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Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:04 PM

Libyan Militia Plans To Execute 12 Gay Men

Source: ThinkProgress


By Zack Ford on Nov 26, 2012 at 11:45 am

An extremist militia in Libya has captured twelve men and promised to mutilate and execute them for being gay. The group posted pictures of them on Facebook, describing them as the “third sex,” a regional derogatory term comparable to “queers.”

Human Rights Watch Libya identified the group as Al-Nawasi militia, know for championing Salafist jihad. Al-Nawasi has claimed to have become a legal part of the Libyan Ministry of Interior, pledging to remove “corruption” and “vice,” such as alcohol and homosexuality.

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Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/11/26/1235861/libyan-militia-plans-to-execute-12-gay-men/

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Reply Libyan Militia Plans To Execute 12 Gay Men (Original post)
DonViejo Nov 2012 OP
KamaAina Nov 2012 #1
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #5
Ken Burch Nov 2012 #9
KamaAina Nov 2012 #10
Prometheus Bound Nov 2012 #11
Xithras Nov 2012 #13
Ken Burch Nov 2012 #15
Ken Burch Nov 2012 #14
Ken Burch Nov 2012 #16
KamaAina Nov 2012 #17
Ken Burch Nov 2012 #18
KamaAina Nov 2012 #19
Ken Burch Nov 2012 #22
tblue Nov 2012 #2
David__77 Nov 2012 #3
arely staircase Nov 2012 #4
UnseenUndergrad Nov 2012 #8
closeupready Nov 2012 #20
al bupp Nov 2012 #6
closeupready Nov 2012 #21
joshcryer Nov 2012 #23
Fearless Nov 2012 #7
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #12

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:07 PM

1. Yay Arab Spring!

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:51 PM

5. That is not the Arab Spring...

It's the product of the US-EU intervention in Libya. That's why these people are now in power there.

So your ironic statement should be: Yay US bombing of Libya.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:27 AM

9. You're saying Qadaffi didn't execute gays?

This is horrible, but no, it doesn't mean that things would be better if the old tyrants had been saved by the U.S. None of those regimes were ever going to reform or democratize.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:28 PM

10. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...

We got fooled again.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:39 PM

11. I'll say it: "Gaddafi didn't execute gays."

Lesbian and gay sex was illegal under Section 407.4 of the Libyan Constitution during the Gaddafi regime, but the maximum punishment was five years.

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Response to Prometheus Bound (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:13 PM

13. Just like many other socialist nations.

People tended to forget, especially during the Arab Spring, that many of these middle eastern thugs are actually holdover socialist dictatorships from the Cold War era. Prior to the revolution, Libya was indisputably an authoritarian redistributive socialist state similar to Cuba.

Just as with the former USSR, North Korea today, Cuba before 1979, and most other authoritarian socialist states, homosexuality was treated as a disorder and its practice was a crime. Gays would often be arrested, imprisoned, and "treated", but executions were not sanctioned. It certainly happened in some cases, but was never an authorized or organized thing. It was a crime, like any other, which meant that you were sentenced, did your time in jail, and were released.

The Arab Spring replaced Libyan authoritarian socialism with an Islamic democratic capitalist state. We can argue about whether that change is good or bad, but it unquestionably means that some social forces that had previously been repressed are now free to operate openly, and they aren't all interesting in building a "better and more democratic" Libya.



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Response to Xithras (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:57 PM

15. I stand corrected, then.

n/t.

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Response to Prometheus Bound (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:56 PM

14. OK...I didn't know that.

Thanks for the info.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:01 PM

16. So you'd have said "Yay, AMerican Revolution!"(sarcasm smilie)

because of slavery and the genocide against Native Americans?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:42 PM

17. When you put it that way,

probably.

Oh, and you left out the nearly constant warmongering.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:51 AM

18. I appreciate the consistency.

The point I was trying to make is...this is a moment an unspeakably bad moment, but it doesn't discredit the whole Arab Spring. The Spring is very much alive, as the revolt against Morsi's power grab demonstrates.

It's a horrific thing that these men were killed...but the story isn't over yet...and this doesn't prove that it would have been better to leave the old regimes in power.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:04 AM

19. I never meant it would be better

merely that the promise of a newly democratized region has yet to materialize, and, it seems, is being eclipsed by Iranian-style Islamist theocracy.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:23 PM

22. And the same could have been written of the U.S. in 1799

When slavery still existed, the Native American genocide had just begun, and there was a STATE OF EMERGENCY in effect
(The Alien and Sedition Acts)that harshly suppressed free speech and the rights of opposition groups to function.

The U.S. really only got close to being a free and civilized country in the 1960's, when the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts were passed. For much of our history, the majority wasn't allowed to vote and most people were illiterate. There was crushing poverty in much of the land. Being LGBT here was pretty much the same as being LGBT in Saudi Arabia(ok, there weren't public executions, but there were massive numbers of unpunished murders of LGBT people).

Before 1964, we could fairly have said that the American Revolution was a joke. So how harshly can we judge nations that are just beginning THEIR revolutions?

Condemn the specific wrongs...don't condemn the dreams.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:08 PM

2. Oh hell!

Can the UN or somebody negotiate and get them out of there?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:42 PM

3. There will be more of this from the NATO-installed authorities.

And there should be no mistake about it: these are the forces that were installed by NATO, which systematically destroyed the state power that used to put these radical Salafists in prison where they belong.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:50 PM

4. this will not turn out well for either these poor twelve men

or end on a happy note for the "Al-Nawasi militia".

Libya elected, unlike Egypt, a liberal government. If these violent freaks kill these men I would bet their own violent demise will not be far behind.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:22 AM

8. I wish we could rec comments.

Instead we get inundated by 18 month old sound bites from people who hold onto their suspicion and paranoia like a shield.

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Response to UnseenUndergrad (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:26 AM

20. +1000. I'm finding "Trash Thread"'s value to be irreplaceable

lately.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:47 AM

6. The original source for this report has the following quote from a gay Libyan man...

Speaking with Gay Star News, a Libyan LGBT activist nicknamed Khaleed stated: ‘We never had any gay nightclubs in Libya, so it is not uncommon for Libyans - straight, bisexual and gay men to party in a private space, drink, dance, have fun and sometimes even have sex.

‘That fact that they were captured by this extreme Salafist militia is very worrying.

‘The situation for LGBT people after the revolution generally improved, people can meet each other more easily than under the Qadaffi regime, although, of course we still have to be very discreet and careful.

From: Twelve men to be executed by Libyan militia for allegedly being gay

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Response to al bupp (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:38 AM

21. Right, a situation akin (if worse) to what existed for US gay people

in the 50's. Do the sex with other men, but don't admit to it; if called out for it, claim "there was a lack of available women", "I was drunk", "I did it for money only", i.e., whatever you say, you can't say you did it because you wanted to. Heterosexual marriage is essentially mandatory, ditto childbearing, etc. Deviations from the norm will result in prison terms, torture, homosexual rape, even death.

It's difficult to see how pernicious the closet is unless you've lived it. It's not such a wonderful life, after all.

And sadly for gays in Libya, they are discovering why silence does equal death.

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Response to al bupp (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:28 AM

23. Apparently Al Nawasi is denying that they'll execute the men:

http://www.libyaherald.com/2012/11/29/transvestite-alerted-nawasi-brigade-to-gay-birthday-party-in-ain-zara/

I don't know if the anti-gay law is still in effect but they were clearly pissed about what was going on on their turf.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:35 AM

7. Fucking assholes!

(And I mean that as a bad thing.)

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:40 PM

12. So much for human rights.

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