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Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:57 PM

White House To Boehner: Obamacare Not Part Of Fiscal Cliff Deal

Source: Huffington Post

The White House and congressional Democrats are balking at the idea, floated by House Speaker John Boehner on Wednesday, that changes to the president's signature health care law should be on the table during lame-duck talks over taxes and the deficit.

An administration official told The Huffington Post that the president would oppose involving the Affordable Care Act in the negotiations taking place to stave off the so-called "fiscal cliff." A top Senate Democratic aide called the idea "absolutely" a non-starter.

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The comments came in response to an op-ed, written by Boehner for the Cincinnati Enquirer, in which he declared that the Affordable Care Act "has to stay on the table as both parties discuss ways to solve our nationís massive debt challenge."

The speaker has made this point before, holding 33 votes during the past two years to wipe the law from the books. His appetite for this specific fight seemed to wane a bit after the 2012 elections, when he told ABC News that Obamacare was now the law of the land. But he quickly walked back that remark, and his op-ed ends the talk, for the time being, that House Republicans have given up on the idea of full repeal.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/21/boehner-obamacare-fiscal-cliff_n_2171564.html



The House Republicans have apparently decided to triple down on crazy. I guess there plan is to be even less productive than the 112th Congress, hope that Americans don't turn out and blame Democrats for the poison atmosphere in D.C., then with the help of SuperPAC money in a midterm election, take over the Senate. So, watch the Republicans get even more racist, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, anti-tax than before, and hope that Americans and the media give them a free pass and blame Democrats for not being bi-partisan enough.

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Reply White House To Boehner: Obamacare Not Part Of Fiscal Cliff Deal (Original post)
TomCADem Nov 2012 OP
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #1
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #6
freshwest Nov 2012 #8
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #17
sheshe2 Nov 2012 #26
cui bono Nov 2012 #13
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #16
Demit Nov 2012 #25
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #33
AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #14
The Wizard Nov 2012 #2
SoapBox Nov 2012 #7
still_one Nov 2012 #12
think Nov 2012 #27
Andy823 Nov 2012 #28
on point Nov 2012 #3
flamingdem Nov 2012 #4
ReRe Nov 2012 #5
woo me with science Nov 2012 #9
forestpath Nov 2012 #24
DallasNE Nov 2012 #10
truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #11
NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #15
Cha Nov 2012 #18
mrf901 Nov 2012 #19
BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #20
DWinNJ Nov 2012 #21
SDjack Nov 2012 #22
Andy Stanton Nov 2012 #23
cstanleytech Nov 2012 #29
nobodyspecial Nov 2012 #30
TomCADem Nov 2012 #31
Andy Stanton Nov 2012 #32
cstanleytech Nov 2012 #34
Doctor_J Nov 2012 #35
Flying Squirrel Nov 2012 #36
Liberalynn Nov 2012 #37
mrmule Nov 2012 #38
wordpix Nov 2012 #39
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #40
geckosfeet Nov 2012 #41
sarcasmo Nov 2012 #42
libodem Nov 2012 #43

Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:02 AM

1. Next we'll have a few recalcitrant and anti-Obama and Democratic Party

DUers here wailing that President Obama has put ObamaCare on the table cuz the media and Boehner said so.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:01 AM

6. I thought they were already doing that?

The meme will of course be that the White House didn't say "fuck off" fast enough.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:22 AM

8. Yeah, that's how it works. Or they can't hear it...

The Democrats who want to preserve these programs will get out and vote. OFA must continue through 2014, because those who stayed home in 2010 for the same reasons being offered now, will be swayed again. The people who stood in line and elected Obama this year, must be helped to stay active. Those who have given up, aren't going to get the job done. The GOP is not going to give up one bit, but Obama cannot do this by himself.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:34 AM

17. Exactly.

And then the threats will follow . . . but there's no more threatening holding out their vote for him. Instead, they have to attack other Democratic voters and discredit Democratic pols. Too bad for them, President Obama was well aware of their temper tantrums and fickle natures (he got a good taste of it in 2010 although they all SWEAR they had voted for him, heck, even canvased for him and registered new voters for him - uh-huh) and that's why he solved that problem by broadening his voting coalition. I bet that strategy made them plenty angry.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:34 AM

26. They are and their Noise is hurting my ears!

However.... PO is on it.... He is taking it to the People this time! He is going to make his case in public.
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2012/11/changing-washington-from-outside.html

Let's make congress hear our voices loud and clear!

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:08 AM

13. Or maybe we'll have DUers creating an us vs. them within our community

by complaining about other DUers - before anything was even said, although that does fit the "they don't have a right to express their thoughts if they're going to say anything critical about PBO" attitude - rather than discussing the issues.

How about sticking to the point and discussing issues instead of attacking others on the board?

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Response to cui bono (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:28 AM

16. Oh, I get it. Say something and get flamed by opposing DUers

who clearly can't stand President Obama, and when I fight back, I'm the one creating a division within our community. Is that how it works in your upside world?

Everyone has a right to express their views and thoughts, and NOWHERE in my post can you claim that I've stated otherwise, but it's pretty clear you don't believe that's a two-way street. Why? Am I not worthy?

How about you take your own advice and YOU stick to the point and discuss issues instead of attacking ME, a fellow DUer, on this board? It would lend more credibility to your oh so sage advice.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:30 AM

25. "Next we'll have a few recalcitrant and anti-Obama and Democratic Party DUers here wailing"

Seems to me you were first out of the gate in attacking DUers.

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Response to Demit (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:53 PM

33. It was a generalization. Are you denying this is happening?

You can't because it is, and it's happening all across this community MB. I know this because I'm the "lucky" recipient of being labeled a "cheerleader", so I stand by my posts.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:35 AM

14. Wow

n/t

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:10 AM

2. Military waste

has to be cut first. Then negotiations can begin in earnest. Will it come down to who spends more money on bribes, the insurance or defense lobby?

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:10 AM

7. Ditto!

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:52 AM

12. Military waste, and get out of Afghanistan earlier than 2014.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:46 AM

27. Amen. Tanks to Tractors....

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:03 AM

28. Go after oil subsidies

Along with big corporate farm subsidies and all corporate welfare. Of course republicans would "never" think about these things!

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:18 AM

3. Earth to Boehner, Earth to Boehner! You lost the election. Get real.

Last edited Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:52 AM - Edit history (2)

Their objectives are not driven by financial concerns, because most of their positions make the financial situation worse. They are driven by ideological views, and it is exactly those ideological views that were defeated. Not to mention they are out of touch with reality and those ideas simply don't add up or square with one another.

Social Security:
Not part of the debt at all, so simple to solve - raise the cap

Obama Care:
Actually SAVES the government money, AND society, including individuals substantial money
Want to save so more? -Implement single payer and SAVE estimated 30% !!!

Want to really cut some billions??
$ 500 billion per year form the military.
$150 billion invest in country infrastructure to off set the loss.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:44 AM

4. Boehner and his mafia should not be taken seriously

What's the point of negotiating with these clowns, the Republicans are irrelevant, time they should realize it

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:55 AM

5. Me thinks Mr Boehner has a case of Romnesia...

...didn't he just say the other day that "Obamacare is the law of the land"? Republicons' really do seem to be insane. Flip-flopping all over the place. Do you think they are just being facetious? Teasing us with silliness? What gives with these people????

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:22 AM

9. See? He's capable of saying, "NO, IT'S OFF THE TABLE."

This is not an issue of pathological shyness or poor negotiation skills.

Why the HELL doesn't he consider our already meager Social Security and Medicare safety nets - that help safeguard millions from poverty, despair, and death - important enough to take off the table?

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:15 AM

24. That doesn't make sense to me either!

 

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:30 AM

10. Much Of The ACA Has Not Kicked In Yet

So it makes no sense to have that as part of the "fiscal cliff" deal, especially since CBO has scored it as a deficit reducer. As it kicks in we need to monitor it closely and compare results with projections and adjust as needed but all of that is at least 3 years down the road. So far it has been a huge plus for me because I was able to keep my daughter on my health insurance plan and with her pre-existing conditions no insurance would have been available, except possibly Medicaid which would cost the taxpayers several thousands of dollars a year. People need to think before they go off the deep end. Any parent that has a child approaching adulthood with a pre-existing condition loves ACA for this feature alone. It is a huge deal!!!!

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:50 AM

11. Boehner himself is on the chopping block. That's why he's floating this bullshit.

He has to float it so that his base will relate to him, then feel sorry for him when Obama says no way.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:21 AM

15. Dear Mr. Boehner, the ACA is designed to LOWER the deficit BUT

we will accept some changes to lower it even further if you accept.

For example, including a Public Option with a 95% MRI and negotiating rights would lower Medical costs significantly. Although switching to a Medicare for All program which has overwhelming support would increase efficiently and lower costs exponentially. The impact would be that insurance companies would have to shift their emphasis, but they could easily shift to Medicare supplemental insurance as so many have already done.

So, Mr. Bohner, we would be willing to adjust the ACA in these areas. If you are really serious about lowering the National Debt.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:28 AM

18. Boner has shit for brains. Just trying to keep the teabagger fantasy

alive. Too bad our Dems and President has to put up with idiots like boner, ryan, cantor, etc etc while trying to move our country forward in a positive direction.

boner needs to take the fiscal cliff and shove it up......

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:36 AM

19. nothing will be part of the deal...

 

no deal, just hot air

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:13 AM

20. Message to Boehner:

The election proved that Obamacare is popular and that you are not.

Not only did President Obama win the electoral vote by a WIDE margin, he also won more than 52% of the popular vote - and that percentage is still going up as the last votes are being counted. The GOP may still be in the majority in the House, but by a quite a few seats less than before.

All that Dems have to do is simply to sit tight for the New Congress to be sworn in. Perhaps there are a few Rs whose re-elections were a LOT tougher than they expected who might see the handwriting on the wall once some of the crazies like Walsh and West are totally outta there. I'm not seriously expecting much, if any, of that because there are still too many crazy Rs left. But one can always hope for a mild outbreak of sanity in the GOP, even if that is extremely unlikely.

But you, your colleagues-in-arms and Norquist just do NOT "get" it. It wasn't just your messengers, although they were indeed awful.

It was the entirety of your message.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:23 AM

21. I'd like to see

Congressional pay on the table

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:31 AM

22. Reduce to zero the net gain moocher States are getting from Federal Govt.

They "built" their States themselves -- let them pay their operating costs.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:30 AM

23. I'm so pleased with Obama right now

He's actively involved in resolving tricky foreign policy issues and proceeding with his domestic initiatives. All this while telling the Rethugs to stick it.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:49 AM

29. But are the republicans right that it should be included?

I am not saying I disagree that we should have national healthcare for everyone regardless of income because I believe we actually should have that but I am questioning the math itself regarding the whole supposed fiscal cliff.
What do the numbers show would be the best balanced approach to resolving the mess and getting our nation our from under so much debt yet leaving intact as much as possible our varies social programs and our national defense?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:58 AM

30. No

Studies show that it will actually LOWER the debt when fully implemented.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:12 PM

31. Only If You Buy The False RW Talking Point That HCR Increases The Deficit

The CBO studies show that if fully implement, HCR will reduce the deficit. Indeed, analyses of Romney's proposal to repeal HCR and reduce the deficit often noted that these were two contradictory goals.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:35 PM

32. +1

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:01 PM

34. Thank you. nt

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:16 PM

35. there is no fiscal cliff

the WH is as usual using right-wing language going into the so-called negotiation. which will likely turn into a trouncing of real dem ideals.

No repeal of the ACA. No cuts to SS benefits. No cuts to Medicare benefits. No raising of elligibility ages. And no extension of the Bush/Obama tax cuts. Those are fixed.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:03 PM

36. It's a negotiating tactic meant to get Social Security and Medicare on the table.

They say, we asked for Obamacare to be on the table and you refused so now it's Social Security and Medicare. One or the other, or we don't budge. And they think Dems will cave because that's what we've always done.

I really hope this time will be different. The fiscal cliff is a hoax and scare politics need to be hit head-on.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:18 PM

37. I really don't believe the PUKES want a deal

they just want to continue trying to make the Senate and Congressional Democrats and Obama look bad because we beat them.

They are the equivalent of a child throwing a tantrum.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:02 PM

38. Mr. Prez..

Tell them it's your way or we roll back the Reagan tax cuts!!!

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:15 PM

39. message to Pres O: don't back down! We've got your back

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:28 PM

40. "Don't touch the profits made by the stockholders at the health insurance companies!"

 

Other than that, SS and Medicare are on the table.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:50 PM

41. bite it boehner - keep your mitts off my healthcare, and ssi, and medicare, and retirement plans

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:51 PM

42. White House to cry baby, you have no power.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:38 PM

43. Stop calling it Obamacare

And the dumbasses will love every bit of it.

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