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Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:15 PM

Pushing G.O.P. to Negotiate, Obama Ends Giving In

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Source: NY Times

Amid demands from Republicans that President Obama propose detailed new spending cuts to avert the year-end fiscal crisis, his answer boils down to this: you first.

Mr. Obama, scarred by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by a clear if close election to a second, has emerged as a different kind of negotiator in the past week or two, sticking to the liberal line and frustrating Republicans on the other side of the bargaining table.

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Mr. Geithner said it was up to Republicans to outline more spending cuts than Mr. Obama had previously put on the table. “Some Republicans apparently want to go beyond that, but what they have to do is tell us what they’re prepared to do,” Mr. Geithner told Bob Schieffer on “Face the Nation” on CBS. “And what we can’t do, Bob, is sit here trying to guess what works for them.”

That represents something of a shift for Mr. Obama, who did try to guess what worked for Republicans in his first term. When he crafted a stimulus spending program to bolster the economy shortly after taking office, Mr. Obama devoted roughly a third of the money to tax cuts that he assumed Republicans would like. They did not. Likewise, his framework for universal health care included free-market elements that he thought Republicans would embrace. They did not.


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/us/politics/pushing-gop-to-negotiate-obama-ends-giving-in.html?pagewanted=all



The real question is whether the media will call Republicans on their vagueness and hypocrisy in accusing Democrats of failing to consider Republicans proposals while refusing to put any Republican proposals on the table.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:28 PM

1. Clarity

Clarity is achieved in American politics when messengers in various milieus are all echoing the same point: tv, government, TALK RADIO, newspapers and magazines, and the internet.

The Republicans have it down to a science.

One of the advantages they're reaping from Benghazi is it prevents Democrats from talking about the fiscal cliff. We're on the defensive. They're creating the narrative, the story, and when we get the microphone we have to respond to what they say, not talk about what we want to say.

It's encouraging to see Obama trying to use his base for a megaphone, but he's got a long way to go to get the kind of performance that will yield political clout comparable to what the Republican party achieves with their noise machine.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:46 PM

2. OP, thats just not true. The republicans have actually put a plan on the table.

Their plan though largely consists of kissing the butts of the wealthy while at the same time giving the middle finger to the majority of the american people.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:07 PM

3. "that he assumed Republicans would like. They did not."

That represents something of a shift for Mr. Obama, who did try to guess what worked for Republicans in his first term. When he crafted a stimulus spending program to bolster the economy shortly after taking office, Mr. Obama devoted roughly a third of the money to tax cuts that he assumed Republicans would like. They did not. Likewise, his framework for universal health care included free-market elements that he thought Republicans would embrace. They did not.

It's too bad the "reporter" didn't mention the fact that the items Obama proposed that Republicans eschewed were the very same things they (the GOP) proposed themselves. But, since "the black guy" proposed them, they wouldn't have it.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:19 PM

4. Locking, sorry. The OP article is analysis.


Please consider reposting in GD or Politics2012.

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