm sorry, he had a gun, the other guy didn't. The other guy is dead. The other guy was stalked and confronted. Would it be unreasonable for the other guy to try to fend off an attacker with a gun in his hand?

None of this excuses these facts: Zimmerman went after the guy, pointed the gun and pulled the trigger and now a young man is dead.

Anything else is bullshit.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:18 PM

55. The photo is consistent with the report of the EMT

see pages 183-184 for the EMT report

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/Zimmerman_Discovery.pdf


of course MSNBC could have made everything up

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:25 PM

57. If the prosecution is doing their job, they'll challenge any pic submitted in evidence....

First, no picture should be submitted as evidence in court without a sworn statement, under oath, from the person who took the original picture, and they should be required to examine the picture on the stand and swear to its authenticity.

Secondly, the prosecution should be able to call on photo experts to determine whether or not the picture has been altered, by digital means or otherwise.

If the prosecution does its job, Zimmerman should do time!

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #57)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:31 PM

61. I think they'd be all over the media like ugly on a ape if this image wasn't correct

 

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #57)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:35 PM

75. If the defense does its job, Zimmerman should go free!

 

All it takes is to convince one juror that reasonable doubt exists.

Pictures, like the one posted, helps more than harms Zimmermans case.

Secondly, the prosecution should be able to call on photo experts to determine whether or not the picture has been altered, by digital means or otherwise.


Unless there's a genuine concern that the evidence has been tampered with, it's really not necessary to put experts on the stand. But assuming it was, the defense should also be accorded the same opportunity to call on it's own experts to back up their case and/or dispute the prosecution.

There's a legal term (which I don't recall at the moment), where both parties agree to accept certain evidence/testimony based on its face value without further inquiry.

Regardless... the validity of the pic will be determined waaay before any trial gets underway.

Neither side would be foolish enough not to investigate the authenticity of any physical evidence before hand before allowing it to be submitted to the jury/judge.

First, no picture should be submitted as evidence in court without a sworn statement, under oath, from the person who took the original picture, and they should be required to examine the picture on the stand and swear to its authenticity


That's SOP for the introduction of any physical evidence.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #75)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:42 PM

78. The legal term you were looking for is stipulation

 

As in the parties stipulate that January follows December.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #78)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:07 PM

81. Thanks.

 

Us gun nuts got to rally around our poster boy, ya'know!



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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:29 PM

59. If some person came at me with a gun, hellbent on killing me,

he'd have more than a bloody lip to show for it. Fornicate him and the lawyer he rode in on.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:51 PM

63. Which proves what, exactly?

That he fell on a sidewalk while he was stalking Trayvon, perhaps?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:37 PM

76. There was more damage

to the face of George Bush from "choking on a pretzel"

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:00 PM

80. Wow. It's amazing he lived..

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Response to are_you_serious_1234 (Reply #80)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:27 PM

91. Thread winner ^^^^

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Response to are_you_serious_1234 (Reply #80)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:59 AM

99. That would make a wonderful segue for a comment...

 

...that I will not post.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:08 PM

82. yet the psychopath vigil-wannabe still is a murderer

...and that's even if this photo was not doctored. Notice how vociferously the gun nuts defend the image as being legit. Interesting... maybe the "Stand Your Ground" has more to do with this case than they will ever admit.

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #82)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:05 AM

100. If you still believe this incident has anything to do with "Stand Your Ground" laws...

 

...you have been misled.

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #82)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:08 PM

104. Yet the "liberal" authoritarians have proclaimed Zimmerman "...still is a murder." ...

Without benefit of trial. Nice, fh.

BTW, is Zimmy's attorney basing his defense on SYG?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #104)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:57 PM

105. and you think its ok for people to murder people

how very liberal of you indeed. When you bs, do a better job... yawn

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #105)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:13 AM

106. When you learn about justice instead of revenge, check back.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #106)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 07:59 PM

108. tell that to those actually persecuting people

geez... get a grip. It's a post on the internet. I have no influence on Zimmerman.... but he's the one that pulled the trigger, not Trayvon.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:14 AM

101. Interesting.....

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:39 PM

109. Why?

 

I don't think this alone gives Zimmermann a case for using lethal force. Zimmermann could beat that kid senseless if he wanted to. To be honest, I am sick of hearing about this case because it is one of those "moral crusade" type cases that the media promotes over and over. We need to focus more on the problem of gang violence, which kills lots of teenagers like Trayvon every day and rarely makes headlines.

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