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Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:49 PM

Tribes raise $9M for sacred SD land

Source: Associated Press

Tribes raise $9M for sacred SD land
By KRISTI EATON Associated PressAssociated Press
Posted: 11/30/2012 12:46:12 PM PST
November 30, 2012 9:47 PM GMTUpdated: 11/30/2012 01:47:03 PM PST


SIOUX FALLS, S.D.—After months of high-profile fundraising that drew celebrities' attention and dollars, a group of Native American tribes has raised $9 million to buy a piece of land in South Dakota's Black Hills that they consider sacred, an official with an Indian land foundation said Friday.
The Indian Land Tenure Foundation president Cris Stainbrook told The Associated Press that the tribes raised enough money to purchase the land from its current owners. The foundation was one of several groups and organizations leading the effort to buy the land.

Stainbrook said the deal should be finalized yet Friday, which was the deadline for the tribes to raise the money.

The land, known as Pe' Sla, went up for sale after being privately owned. Members of the Great Sioux Nation have been allowed to gather there every year to perform rituals. The site plays a key role in the tribes' creation story, and members fear new owners would develop it.

"This marks the culmination of four months of a worldwide outpouring of support for the protection of Pe' Sla. The Great Sioux Nation came together to show the world it is paramount for human beings to respect our living mother earth and sacred sites," Standing Rock Sioux tribal member Chase Iron Eyes said in a statement. Iron Eyes' company, Last Real Indians, helped raised more than $900,000 for the purchase through online donations.



Read more: http://www.mercurynews.com/celebrities/ci_22099876/apnewsbreak-tribes-have-enough-buy-sacred-land

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Reply Tribes raise $9M for sacred SD land (Original post)
Judi Lynn Nov 2012 OP
Dont call me Shirley Nov 2012 #1
RebelOne Nov 2012 #2
Hayabusa Nov 2012 #4
rwsanders Nov 2012 #6
2naSalit Dec 2012 #14
Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #20
NCarolinawoman Dec 2012 #21
2naSalit Dec 2012 #23
Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #24
2naSalit Dec 2012 #25
riverwalker Nov 2012 #3
annabanana Nov 2012 #5
xtraxritical Nov 2012 #7
2naSalit Nov 2012 #8
Judi Lynn Nov 2012 #9
2naSalit Nov 2012 #10
Judi Lynn Dec 2012 #12
aquart Dec 2012 #11
2naSalit Dec 2012 #15
Mosby Dec 2012 #17
Coyotl Dec 2012 #13
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #16
okasha Dec 2012 #18
RebelOne Dec 2012 #19
2naSalit Dec 2012 #22

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:02 PM

1. Good luck through the finalization.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:28 PM

2. That was their land to begin with.

Why make them pay to buy it back?

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 07:20 PM

4. +1000

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 07:35 PM

6. Read a biography of Daniel Boone, it made me realize what a scam anyone's claim to...

Land "ownership" really is. Basically back then the government took from the native-americans, opened it up and then anyone who set out stakes and reported the "claim" back to the county assessor had it as long as the assessor didn't recognize a competing claim (happened to ole Daniel a few times).
Funny thing about all the right-wingers that want to bible thump, there is a verse that says not to sell land permenantly because it only belongs to God and we are just tenants. With that scripture and those about the year of jubilee I wish there was a way to convince the GOP CEOs that the religious right was secretly plotting to socialize all of their wealth.

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Response to rwsanders (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:39 PM

14. Unfortunately

that idea doesn't fit in with their self-serving, self-aggrandizing reinterpretations of the text.

And the colonies asked the pope for help in determining how to "deal with" the indigenous population and the pope replied... since they are not christians, they are less than human so it's okay to dispense with them in whatever manner you like. And so they did, in the most inhumane methods they could come up with to satisfy their sadistic, xenophobic, control-freak tendencies... all for profit and gain of course.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:14 PM

20. That'd be the Spanish

the British policy toward Native Americans was rather different; one of the grievances of American colonists in 1776 was the British restriction of settlement in the "Indian Reserve" territories claimed from the French in the French and Indian War; see below from the Royal Proclamation of 1763:

And whereas it is just and reasonable, and essential to our interest, and the security of our colonies, that the several nations or tribes of Indians with whom we are connected, and who live under our protection should not be molested or disturbed in the possession of such parts of our dominions and territories as, not having been ceded to, or purchased by us, are reserved to them, or any of them, as their hunting grounds; we do therefore ... declare it to be our royal will and pleasure, that no governor, or commander-in-chief, in any of our colonies of Quebec, East Florida, or West Florida, do presume, upon any pretence whatever, to grant warrants of survey, or pass any patents for lands beyond the bounds of their respective governments, as described in their commissions; as also that no governor or commander-in-chief in any of our other colonies or plantations in America, do presume for the present, and until our further pleasure be known, to grant warrants of survey, or pass patents for any lands beyond the heads or sources of any of the rivers which fall into the Atlantic Ocean, from the west and northwest; or upon any lands whatever, which not having been ceded to, or purchased by us, as afore, are reserved to the Indians, or any of them.

And we do further declare it to be our royal will and pleasure, for the present, to reserve under our sovereignty, protection, and dominion, for the use of the Indians, all the lands and territories not included within the limits of our three new governments, or within the limits of the territory granted to the Hudson's Bay Company, as also all the lands and territories lying to the westward of the sources of the rivers which fall into the sea from the west and northwest; and we do hereby strictly forbid, on pain of our displeasure, all our loving subjects from making any purchases or settlements whatever, or taking possession of any of the lands above reserved, without our especial leave and licence for that purpose first obtained.

And we do further strictly enjoin and require all persons whatever, who have either wilfully or inadvertently seated themselves upon any lands within the countries above described, or upon any other lands, which not having been ceded to, or purchased by us, are still reserved to the Indians, forthwith to remove themselves from such settlements.

http://www.historyhome.co.uk/c-eight/america/1763proc.htm

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:20 PM

21. That's interesting. Thanks. n/t

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:26 PM

23. It was the Spanish

who called upon the pope but whatever the above proclamation purports, that all went by the wayside when Jackson became president and the real campaign against the Native Americans took hold and has only been slowly, and minutely, corrected... if you can call it that.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:32 PM

24. Which was kind of *after* that whole war of independence, no?

Which is rather the point.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:52 PM

25. Not really

My error was in identifying the English colonials when making the point about the pope. The rest of it doesn't really matter because it was a common practice to push the Indians further westward as the colonies and after the "nation" expanded without end until they got to the Pacific shore... and even beyond that. It's been a centuries long pogrom that is still ongoing today.

It's a battle that many tribes are still dealing with today as seen in the OP and within states like Idaho, Wyoming and Montana and the Dakotas just to name a few. These tribes are continuously having to go to court, year after year to retain what little in the way of rights, culture and territory they have. And, the good ol' US gov't was additionally egregious in piling these people on top of others in lands that were already inhabited, placed multiple groups together on tiny reservations in the hope that they would kill each other off and then gave them dietary products that were far less than nutritious and helped establish a host of health problems including diabetes. I'm not going to go into the whole smallpox thing. And then, they continue to imprison numerous tribal members for existing while being Indian, annex their lands and steal their resources... still.

Gosh, what's there to be proud of in our actions there? It started by all immigrant parties and hasn't stopped to this day. Regardless of the bickering over detailed timelines, the results are what they are, sorry if I got some details mixed up.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:50 PM

3. fantastic n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 07:32 PM

5. While I was very glad to read this, I am sorry that

they had to "purchase" what was theirs.

It should have been repatriated at taxpayer's expense. We stole it, after all.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 07:42 PM

7. Doe anyone have a map showing the location?

 

I was at Mt. Rushmore and in S.D. this summer and would like to know if I was on or near the land.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 08:12 PM

8. Try this

After some searching, this is the first ,ap i could find, interactive...

http://itouchmap.com/?d=1262294&s=SD&f=flat

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 08:49 PM

9. Thanks, so much for your helpful link! Welcome to D.U., also. n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 09:01 PM

10. Thanks. I'm just starting to get the hang of this!

I found a lot of web sites covering the issue but not many maps. The NAs I know aren't real big on showing everybody where their sacred sites are, too many new agers flocking there and crowding them out or interrupting their ceremonies. And then there are the Indian-haters who go to their scared places and trash them... yes that still happens.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:49 AM

12. It hasn't been well known there are sub-human defects who continue trying to harm Indian people, too

I'll bet if more people knew about this, there would be more people trying to prevent it.

That's how these pieces of filth like doing their business best: when they can attack people who are alone or in small groups who don't have a lot of power to stop them. Our world saw more than enough of these twisted creatures a long, long time ago.

Native Americans, as well as so many other groups, have had more than enough of being targets for the murderous rage which drives so many incompetent in real life U.S. Americans. They are unsatisfied with their own lives and live to make others suffer for their own failures.

We anticpate their karma bringing them the lessons they refused to learn.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:43 AM

11. Like the Jews did in Palestine. Good luck to them.

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Response to aquart (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:50 PM

15. What?

Like the jews did in Palestine?

Unless you're being sarcastic... try reading this and then consider your statement, please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:17 PM

17. Jews have lived in Palestine for more than 3000 years

And through those years have, for long period of times, not been allowed to visit and pray at their sacred sites. Even today Jews are prohibited from praying at their most sacred site because Muslims can't handle it.

The Jewish tribe, like many native american tribes have what anthropologists call a "connection to place". Certain ceremonies and prayers can only be done at certain places. Over the years the Jews paid for property in Palestine so they could worship at those sites.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:45 AM

13. Have parts of three states stolen from you, pay $9 million to get a speck back

Justice in the USA for the Concentration Camps!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:02 PM

16. Good news.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:47 PM

18. Good news,

but it shouldn't have been necessary to pay for their own land.

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Response to okasha (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 04:48 PM

19. I agree. It is not good news.

That land should be returned to them free of charge.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:20 PM

22. Good point

to which I agree. And the mineral and water rights better be included.

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