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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:17 AM Nov 2012

UPDATED - Fox News: Tom Ricks Apologized For Benghazi Criticism; Ricks: No, I Didn’t

Last edited Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:29 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: TPM

Fox News Channel executive vice president Michael Clemente on Monday responded to the much-discussed interview with Tom Ricks, claiming that the Pulitizer Prize winner apologized privately for criticizing the network's coverage of the September attack in Benghazi, Libya. In an interview with the Hollywood Reporter, Clemente accused Ricks of using the interview to generate publicity for his new book, The Generals. Clemente also seemed to take exception to the lack of public contrition from Ricks.

“When Mr. Ricks ignored the anchor’s question, it became clear that his goal was to bring attention to himself -- and his book," Clemente told THR via email. "He apologized in our offices afterward but doesn’t have the strength of character to do that publicly."

But that's news to Ricks, who told THR in his own email that he never offered an apology to Fox — privately or publicly. "Please ask Mr. Clemente what the words of my supposed apology were. I'd be interested to know," Ricks said. "Frankly, I don't remember any such apology."

Watch the exchange between Ricks and Scott:



Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/fox-news-tom-ricks-apologized-for-benghazi-criticism



Tom Ricks: Fox’s Bret Baier Knows I Didn’t Apologize

UPDATE: TOM KLUDT 3:23 PM EST, TUESDAY NOVEMBER 27, 2012

Author Tom Ricks continued his battle with Fox News on Tuesday in a series of emails with TPM, insisting that he never really apologized for attacking the network's coverage of the September attack in Benghazi in his now-viral interview.

Fox executive Michael Clemente has repeatedly said that Ricks apologized to the network following the Monday interview. But in the email to TPM, Ricks called Clemente's account "misleading."

"Rather than quote an offhand departure comment that is misleading, you should ask Bret Baier about the conversation I had with him after the interview," Ricks told TPM. "It was lengthy, and on point. And contained no apologies."

"You pretty much have my end of it," Ricks wrote in another email. "But there is more to be told by Fox."

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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ricks-foxs-bret-baier-knows-i-didnt-apologize
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UPDATED - Fox News: Tom Ricks Apologized For Benghazi Criticism; Ricks: No, I Didn’t (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2012 OP
That's pretty funny. They are so pathetic. mucifer Nov 2012 #1
Someone is lying.... curiousdemo Nov 2012 #38
LOL. It just keeps getting better and better. PA Democrat Nov 2012 #2
Who'ya gonna to believe? KansDem Nov 2012 #3
What he actually said: "I am sorry that any American actually watches you and ChairmanAgnostic Nov 2012 #4
Faux Snooze has zero credibility, and their lying has become more brazen and frequent. bulloney Nov 2012 #5
The flock would never do such a thing to begin with. kentauros Nov 2012 #11
Isn't there anything that Fox News won't lie about? Dakota Flint Nov 2012 #6
No. That's their raison d'être. freshwest Nov 2012 #15
If they're not lying... dchill Nov 2012 #43
Welcome to DU, Dakota Flint! calimary Nov 2012 #47
Thank you for your welcome but Dakota Flint Nov 2012 #54
I have indeed found that at times - sometimes the low-post-count means exactly what you describe. calimary Nov 2012 #61
What a pathetic pile of fail. catbyte Nov 2012 #7
WOW! Plucketeer Nov 2012 #8
What's one more lie to the people that built Bullshit Mountain? Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #9
From what I have read/heard ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #10
From the snippets John2 Nov 2012 #37
True that ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #42
I knew he didn't, yesterday faux claimed he apologized in studio and didn't have the stones to sarcasmo Nov 2012 #12
Wow. Ricks tells the truth about faux news and their response is to slander him caveat_imperator Nov 2012 #32
Welcome to DU, caveat_imperator! calimary Nov 2012 #50
Now, if ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #13
Ricks did not "ignore" Scott's question. He just did not answer it to his liking. yellowcanine Nov 2012 #14
If you don't say what they want to hear, they hear nothing. LisaLynne Nov 2012 #17
Fox (R) lying about their lies Berlum Nov 2012 #16
Funny way of drawing attention to your book nxylas Nov 2012 #18
Yeah I didn't hear Ricks mention the book either. yellowcanine Nov 2012 #21
I need to get some popcorn. Jennicut Nov 2012 #19
what does it say about the strength of character of someone who would lie.. frylock Nov 2012 #20
Be seein' ya! SCVDem Nov 2012 #22
The HMS Pox News The Wizard Nov 2012 #23
Hee hee.....he hasn't changed! Good on him! nt MADem Nov 2012 #24
So the whole segment was just a lead into this lass talking about cyber Monday? Botany Nov 2012 #25
He answered the question on Benghazi. The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #26
it became clear that his goal was to bring attention to himself AlbertCat Nov 2012 #27
It sounds like he answered the question to me. blackspade Nov 2012 #28
Ignored the anchor's question? reflection Nov 2012 #29
Rachel needs to invite him blue_heron Nov 2012 #30
Welcome to DU, blue_heron! calimary Nov 2012 #49
Ricks looks like the kind of guy who would put your teeth down your throat for lying on him alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #31
Good point! Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #35
I hope he sics his lawyer on them for this. caveat_imperator Nov 2012 #33
From Ron Suskind's "The One Percent Doctrine": coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #34
Haha! Ricks is my new hero!!!! hue Nov 2012 #36
LOL Rob H. Nov 2012 #39
Too much Benghazi DEMLISTENER Nov 2012 #40
Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #41
Welcome to DU, DEMLISTENER! calimary Nov 2012 #48
Fox owes the American people & the FCC an apology for ATTEMPTED impersonation of a news organization Faryn Balyncd Nov 2012 #44
Now They're Lying About An Apology .. Oh yeah, Fox sorry .. YOHABLO Nov 2012 #45
Fox claims Ricks said, ""Sorry…I’m tired from a non-stop book tour." SunSeeker Nov 2012 #46
We said Clemente was a Liar on Monday. nm Cha Nov 2012 #51
Beautiful! LisaMCdonald Nov 2012 #52
THE LIGHTBULB JUST WENT OFF!!!!!! mikki35 Nov 2012 #53
You could tell by the smile on his face at the end Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #55
Ricks should sue for slander ashling Nov 2012 #56
More and More from Bullsh*t Mountain dregstudios Nov 2012 #57
I hate faux more and more Sadiedog Nov 2012 #58
Fox News - where republican sheep go to be told what to think nakocal Nov 2012 #59
Fox had him on to promote his book Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #60
A little sun light of truth shone on Bullshit Mountain n/t Yavin4 Nov 2012 #62
We should be grateful that Faux news has jumped the shark so publicly BootinUp Nov 2012 #63
Fox has no class at all. I hope when John Scott does his weekly show on the media that he addresses hrmjustin Nov 2012 #64
If I was Ricks I'd simple say davidpdx Nov 2012 #65

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
4. What he actually said: "I am sorry that any American actually watches you and
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:23 AM
Nov 2012

believes that the crap you air is fact. What a sorry bunch of liars and GOP PR jerks you are."

Michael Clemente: "See? He said sorry! Twice!"

Ricks: "Sigh!"

Michael Clemente: " He just proved our point again!"

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
5. Faux Snooze has zero credibility, and their lying has become more brazen and frequent.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:24 AM
Nov 2012

It's like they don't care. They feel that they have enough of a base of dumb sheep who won't check on them for accuracy.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
11. The flock would never do such a thing to begin with.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:49 AM
Nov 2012

Fox is their only source of news. They likely don't even know about this story

calimary

(81,179 posts)
47. Welcome to DU, Dakota Flint!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:47 PM
Nov 2012

No. And - to use that phrase I HATE: "both sides," they do indeed lie about both sides. They make up all kinds of bad stuff about people on our side, in any way possible. They ignore and/or cover up all kinds of bad stuff about people on their side, also in any way possible.

Glad you're here! The more of us who see through their lies and other assorted bullshit, the better!!!!!

 

Dakota Flint

(219 posts)
54. Thank you for your welcome but
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:15 PM
Nov 2012

I've been with DU daily since 2004. Just don't say much but appreciate the thought.

calimary

(81,179 posts)
61. I have indeed found that at times - sometimes the low-post-count means exactly what you describe.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:41 PM
Nov 2012

Even so! Glad you're here, even if you don't weigh in a lot!

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
8. WOW!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:29 AM
Nov 2012

What's SO laughable here is that we don't NEED Dorothy to "pull back the curtain" - the folks behind it are showing themselves voluntarily!

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
9. What's one more lie to the people that built Bullshit Mountain?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:35 AM
Nov 2012

If they told the truth just once, now that would stand out.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
10. From what I have read/heard ...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:47 AM
Nov 2012
“When Mr. Ricks ignored the anchor’s question, it became clear that his goal was to bring attention to himself -- and his book," Clemente told THR via email.


Ricks' book, entitled: The Generals, has nothing to do with Bengazi. And that makes since because the book was written long before Bengazi reached the rightwing lexicon.

That said ... the apology that Clemente speaks of was, "Sorry folks ... I gotta put an end to this fox-promoted lie."
 

John2

(2,730 posts)
37. From the snippets
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:36 PM
Nov 2012

Mr Ricks was giving an explanation and it was Fox News that cut the interview off. What is I'm missing here? I didn't see Ricks ignore anything but the Fox anchor just didn't like what he was hearing from Mr Ricks on live air. This is the same strategy that I see with the whole Republican propaganda machine. They try to change every discussion to fit their views of things. I don't consider FOX a news organization at all, but a tool for Rupert Murdoch, so he can influence Public Opinion towards his views. That was a technique perfected by the Nazi Party and Joseph Goerbbels during the rise of the Third Reich.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
42. True that ...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:25 PM
Nov 2012

The first rule of examination/cross examination ... Never ask a question for which you do not know the answer (and have memorialized somewhere ... in course the subject goes off script).

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
12. I knew he didn't, yesterday faux claimed he apologized in studio and didn't have the stones to
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:50 AM
Nov 2012

apologize publicly.

caveat_imperator

(193 posts)
32. Wow. Ricks tells the truth about faux news and their response is to slander him
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:43 PM
Nov 2012

and risk being taken to court?

calimary

(81,179 posts)
50. Welcome to DU, caveat_imperator!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:59 PM
Nov 2012

Glad you're here! I dunno - does anybody sue for slander and/or libel in situations like this? Frankly, I think that should happen - and A LOT. Tie them up in court and force them to prove what they said was not a lie or an attempt to mislead. But it seems to me that if it was doable, Pox Noise would have been sued so often that it'd be bankrupted.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
13. Now, if ...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:51 AM
Nov 2012

THR (whoever that is) were a journalistic organization, they would do as Ricks requests, no challenges, and ask Clemente, "what the words of (Ricks') supposed apology were."

Then print the response ... if any.

yellowcanine

(35,698 posts)
14. Ricks did not "ignore" Scott's question. He just did not answer it to his liking.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:57 AM
Nov 2012

There is a difference. Scott and Fox News got punked by Ricks and they are having a lot of trouble handling that, given that Ricks has military creds and they don't. I also do not believe that Ricks apologized.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
17. If you don't say what they want to hear, they hear nothing.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:00 PM
Nov 2012

This illustrates that perfectly. And I also agree with you that Ricks did NOT apologize. It's really pathetic that they made that up.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
18. Funny way of drawing attention to your book
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:00 PM
Nov 2012

The only mentions I saw of it were in the onscreen graphics and captions. Ricks himself never mentioned it.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
20. what does it say about the strength of character of someone who would lie..
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:23 PM
Nov 2012

about the strength of someone's character? fuck these lying assholes. fuck. them.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
22. Be seein' ya!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:29 PM
Nov 2012

On all the talk shows, comedy news, and with up to the minute reports from MSNBC.

Shine the light on the lies!

Would CNN have him on live?

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
23. The HMS Pox News
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:38 PM
Nov 2012

has struck a reef and is floundering on the rocks. It is the Titanic of broadcasting, losing money just to push an untenable political agenda. Throw them anchors (no pun intended). Unleash the sharks and barracudas.

Botany

(70,480 posts)
25. So the whole segment was just a lead into this lass talking about cyber Monday?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:45 PM
Nov 2012



But to those that live in the Fox Bubble they will still think that Tom Ricks apologized
to Fox for being rude.
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
27. it became clear that his goal was to bring attention to himself
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:02 PM
Nov 2012

Uh.... what, did he FORCE his way on your show, or did you ask him to come on? Who goes on TV NOT to "bring attention to himself"? Exactly how do you interview someone and ask their opinion (because the are an expert)without bringing attention to them????

What the hell is Fox News obviously lying about now?

blue_heron

(223 posts)
30. Rachel needs to invite him
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:14 PM
Nov 2012

on her show, so he can repeat what he said, and he can say he didn't apologize, and he can continue making his point without having his interview ended abruptly.

the point he was making was very valid. There are many lives lost that are not scrutinized, where something went very wrong, and lessons could be learned.

calimary

(81,179 posts)
49. Welcome to DU, blue_heron!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:56 PM
Nov 2012

Wouldn't surprise me if that happened somewhere on MSNBC's prime time lineup. I'd almost expect it to show up on Al Sharpton's show. He's been getting some pretty great scoops - including the first interview I'm aware of, with James Earl Carter IV - complete with Carter's new vintage video find (in this case, it was lee atwater holding court with eager acolytes, talking about the rationale for dog-whistle messaging.

Happy you're here with us! We need you! Stay vigilant!

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
31. Ricks looks like the kind of guy who would put your teeth down your throat for lying on him
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:39 PM
Nov 2012

I'd be careful in Georgetown bars if i was Michael Clemente.

caveat_imperator

(193 posts)
33. I hope he sics his lawyer on them for this.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:48 PM
Nov 2012

Aren't these false claims that Ricks apologized and is too cowardly to do so in public outright slander?

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
34. From Ron Suskind's "The One Percent Doctrine":
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:50 PM
Nov 2012
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

Rob H.

(5,350 posts)
39. LOL
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:50 PM
Nov 2012

So he callls Faux News on their bullshit in public, on the air and they think he won't call them on their bullshit when they're not on the air? That just proves that in addition to being liars, the blow-dried talking heads and their handlers at Faux are stupid and cowardly, too!

DEMLISTENER

(1 post)
40. Too much Benghazi
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:33 PM
Nov 2012

Sick of hearing about this from the talking heads, but especially the senators and congressmen. If this is the most important thing they have to worry about as our economy tanks I would advise they retire and/or step down and make room for the next generation with some fresh ideas.

calimary

(81,179 posts)
48. Welcome to DU, DEMLISTENER!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:53 PM
Nov 2012

Good to have you here! Basically they're clinging to ANYTHING that might a) take their limited minds off the FACT that even they can't ignore - that President Obama was reelected; and b) serve as raw material they can use to manipulate public opinion, turn citizens against our President, and maybe, just maybe, use it to drum up enough of a scandal that they can somehow plant the seeds for impeachment. Because Hell knows they sure weren't able to get rid of him on Election Night.

If voter suppression doesn't work, there's always voter nullification. Unfortunately, these assholes don't know when to quit. Which means we've GOT to stay vigilant!!!

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
45. Now They're Lying About An Apology .. Oh yeah, Fox sorry ..
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:01 PM
Nov 2012

we called you on you BS and now to save face you just make up another lie. Fascist pigs!

SunSeeker

(51,545 posts)
46. Fox claims Ricks said, ""Sorry…I’m tired from a non-stop book tour."
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:20 PM
Nov 2012
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/27/tom-ricks-didnt-apologize-fox-news-interview_n_2197136.html

Even if he actually said that, I don't see that as taking back the statements he made in the interview. At best, it is an explanation for his bluntness. I am glad he didn't have the energy to use euphemisms. It is about time someone told it like it is on Fox.

LisaMCdonald

(21 posts)
52. Beautiful!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:18 PM
Nov 2012

Faux SnoozeFighting with their own guests/experts?
Fox News is going down, Laura ingraham is going off the air, Repubs are leaving Grover Norquist, Donald Trump said we Repubs have to stop being so hateful .... now were getting somewhere!

Now this change I can Believe in.... Music to my EARS....

mikki35

(111 posts)
53. THE LIGHTBULB JUST WENT OFF!!!!!!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:20 PM
Nov 2012

I get it now! I get it! Yahoo!!!

THIS is where they got their completely bogus Obama "APOLOGY TOUR" BS!!!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
55. You could tell by the smile on his face at the end
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:23 PM
Nov 2012

that he knew exactly what he was doing......and he was not remorseful.

Tom Ricks, my newest hero.

dregstudios

(48 posts)
57. More and More from Bullsh*t Mountain
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:49 PM
Nov 2012

The talking heads guarding the inhabitants of Bullsh*t Mountain from rejoining the world of the sane just won't budge an inch will they? Fox News is a propaganda machine which dumbs down America by the day through disinformation and their slanted agendas. See their anchors spewing forth feces from their mouths in my visual homage to the network on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-fox-news-scylla-guardian-of-bullsht.html

Sadiedog

(353 posts)
58. I hate faux more and more
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:58 PM
Nov 2012

and when I think that I could not possibly dislike them more something else happens. I feel the same way about the party they shill for! It`s weird that growing up I always knew that Republicans would hate me and all I stand for but there were times when a few of them seemed reasonable. Now it`s like all the crazies took over and Wow! I was actually feeling so good after the election hoping that things might get better but now I have my doubts!

BootinUp

(47,135 posts)
63. We should be grateful that Faux news has jumped the shark so publicly
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:07 AM
Nov 2012

They have truly exposed themselves in the last couple of years beyond anyone's doubt.

And thank you Mr. Ricks for your straight and honest assessment while on air in the devils den.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
64. Fox has no class at all. I hope when John Scott does his weekly show on the media that he addresses
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:14 AM
Nov 2012

this.

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