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Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:18 AM

Explosion hits Tel Aviv bus, at least 10 casualties

Source: RT

At least ten confirmed injured and three critical in an explosion on a bus in central Tel Aviv near Shaul Ha Melech Street. Police have reported that the blast was a terrorist attack.



Read more: http://rt.com/news/explosion-bus-tel-aviv-231/



Link changed to RT from the Mail : wasn't sure if the Mail link was to today or not : may have been a previous identical event.

Other references here : http://inagist.com/all/271194340691427328/

BBC live text link here ; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20422755

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Reply Explosion hits Tel Aviv bus, at least 10 casualties (Original post)
dipsydoodle Nov 2012 OP
Bosonic Nov 2012 #1
dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #2
FarCenter Nov 2012 #10
dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #11
zellie Nov 2012 #3
The Straight Story Nov 2012 #7
dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #12
JDPriestly Nov 2012 #16
Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #18
glacierbay Nov 2012 #19
OneMoreDemocrat Nov 2012 #27
Mosby Nov 2012 #33
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #20
JDPriestly Nov 2012 #25
glacierbay Nov 2012 #26
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #31
JDPriestly Nov 2012 #38
cpwm17 Nov 2012 #28
dlwickham Nov 2012 #23
Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #24
dlwickham Nov 2012 #34
Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #35
Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #37
trouble.smith Nov 2012 #4
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #5
leftynyc Nov 2012 #6
glacierbay Nov 2012 #8
Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #13
glacierbay Nov 2012 #14
Fozzledick Nov 2012 #15
azurnoir Nov 2012 #17
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #22
leftynyc Nov 2012 #29
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #32
War Horse Nov 2012 #9
R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #21
mallard Nov 2012 #30
oberliner Nov 2012 #36

Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:42 AM

1. image

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Response to Bosonic (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:47 AM

2. Thanks for that.

Hamas have claimed responsibility.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:42 AM

10. Fatah's Al Aqsa Martyr Brigade have claimed responsibility

Tel Aviv Bus Bombing Marks Two Bitter Enemies Joining Together Against Israel

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/tel-aviv-bombing-hamas-fatah-truce-2012-11

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:45 AM

11. Hamas claim was this morning UK time

I guess someone spoke out of turn.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:53 AM

3. The people who did this

 

are worse than disgusting.

No bs excuses.
No more bs rationalizations.

Sick f~<king bastards.

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Response to zellie (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:19 AM

7. I just wish we had as many news stories about the attacks on Gaza

Car with journalists targeted, a family of 10 blown up, etc.

One bus in Israel and no one died...big news.

#gaza

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:53 AM

12. And that's not all

Israel is destroying their infastrucure. The bridge they bombed yesterday has disconnected the north of Gaza from the rest of the country.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:53 AM

16. The bus in Israel is the reason for the deaths in Gaza.

The Palestinians, all of them, need to stop teasing Israelis into using violence. Israel has sworn never, never to allow a Jewish Holocaust again. The Palestinians go after Israelis in these stealth attacks that are rather isolated but on Israeli soil or property. This is precisely why I have so little sympathy for the Palestinians. They use terror as a technique to incite a reaction from Israelis and then sit back and laugh when so many people around the world blame the violence on the Israelis.

Many a younger, small child has used this technique on an older, bigger, more mature sibling.

The Palestinians need to grow up. We just don't resort to that kind of behavior when we are adults. We sit down and attempt to rationally resolve our differences.

Don't fall for this childish behavior on the part of Palestinians. It is a way to avoid growing up and taking responsibility for working with all, not just some, of their neighbors.

The Palestinians have been doing this for years. They are like fleas on the back of the horse. They just like to watch the Israeli tail switch, and they don't care how many of their children die in the making of the spectacle.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:57 AM

18. How come the murder of Palestinian children predates this bombing then? And how about the targeting

of journalist? Is that ok too?

Anything to justify dead children so it doesn't get in the way of fetishizing your most favored state?

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Response to Puregonzo1188 (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:09 PM

19. So have you condemned the firing of rockets into Israel yet?

 

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:02 PM

27. Nope...

 

And until Israel takes their boot off of the neck of the Palestinians, I will support whatever they have to do to fight back.

It's pretty simple really: get the fuck out and let them live their lives or deal with rockets dropped on your head, the 'right to exist' isn't just for Israel.

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Response to OneMoreDemocrat (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:41 AM

33. FYI, there are no Jews or Israelis in Gaza

And until Israel takes their boot off of the neck of the Palestinians, I will support whatever they have to do to fight back.


So do you support the murder of Israeli citizens? Is that kind of fighting back a moral position in your opinion?

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:13 PM

20. Um, technically speaking, the deaths in Gaza are the reason for the

 

busi in Israel, if chronology is any guide whatsoever.

Me, I prefer that peace-nik aphorism that "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind."

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:09 PM

25. Sorry. I'm old enough to remember the horrible terrorist acts

committed by Palestinians even in the 1960s.

No compassion for civilians.

Terror has been a Palestinian tool almost since I can remember. They justify their violence on the ground they face violence. But there will only be killing and more killing until the Palestinians decide to recognize legitimate borders for their neighbor Israel, to enforce the peace within the Palestinian communities and protect the border with Israel and forget about trying to turn history back and return to claimed homes located in what is now legally Israel.

The idea that Palestinians can return to live in the center of Israel is at this time absurd. Would we allow Al Qaeda to "return" to some location in the Midwest if our situations were like those of Palestine and Israel? No. Of course not. That would be like allowing people who hate you and want to kill you into your home.

The Palestinians need to rethink their "demands" and do unto the Israelis as they would have the Israelis do unto them. I think they would find Israelis very happy to compromise if the Palestinians made a reasonable offer.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:13 PM

26. My lovely wife was a member of the IDF in the early 70's

 

and she well remembers the bombings and terror attacks by the PLO, and she also fought in the Yom Kippur War so I'm with you on this.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:23 PM

31. "Terrorism," for want of a better word, is a tactic used by the weak

 

against militarily stronger forces.

Don't believe me? Check out what the Irgun Zwai Lum (whose membership included, among others, Menachem Begin and Ariel Sharon) did to the British in Palestine pre-1947. I can almost guarantee you'll find British politicians referring to the Lum's actions as 'terrorism.'

Still don't believe me? Check out what American officials labelled resistance to its puppets by the NLF in South Vietnam. I have actually seen news accounts from the time (pre-1963) where American officials and satraps called the tactics of the NLF 'terrorism.'

All I was trying to do was to insert a proper chronology. To wit, the Israeli air force bombs a two-story building and kills several women and children. Palestinians then detonate a bomb on Tel Aviv. Twist and turn though you will, the Israeli Air Force bombing preceded the Tel Aviv bus bombing.

Trying not to snark but it seems as though it's "terrorism" when Palestinians and Vietnamese do it. But when the Lum did it back in the 40s, the exact same tactics were viewed as valiant resistance to colonialism. What's sauce for the goose . . .

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 04:56 AM

38. The Palestinians attacked people on airplanes, on boats.

It was awful, just mean.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:47 PM

28. "Palestinians have been doing this for years. They are like fleas on the back of the horse"

"The Palestinians need to grow up." what imperial arrogance! I know which side in this conflict is racist.

Anyone without their head in their ass should clearly see who is responsible for this conflict. It's convenient for you to start history's clock at the time of some rocket attacks.

Both the US and Israel have very bad histories of firing far more than a few rockets at entirely innocent people. And few of the people we attack are members of nations that have both expelled us from our homelands and imprisoned us where we live.

You know, as well as I, that Americans would fire far more than a few rockets at a nation that tried to treat us as badly as Israel treats the Palestinians.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:07 PM

23. did you miss the OP

10 people died on that bus but I guess it was their fault for being in the path of a terrorist bomb

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:00 PM

24. That is not correct.. nobody died, 21 injured, 2 suspects from PFLP being pursued

 

when the OP (an early report--never the most accurate) said "10 casualties", that refers to injuries.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:17 PM

34. so you're okay with 21 people being hurt then?

just want to know where the line is

are 25 people too much

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:49 PM

35. How in the hell do you arrive at that conclusion?

 

How is it that THAT is what you interpreted from my posting?! I was correcting your misinformation about the story, and this is of course followed by rather shady misinformation about me personally. Seriously, just a pattern of awful reading comprehension there. Bravo.

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 04:29 AM

37. Well goodness my-oh-me, precisely where are my manners..

 

In the midst of all that defensive(*) vitriol earlier, I completely neglected to answer that entirely valid, and non-leading question:

...the threshold for me is actually 20 & 3/7ths.

Any more than that and I am NOT okay with it. However, I suspect that according to you, I am making a special exception this time. I'm not sure why, because you haven't told me yet. For expediency's sake, I have begun to strongly rely on certain others here to tell me what I actually think in these discussions, because the assumptions of my enemy are sometimes far more entertaining than the truth.


(*)--one might even say self-defensive, for I claim the right to self-defense against heinous, drive-by false accusations. Anybody who thinks that my response above was disproportionate is denying my right to exist and might possibly be anti-Scandinavian.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:57 AM

4. this should help the peace process

 

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:10 AM

5. An eye for an eye war rages on in the Middle East...

 

How many Israelis and Palestinians will end up blind?

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:22 AM

6. How does this help the Palestinians?

When are their leaders going to behave with their peoples best interest at heart?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:39 AM

8. They're not.

 

Hamas doesn't care about the people, they care about propaganda and the more people killed, the more propaganda for them. Hamas is nothing more than a terrorist group whose only goal is the destruction of Israel.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:56 AM

13. Speaking of propaganda...you've got the Israeli line down pat.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:03 AM

14. Why thank you

 

I'm glad I was able to please you.
Prove what I said wrong.

Do you approve of this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312701

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:07 AM

15. Truth is the best propaganda if you can use it.

But when you're defending terrorists, all you can use is the Big Lie.

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Response to Fozzledick (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:55 AM

17. why yes it is indeed but lacking that making stuff up especially prewritten stuff is best n/t

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:47 PM

22. How does what Israel is doing help the Israelis?

When are their leaders going to behave with their people's best interest at heart?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:09 PM

29. If you think this incident

helps the cause, you're dreaming.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:23 AM

32. I'm going to go out on a limb and say this attack by Israel won't stop the rockets..

Nothing the Israelis do is going to further cow the Palestinians at this juncture, Israel will have to kill them all to keep them from attacking.

After watching this for all of my adult life I've come to the conclusion that putting what the locals perceive to be a European colony in the Middle East after WWII was a remarkably bad idea that was preordained to eventual failure.

Islam seems to be particularly good at generating what Don Henley called "Wild eyed pistol wavers who ain't afraid to die", people who aren't afraid to die make fearsome enemies for those who are afraid to die.





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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:30 AM

9. According to Haaretz

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:35 PM

21. I/P violence sucks: as does all violence.


My heart goes out to the victims.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:06 PM

30. Re: conflicting claims of responsibility are coming in left and right ...

... making it clear that some people are fabricating blame on various Palestinian parties. Too bad these tenuous claims contribute to the rationale for continues Israeli strikes.

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Response to mallard (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:28 PM

36. There has been an arrest of an Israeli citizen for this

In collaboration allegedly with Palestinians in the West Bank.

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