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kpete

(71,867 posts)
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:20 PM Nov 2012

White House: No debt deal unless tax rates on top earners go up

Source: The Hill

White House: No debt deal unless tax rates on top earners go up
By Amie Parnes - 11/29/12 01:52 PM ET

White House press secretary Jay Carney said Thursday there will be no deficit deal unless Republicans agree to raise tax rates on the wealthiest households.

“There can be no deal without rates on top earners going up,” said Carney, who reiterated that the president will not sign legislation that extends the Bush-era tax rates for the wealthy.


“This should not be news to anyone who was not in a coma during campaign season," Carney said of the president’s stance on taxes.

Carney’s ultimatum came on a day in which both sides dug in and appeared to move farther apart on a deal to prevent tax hikes on most households and crippling spending cuts to defense and non-defense budgets set to hit in January.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/270139-white-house-no-deal-unless-tax-rates-on-top-earners-go-up

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White House: No debt deal unless tax rates on top earners go up (Original Post) kpete Nov 2012 OP
They can either PAY FOR what they've TAKEN or else! nt patrice Nov 2012 #1
But in addition.... zentrum Nov 2012 #2
Totally agree. Smilo Nov 2012 #4
Exactly how are the defense cuts crippling? blackspade Nov 2012 #3
the sequestration cuts are deep across the board blue_heron Nov 2012 #5
I knew that :) blackspade Nov 2012 #6
A lot of jobs in defense industry, bases in south. julian09 Nov 2012 #9
This is why John2 Nov 2012 #16
skirt chasing generals that are treated like royalty leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #17
Crippling their ability to bring home pork to buy votes and claim it's patriotism... freshwest Nov 2012 #19
As a matter of policy we prefer to wage war on ill-equipped people in a mistaken belief that jtuck004 Nov 2012 #10
I know what you mean. blackspade Nov 2012 #13
I only sort of had parents and teachers. Books were closer and better companions, jtuck004 Nov 2012 #18
"people flying around in their personal Jetson-mobile" Martin Eden Dec 2012 #29
Andre Norton SF was pretty close to the truth csziggy Dec 2012 #31
Magazine covers and heads were filled with these fantastic images. jtuck004 Dec 2012 #32
Yes, the Star Trek future was our goal csziggy Dec 2012 #33
“This should not be news to anyone who was not in a coma during campaign season." BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #7
Like virtually the entire Republican voting apparatus? n/t jtuck004 Nov 2012 #8
I KNOW, RIGHT?? pepperbear Nov 2012 #12
agreed SummerSnow Dec 2012 #30
What is the deficit deal? midnight Nov 2012 #11
I think the deal is that the 1% make out like bandits and the 99% get screwed. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #15
Hopefully the election will have some consequences for this type of imbalance in our countries midnight Nov 2012 #20
We still have way too many Republicans in the HOR. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #21
Look at this D.U. post.... midnight Nov 2012 #22
I have seen the post and "go getem Nancy". But call me back when we have results. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #23
Results are the important thing.... midnight Dec 2012 #28
Here's hoping they stick to it this time (nt) riqster Nov 2012 #14
Good luck Charlie Brown. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #24
"All I got was a rock" riqster Nov 2012 #25
Dont trust Lucy. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #27
barack hussein obama arely staircase Nov 2012 #26

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
2. But in addition....
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:29 PM
Nov 2012

...there should be no more pain for the Middle Class and the poor.

Raising the age of SS and medicare shifts the costs from the Federal Government to us and to doctors and ends up actually being more expensive! The richest, whose income has gone up over 280% since 1970, should start contributing at a level and in a way that is finally fair.

Adding to the costs of medical insurance and losing the mortgage rate deduction for the vast middle will slow the recovery yet again!

Obama's 10:1 or 3:1 ratio is not in the least fair to 98% of us.

blue_heron

(223 posts)
5. the sequestration cuts are deep across the board
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:36 PM
Nov 2012

My understanding, they can't pick and choose what to cut. So it would damage programs that should not be cut

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
6. I knew that :)
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:39 PM
Nov 2012

My point was more about the wording.
In know way are the defense cuts crippling.
Non defense I totally agree with you.

 

julian09

(1,435 posts)
9. A lot of jobs in defense industry, bases in south.
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:02 PM
Nov 2012

Should end a lot of bases in Europe, Asia and weapons systems military doesn't even want. How many skirt chasing generals do we need?

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
16. This is why
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:03 PM
Nov 2012

I claim he has the Republicans in a rock and a hard place. Those cuts, hurts their constituents mostly. I know, that the military is a big part of the economy in North Carolina,Georgia,Alabama,Texas,Wyoming and kansas. If the Republicans accept cuts in those states, it will kill them. Those Republican Governors will be defenseless too. Their economies will tank. That is the Federal Government assistance they get. And they want to talk about States supporting themselves. Then go for it. You can add Oklahoma and Arizona to that list also. They are just as important to those states as GM or the auto Industry is to the Midwest. So will the Republicans throw them under the bus just for the wealthy? It is Boerhner's and McConnell's move. This is a high stake's game they are playing.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. As a matter of policy we prefer to wage war on ill-equipped people in a mistaken belief that
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:03 PM
Nov 2012

human spirit can be overcome with our ability to kill, instead of educating ourselves and becoming the nation who builds great things. Cutting funding would prove a barrier to that.

I look at the old science fiction stuff and see pictures and descriptions of big cities, people flying around in their personal Jetson-mobile, everyone looking fit, (except for the boss), jetting between planets, you only break a sweat for fitness. I can count on few fingers the number of those who foresaw shortages of health care and food,

They assumed we would keep investing in ourselves like we were.

Instead we are moving toward islands of private jets surrounded by tar paper shacks, while 20% of the country insists that what we used to invest in our people and tools should revert to payments into their personal bank accounts, they then use those funds to buy politicians and others to do their bidding, and invest elsewhere in the world for greater profit.

And we help them just by living our lives as we do.







blackspade

(10,056 posts)
13. I know what you mean.
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:47 PM
Nov 2012

A lot of that science fiction wasn't 'old' stuff to me!

Then again there are all of the post apocalypse and dystopian future stories and movies.
Tragically they seem to be closer to the truth.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
18. I only sort of had parents and teachers. Books were closer and better companions,
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:36 PM
Nov 2012


for the most part. And my favorites were the sci fi's.

Seems like a majority of the stuff I got from American authors from the 50's through the early 70's envisioned a better future than the later stuff seems to. And I remember the little newspapers, the architecture experiments, labs, people trying things, because we were still investing in our neighbors and our country. It is interesting to note the change in the literature as we let people sell off our future...




Martin Eden

(12,786 posts)
29. "people flying around in their personal Jetson-mobile"
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:26 AM
Dec 2012

I grew up in the 60's, and most of us believed that technological progress & increased productivity would substantially improve our standard of living. Average Americans wouldn't have to work as many hours and could spend more quality time with their family and doing all kinds of things that enhance quality of life.

Well, there have been amazing technological advancements & increases in productivity ... but the benefits and financial rewards have been skimmed off the top by an ownership class that is amassing huge wealth while the American Dream for most people is in decline.

The Republican Party is fighting tooth & nail to perpetuate & accelerate that decline. When is the other half of this country gonna wake the fuck up and see they've been slitting their own throats voting for those assholes??

csziggy

(34,115 posts)
31. Andre Norton SF was pretty close to the truth
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:13 PM
Dec 2012

In her books that featured the "Dipple" - an interstellar refugee camp turned slum. Lots of very poor people with a few very very rich. The poor survive by scrounging or stealing with many in effective slavery. Refugees from planets destroyed by war or pollution stuck in slums on planets with no space or use for them.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
32. Magazine covers and heads were filled with these fantastic images.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:58 PM
Dec 2012


I kinda preferred more mechanical and electrical engineering sci fi than those that centered more around mind fantasy and characters. Comes from being a fixer of things, I think. (Though I really liked Stranger in a Strange Land, so not always, eh?).

Anyway, we were on our way to building those visions, maybe wouldn't have had to worry about food stamps and housing. Why did we choose this divergence? I forget.

csziggy

(34,115 posts)
33. Yes, the Star Trek future was our goal
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 09:48 PM
Dec 2012

Though there were rough times between the 1960s and when Kirk was made Captain! We all just thought about the wonderful future with no thought of how we'd get there.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
15. I think the deal is that the 1% make out like bandits and the 99% get screwed.
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:58 PM
Nov 2012

Remember, most of Congress are in the 1% or at least represent the 1%. They kindly allow us to vote but that doesnt mean they represent us.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
20. Hopefully the election will have some consequences for this type of imbalance in our countries
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:26 PM
Nov 2012

distribution of resources....

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
23. I have seen the post and "go getem Nancy". But call me back when we have results.
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:50 PM
Nov 2012

In the meantime, we have too many Republicans in the HOR.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
26. barack hussein obama
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:53 PM
Nov 2012

my president!

as proud (if not more) to have voted to re-elect him as i was to elect him.

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