Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:03 PM

Poll_Blind (23,163 posts)

Palestinians Win Statehood Upgrade at U.N.

Source: Jewish Daily Forward

United Nations — The United Nations General Assembly voted to grant de facto recognition to a sovereign state of Palestine by upgrading the U.N. observer status of the Palestinian Authority from “entity” to “non-member state.”

The overwhelming vote came minutes after Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas asked the world body to issue a “birth certificate” for a new nation of Palestine.

“Sixty-five years ago on this day, the United Nations General Assembly adopted resolution 181, which partitioned the land of historic Palestine into two states and became the birth certificate for Israel,” Abbas told the 193-nation assembly after receiving a standing ovation.

“The General Assembly is called upon today to issue a birth certificate of the reality of the State of Palestine,” he said.

Read more: http://forward.com/articles/166943/palestinians-win-statehood-upgrade-at-un/?utm_campaign=&utm_source=direct-jd.fo&utm_medium=jd.fo-other&utm_content=general-general

Much more at the link!

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Palestinians Win Statehood Upgrade at U.N. (Original post)	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	OP
Tough for those who don't like it	dipsydoodle	Nov 2012	#1
Yeah, if you're watching the UN still, Susan Rice is SHRIEKING right now!	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	#2
I'd literally just walked in door	dipsydoodle	Nov 2012	#5
But the US didn't veto it	BainsBane	Nov 2012	#50
It wasn't subject to a veto - that's why.	dipsydoodle	Nov 2012	#60
We have no veto in the UNGA, we voted against it. nt	bemildred	Nov 2012	#61
Thanks	BainsBane	Nov 2012	#62
There is no veto of a General Assembly vote.	JackRiddler	Nov 2012	#72
No kidding, she was literally SHRIEKING. Men can shriek. Women can shriek. She was SHRIEKING.	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	#73
This I assume which is already up on Youtube for posterity.	dipsydoodle	Nov 2012	#86
speaking into a microphone, but still had to yell.. that takes talent	Alamuti Lotus	Nov 2012	#96
Nobody who has ever been the target of shrieking would call this shrieking.	ieoeja	Nov 2012	#138
didn't score many points on that one	PatrynXX	Nov 2012	#71
K&R & Next step? nt	patrice	Nov 2012	#3
Haul both their asses back to the negotiating table with the newly-added stick that...	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	#4
Netanyahu wish it, to "beat off the extremely right-wing elements"? LOL, I seriously doubt it. nt	MH1	Nov 2012	#84
LOL, I know. Just enunciating that he's got a choice.	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	#139
he is those elements.	yurbud	Nov 2012	#136
To stop the apartheid	Dont call me Shirley	Nov 2012	#6
Apartheid to Some	USMCMustang	Nov 2012	#19
I know it's not what you meant...but ironically yes, that is the precise definition of apartheid..	Alamuti Lotus	Nov 2012	#22
Apartheid to anyone who knows what Apartheid is.	Ash_F	Nov 2012	#37
Because the Apartheid South African Government	Samjm	Nov 2012	#101
Pretty sure that's not it	Ash_F	Nov 2012	#130
Yes, I clearly remember when being a bigot went out of fashion in the very early 1990's,	hughee99	Nov 2012	#135
If I take you implication to be correct, that is literally as a bad as the "states rights" people...	Ash_F	Nov 2012	#137
A pretty gross argument to make?	hughee99	Nov 2012	#142
That argument does not line up with the timeline of events.	Ash_F	Nov 2012	#150
What???	hughee99	Nov 2012	#151
Yes, I agree with you 100%	Samjm	Nov 2012	#155
It's Aparthied	libodem	Nov 2012	#83
+1000	DeSwiss	Nov 2012	#38
this move shakes up the status quo, slightly	Alamuti Lotus	Nov 2012	#13
Bibi "moderate"???	Hell Hath No Fury	Nov 2012	#21
you missed my point	Alamuti Lotus	Nov 2012	#25
Good question	atreides1	Nov 2012	#17
maybe the Arab states could increase funding	dlwickham	Nov 2012	#64
Arab states provide more funding? That is funny.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#78
+1 n/t	JudyM	Nov 2012	#115
"The Arab states treat the Palestinians like shit." - But they don't bomb them or steal their stuff	Scootaloo	Nov 2012	#118
No its not Jordan and Lebanon.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#134
Didn't Egypt and Jordan occupy Palestine before Israel took over the occupation?	ieoeja	Nov 2012	#144
All good points.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#147
Well, considering the 2000 "offer" forbade any right of return to the Palestinian "state..."	Scootaloo	Nov 2012	#156
I'll trust Bill Clinton on the subject more than you.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#157
I'd suggest some research	Scootaloo	Nov 2012	#159
Unconditional right of return will never happen	hack89	Dec 2012	#174
The Myth of the Generous Offer - Distorting the Camp David negotiations By Seth Ackerman	Douglas Carpenter	Dec 2012	#168
The Chief Israeli negotiator and Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo ben-Ami said that he would have	Douglas Carpenter	Dec 2012	#169
+2	madrchsod	Dec 2012	#177
israel has internal problems that will have to be dealt with.	madrchsod	Dec 2012	#178
I don't see peace on the horizon with current Israeli attitudes	cpwm17	Dec 2012	#179
"the Arab states" are in no position to act independent of US policy..	Alamuti Lotus	Nov 2012	#102
Congratulations!	Hell Hath No Fury	Nov 2012	#7
Rice is embarrassing herself	LittleBlue	Nov 2012	#8
Her true colors are shining through. Not just about this issue, but about who she is as a person.nt	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	#11
so are yours, pal.	MjolnirTime	Nov 2012	#34
LOL, my NINE years of posts here versus your...LOL...your, what again? Flimsy quip?	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	#36
Are you kidding? Just because Rice is under attack by the Repubs doesn't mean	Chemisse	Nov 2012	#75
They were apparent a long time ago. I was amazed to see how few remembered the polarizing	sabrina 1	Nov 2012	#42
If you think this is about Rice	BainsBane	Nov 2012	#52
Rice is just holding the policy line, actually	Scootaloo	Nov 2012	#119
I really liked Susan Rice during the first Obama campaign...	bunnies	Nov 2012	#12
You might as well say you don't like Obama	BainsBane	Nov 2012	#53
I can't imagine what the Republicans have against her, she articulates business-as-usual just fine..	Alamuti Lotus	Nov 2012	#18
The Rs are just	2naSalit	Nov 2012	#30
I can't tell the difference between her speech and those of Bush's cronies	LittleBlue	Nov 2012	#33
This is her, she was always like this. I wonder why so few remembered why the Left always had	sabrina 1	Nov 2012	#45
This is US policy	BainsBane	Nov 2012	#55
This is the best morality litmus test I know	cpwm17	Nov 2012	#70
The Republicans hate her	King_David	Nov 2012	#47
Just another reason to not consider her as SOS, IMO.	MessiahRp	Nov 2012	#48
And what Ambassador to the UN would do anything different?	BainsBane	Nov 2012	#58
You're right, her ancestors ARE....	ReRe	Nov 2012	#76
A question	quakerboy	Nov 2012	#153
Good. They deserve to have access to the ICC.	bunnies	Nov 2012	#9
expected but still excellent news	stupidicus	Nov 2012	#10
Caught this beautiful picture on Haaretz just a few minutes ago:	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	#14
Omg thats so awesome!!	darkangel218	Nov 2012	#23
Yes Jewish people want all that , however that pictured misguided Jew from	King_David	Nov 2012	#49
Maybe they just want to make peace?	darkangel218	Nov 2012	#54
Who are you to label and value or devalue Jews?	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	#57
Should be obvious shouldn't it? He is da KING! :P nt	Bodhi BloodWave	Nov 2012	#68
That group , The Naturei Karta	King_David	Nov 2012	#82
He's right	leftynyc	Nov 2012	#127
...Where their leader spoke AGAINST holocaust denial.	Scootaloo	Nov 2012	#120
I'm not a religious Jew, but who are to discount them?	Fantastic Anarchist	Nov 2012	#161
Who am I ?	King_David	Nov 2012	#163
Great photo!	Spazito	Nov 2012	#24
Awesome, good for him.	Ash_F	Nov 2012	#40
I don't see a link on YouTube yet. You HAVE to see the video. She's like shriek-growling.	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	#41
Here it is (video of Rice)	subsuelo	Nov 2012	#79
That is beautiful! I wish them peace, both the people of Palestine and the people of Israel.	sabrina 1	Nov 2012	#59
He has nothing to do with the people of Israel,	King_David	Nov 2012	#160
Good for him!	Marrah_G	Nov 2012	#65
He is not Israeli,	King_David	Nov 2012	#162
I wanna shake that guy's hand!	Harry_Scrote	Nov 2012	#141
This person is from Neturei Karta	harrose	Nov 2012	#152
sigh...	Marrah_G	Dec 2012	#176
K & R	Scurrilous	Nov 2012	#15
It's a start.	AzDar	Nov 2012	#16
See also:	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	#20
and so it begins K&R	azurnoir	Nov 2012	#26
this is a good day....a very, very good day	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2012	#27
yes it is indeed n/t	azurnoir	Nov 2012	#28
+1	darkangel218	Nov 2012	#31
In my lifetime...literally...since my birth year. I'm very proud of the UN.	libdem4life	Nov 2012	#29
just an eversoslight	2naSalit	Nov 2012	#35
Hopefully also in my lifetime, in spite of our so-called leaders.	libdem4life	Nov 2012	#39
This message was self-deleted by its author	darkangel218	Nov 2012	#44
Indeed.	2naSalit	Nov 2012	#63
that's giving credit where it's squarely not due--most of Europe abstained	Alamuti Lotus	Nov 2012	#113
You are correct as to voting meaning Western Europe. The abstentions beat Nays.	libdem4life	Nov 2012	#114
I wish them well, and I hope it works out.	hrmjustin	Nov 2012	#32
Excellent news.....	AnOhioan	Nov 2012	#43
K&R	DeSwiss	Nov 2012	#46
+1!	darkangel218	Nov 2012	#56
Countries who voted no...	shaayecanaan	Nov 2012	#51
I love it!	polly7	Nov 2012	#66
White Phosphorus	KimonoGirl	Nov 2012	#67
Well it's about time	magical thyme	Nov 2012	#69
I sincerely hope that this is the light at the end of the tunnel	LadyHawkAZ	Nov 2012	#74
woo hoo	libodem	Nov 2012	#77
What a shame.	unreadierLizard	Nov 2012	#80
Blah, blah, blaaaaah	KimonoGirl	Nov 2012	#85
Clever riposte.	unreadierLizard	Nov 2012	#88
Um, bottle rockets vs the US nuclear arsenal. It's wearing thin.	libdem4life	Nov 2012	#89
Have you gone through the looking glass?	Comrade Grumpy	Nov 2012	#92
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a RW shill.	unreadierLizard	Nov 2012	#93
It's time you realize	leftynyc	Nov 2012	#129
Was it useless during partition?	Fantastic Anarchist	Dec 2012	#165
I don't really care if it's a minority position.	Comrade Grumpy	Dec 2012	#175
You're beautifully and stunningly full of shit; here's why	Alamuti Lotus	Nov 2012	#106
thank you - brilliant response	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2012	#112
+1. nt	bemildred	Nov 2012	#132
Could you maybe shoe a few more blather-points into your Gish Gallop?	Scootaloo	Nov 2012	#121
It changes nothing	leftynyc	Nov 2012	#128
"Israel just can't win."	Ash_F	Nov 2012	#131
I disagree	booley	Nov 2012	#154
What an incredibly stupid post.	Fantastic Anarchist	Nov 2012	#164
The 9 'no' votes	godai	Nov 2012	#81
Wasn't that the coalition of the willing?	AldoLeopold	Nov 2012	#94
K&R	ReRe	Nov 2012	#87
Hope for two states....PRICELESS. From Abbas:	Jefferson23	Nov 2012	#90
I'm going to get banned for this and I don't care	AldoLeopold	Nov 2012	#91
Woa!	darkangel218	Nov 2012	#95
Combined with this horse manure from our nation	AldoLeopold	Nov 2012	#98
Also	AldoLeopold	Nov 2012	#105
Please don't generalize. It's unproductive.	Fantastic Anarchist	Dec 2012	#166
Look at my post #105	AldoLeopold	Dec 2012	#170
Got it.	Fantastic Anarchist	Dec 2012	#171
You were dead on though	AldoLeopold	Dec 2012	#172
We've all been there. We're human.	Fantastic Anarchist	Dec 2012	#173
lol@Susan Rice trying to attract GOP'ers by seeming super-pissed off	Welcome_hubby	Nov 2012	#97
I'm trying to find video of her about this	AldoLeopold	Nov 2012	#99
look above to dipsydoodle's post #86..	Alamuti Lotus	Nov 2012	#103
Many thanks!	AldoLeopold	Nov 2012	#104
no problem	Alamuti Lotus	Nov 2012	#107
Such Good News	NeoBergie	Nov 2012	#100
Welcome to DU!	hrmjustin	Nov 2012	#108
Can Palastinians have their country back now? nt	and-justice-for-all	Nov 2012	#109
Well, I'm glad that's settled. Now we finally know the borders!	Pterodactyl	Nov 2012	#110
Now Israel cant stop humanitarian aid to Palestine anymore	darkangel218	Nov 2012	#111
what new priviliges?	Blackhawk44	Nov 2012	#116
Yes, now they could join the ICC ( International Criminal Court ) if they wanted to	darkangel218	Nov 2012	#124
knr again	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2012	#117
it's about time	nydem14499rsgx	Nov 2012	#122
138 + 9 + 41 + 3 = 191	Hosnon	Nov 2012	#123
Largely symbolic?	CrawlingChaos	Nov 2012	#125
I saw the same thing (probably the same interview) with him on...	Poll_Blind	Nov 2012	#140
Palestinian National Initiative	Fantastic Anarchist	Dec 2012	#167
Since it is impossible to get to an actual "two-state solution" from here	cpwm17	Nov 2012	#126
Good. Direct negotiations have failed for years. UN involvement has been sorely needed. n/t	Pryderi	Nov 2012	#133
Waiting for the angry chorus	Harry_Scrote	Nov 2012	#143
"The Czech Republic was unique in Europe, joining the United States, Israel, Canada, Panama..."	Fearless	Nov 2012	#145
Brownie points?	dipsydoodle	Nov 2012	#148
Now that pun Israel.	Fearless	Nov 2012	#149
There are 2 types of people in Israel.	Great Caesars Ghost	Nov 2012	#146
I think it's a step forward	adieu	Nov 2012	#158

Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:04 PM

dipsydoodle (32,567 posts)

Palestinians Win Statehood Upgrade at U.N.

1. Tough for those who don't like it

2. Yeah, if you're watching the UN still, Susan Rice is SHRIEKING right now!

5. I'd literally just walked in door

50. But the US didn't veto it

60. It wasn't subject to a veto - that's why.

61. We have no veto in the UNGA, we voted against it. nt

62. Thanks

72. There is no veto of a General Assembly vote.

73. No kidding, she was literally SHRIEKING. Men can shriek. Women can shriek. She was SHRIEKING.

86. This I assume which is already up on Youtube for posterity.

96. speaking into a microphone, but still had to yell.. that takes talent

138. Nobody who has ever been the target of shrieking would call this shrieking.

71. didn't score many points on that one

3. K&R & Next step? nt

4. Haul both their asses back to the negotiating table with the newly-added stick that...

84. Netanyahu wish it, to "beat off the extremely right-wing elements"? LOL, I seriously doubt it. nt

139. LOL, I know. Just enunciating that he's got a choice.

136. he is those elements.

6. To stop the apartheid

19. Apartheid to Some

22. I know it's not what you meant...but ironically yes, that is the precise definition of apartheid..

37. Apartheid to anyone who knows what Apartheid is.

101. Because the Apartheid South African Government

130. Pretty sure that's not it

135. Yes, I clearly remember when being a bigot went out of fashion in the very early 1990's,

137. If I take you implication to be correct, that is literally as a bad as the "states rights" people...

142. A pretty gross argument to make?

150. That argument does not line up with the timeline of events.

151. What???

155. Yes, I agree with you 100%

83. It's Aparthied

38. +1000

13. this move shakes up the status quo, slightly

21. Bibi "moderate"???

25. you missed my point

17. Good question

64. maybe the Arab states could increase funding

78. Arab states provide more funding? That is funny.

115. +1 n/t

118. "The Arab states treat the Palestinians like shit." - But they don't bomb them or steal their stuff

134. No its not Jordan and Lebanon.

144. Didn't Egypt and Jordan occupy Palestine before Israel took over the occupation?

147. All good points.

156. Well, considering the 2000 "offer" forbade any right of return to the Palestinian "state..."

157. I'll trust Bill Clinton on the subject more than you.

159. I'd suggest some research

174. Unconditional right of return will never happen

168. The Myth of the Generous Offer - Distorting the Camp David negotiations By Seth Ackerman

169. The Chief Israeli negotiator and Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo ben-Ami said that he would have

177. +2

178. israel has internal problems that will have to be dealt with.

179. I don't see peace on the horizon with current Israeli attitudes

102. "the Arab states" are in no position to act independent of US policy..

7. Congratulations!

8. Rice is embarrassing herself

11. Her true colors are shining through. Not just about this issue, but about who she is as a person.nt

34. so are yours, pal.

36. LOL, my NINE years of posts here versus your...LOL...your, what again? Flimsy quip?

75. Are you kidding? Just because Rice is under attack by the Repubs doesn't mean

42. They were apparent a long time ago. I was amazed to see how few remembered the polarizing

52. If you think this is about Rice

119. Rice is just holding the policy line, actually

12. I really liked Susan Rice during the first Obama campaign...

53. You might as well say you don't like Obama

18. I can't imagine what the Republicans have against her, she articulates business-as-usual just fine..

30. The Rs are just

33. I can't tell the difference between her speech and those of Bush's cronies

45. This is her, she was always like this. I wonder why so few remembered why the Left always had

55. This is US policy

70. This is the best morality litmus test I know

47. The Republicans hate her

48. Just another reason to not consider her as SOS, IMO.

58. And what Ambassador to the UN would do anything different?

76. You're right, her ancestors ARE....

153. A question

9. Good. They deserve to have access to the ICC.

10. expected but still excellent news

14. Caught this beautiful picture on Haaretz just a few minutes ago:

23. Omg thats so awesome!!