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Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:35 PM

 

A Year in Jail for Not Believing in God? How Kentucky is Persecuting Atheists

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Source: AlterNet

In Kentucky, a homeland security law requires the state’s citizens to acknowledge the security provided by the Almighty God--or risk 12 months in prison.

The law and its sponsor, state representative Tom Riner, have been the subject of controversy since the law first surfaced in 2006, yet the Kentucky state Supreme Court has refused to review its constitutionality, despite clearly violating the First Amendment’s separation of church and state.

Read more: http://www.alternet.org/belief/year-jail-not-believing-god-how-kentucky-persecuting-atheists



Tom Riner is a "Democrat". Awful. I didn't know these kinds of people were still allowed in the Democratic Party. I'm not sure that many Republicans even want them around.

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Reply A Year in Jail for Not Believing in God? How Kentucky is Persecuting Atheists (Original post)
leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 OP
Archae Nov 2012 #1
SamKnause Nov 2012 #13
Wraith20878 Nov 2012 #17
mwb970 Nov 2012 #26
1monster Nov 2012 #2
kairos12 Nov 2012 #3
Kablooie Nov 2012 #4
marybourg Nov 2012 #5
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #7
littlemissmartypants Nov 2012 #19
penndragon69 Nov 2012 #6
nolabear Nov 2012 #8
leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #9
defacto7 Nov 2012 #10
The Wizard Nov 2012 #11
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #12
McCamy Taylor Nov 2012 #14
behindenemylins Nov 2012 #15
msongs Nov 2012 #16
YOHABLO Nov 2012 #18
Socal31 Nov 2012 #20
blkmusclmachine Nov 2012 #21
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #22
Kaleva Nov 2012 #23
BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #24
bowens43 Nov 2012 #25
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #27

Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:37 PM

1. Don't forget the Creation "museum" is in Kentucky.

Lots of Jay-zus freaks there.

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Response to Archae (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:12 AM

13. Religion

Don't forget the replica of the Ark that is costing the tax payers $35 million dollars.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:34 AM

17. I still can't believe there are people who take that story literally

It boggles the mind

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Response to Wraith20878 (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:06 AM

26. Especially since dozens of religions have similar stories.

The meme of a destructive flood sent by an angry god to purge mankind of evil is a staple of primitive religions. The names and details differ but the story is the same.

While we're discussing religious overlap, do you know of Mithraism?

1) Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense.
2) Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.
3) According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper” with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.
4) After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.
5) Mithra had a celibate priesthood.
6) Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).

Sound familiar?

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:38 PM

2. Does the law specify which god?

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:40 PM

3. Talibantucky

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:41 PM

4. Nobody expects the Kentucky inquisition!

These really yearn for the good old Middle Ages.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:42 PM

5. I doubt the Supreme Court will hear this appeal until and

unless someone is actually prosecuted under it. Until then it's so much blather.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:50 PM

7. unless someone is actually prosecuted under it.

Exactly.

There are all kinds of dumb laws on states' books that no one enforces.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:25 AM

19. Until doing so suits their needs...Woman Fired for Living With Boyfriend

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=127723&page=1#.UK3uh4f_qJI

July 3, 2004
What would you do if your boss told you to either get married, or else you would lose your job?

A rural sheriff's dispatcher says she was given this agonizing ultimatum for living with her boyfriend of 12 years in North Carolina. The state is one of seven with laws against cohabitation by unmarried, unrelated men and women.

As Debora Hobbs tells it, she was approached by her supervisor in Pender County for violating a statute that dates back to 1805. She then had a decision to make: Leave her job, get married, or move out...

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:44 PM

6. That's why ken-nutky is a coomon wealth.

As an Atheist myself, i find these Reich wing fascists absolutely disgusting.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:52 PM

8. Did you all read that thing? Strangest thing to be in a constitution I can imagine.

It's like they suddenly reverted to the middle ages in the middle of writing a legal document. Just bizarre. And I dare them to try to enforce anything, no matter what they might go around "declaring".

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Response to nolabear (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:56 PM

9. And does it talk about zoning boundaries and business permit prices in Mobile?

 

Or is that the Alabama constitution?

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:04 AM

10. Isn't this the second time this evening this has been posted?

Like, twice in an hour or so.

I also don't see any attack against atheists. It's a warning about not putting up the plaques.

It's a stupid law though.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:06 AM

11. One look at their senators

tells you there's a gene pool in need of a life guard.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:00 AM

12. Now I'm convinced the nuts are running the asylum

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:14 AM

14. Magical talismans to scare away bad luck.

Didn't the Bible say something about "false idols"?

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:24 AM

15. As Cincinnatians have said for years...

"Kentucky's a beautiful place just as long as the natives stay inside"

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:29 AM

16. christians are persecuting atheists. the "state" of Kentucky is unable to persecute anything nt

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:45 AM

18. All these southern states are full of religious nut jobs.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:30 AM

20. F That.

I don't believe in hokus pocus (sp).

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:48 AM

21. Church is a Cult.

Religion is a drug.

Get high on Gee Zeus.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:38 AM

22. I'm from KY and this is the first I've heard of it...

 

There's so much crazy here that it must've slipped through the cracks.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:46 AM

23. Apparently the only person who has to worry is the director of Kentucky Homeland Security

The law states that there must be a sign outside the Homeland Security building and if there isn't, then the penalty could be 12 months in jail.

"The law requires that plaques celebrating the power of the Almighty God be installed outside the state Homeland Security building--and carries a criminal penalty of up to 12 months in jail if one fails to comply. "

http://www.alternet.org/belief/year-jail-not-believing-god-how-kentucky-persecuting-atheists

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:38 AM

24. Such a law is patently unconstitutional. But its constitutionality can generally

be examined in court only when or if it is ever actually applied. There are quite a few state laws that could be considered unconstitutional. But one generally has to show actual harm/damage -or imminent harm/damage - before such laws can be challenged or struck down.

Then organizations like the ACLU and the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) can really get cracking. And yes, there is indeed such an organization as the FFRF. See at http://ffrf.org/legal

As for Riner's being a "Dem" - remember that being Dem does not necessarily mean that one actually has a functioning brain. It's just that the likelihood of having one is higher than if one is an "R" today. A lot of southerners called themselves Dems up until LBJ's Administration as blowback dating from Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, but they were certainly not political liberals. Additionally, the political tectonic plates began to shift in the 1930s and definitely since the 1960s. Today's Dem party is much closer to the spirit of Abraham Lincoln than the GOP is.

Mr Riner may simply have kept his D label because it may be easier for him to win local elections that way rather than having anything in common with most at DU, or liberal Dems anywhere.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:05 AM

25. As I have often said

the biggest threat to our freedom is christianity. Anyone who believes in invisible omnipotent magical beings is very very dangerous.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:19 AM

27. Locking - not Latest Breaking News

This is an ongoing situation, that started in 2006. This thread would be better in the Religion group. Thank you.

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