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Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:23 AM

Ron Paul: Petitions on secession raise 'worthwhile questions'

Source: The Hill

Former presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-Texas) said in a blog post Monday that secession protests launched in the wake of President Obama's reelection "raise a lot of worthwhile questions about the nature of our union."

Thousands of Americans have signed digital petitions at least one from every state on the White House's "We the People" petition website. The administration has promised a response to every petition on the site that collects at least 25,000 signatures within 30 days. At least seven states, including Texas, have hit that mark.

Paul, writing on his congressional website, conceded that he "wouldn't hold my breath" on states, including his own, actually moving to leave the union. But he argues that "secession is a deeply American principle" rooted in the country's Revolutionary War that sought independence from Great Britain.

"There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents," Paul writes. "That is what our Revolutionary War was all about and today our own federal government is vastly overstepping its constitutional bounds with no signs of reform. In fact, the recent election only further entrenched the status quo."


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/268749-ron-paul-secession-petitions-raise-worthwhile-questions



Wow! Talk about a free pass. On the one hand, the right wing media goes crazy with a make believe Black Panther party as a force in American politics. Yet, the media gives Republicans a free pass on openly entertaining the break up of our union. What ever happened to America first?

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TomCADem Nov 2012 OP
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #1
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #2
SkyDaddy7 Nov 2012 #12
MADem Nov 2012 #3
satxdem Nov 2012 #4
SoapBox Nov 2012 #5
SoapBox Nov 2012 #6
SunSeeker Nov 2012 #7
ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2012 #8
William Seger Nov 2012 #9
msongs Nov 2012 #10
cheezmaka Nov 2012 #11
MyNameGoesHere Nov 2012 #14
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #25
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #35
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #34
MyNameGoesHere Nov 2012 #37
loyalkydem Nov 2012 #13
jsr Nov 2012 #15
John2 Nov 2012 #16
oldbanjo Nov 2012 #17
Arkana Nov 2012 #18
Dustlawyer Nov 2012 #19
Ter Nov 2012 #20
judesedit Nov 2012 #21
Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2012 #22
yellowcanine Nov 2012 #23
yellowcanine Nov 2012 #24
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #28
MrDiaz Nov 2012 #29
yellowcanine Nov 2012 #30
MrDiaz Nov 2012 #32
bamacrat Nov 2012 #26
ladjf Nov 2012 #27
NickB79 Nov 2012 #31
qwlauren35 Nov 2012 #33
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #36

Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:28 AM

1. "raise a lot of worthwhile questions about the nature of our union."

All answered back in 1865.


Ron is as loony as they come.

The only real questions they raise is

who are these crazy losers? And why don't they grow up?

We just had an election... like we do every 4 years... It's not like a coup, you moran.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:29 AM

2. at least one from every state

There's a Teabagger idea!

EVERY STATE SECEED!

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:19 AM

12. Ron Paul is RACIST!

The FACT that Ron Paul's long time close friend & former congressional Chief of Staff, Lew Rockwell, is the founder of a Neo-Confederate group & was also the lead ghost writer for Ron Paul's racist & anti-Semitic newsletters, Ron Paul has other close ties to Neo-Nazi's as is seen in the pics he haas taken with these fools SHOULD have an impact on all his adherents...But they choose to ignore the FACTS & act like Ron Paul is just a little old man who wants peace. Lew Rockwell was one of Ron Paul's biggest campaign bundlers this past election cycle so the excuse that Ron Paul severed ties with him is ridiculous!!

Ron Paul has RAGED against the Incorporation Doctrine his entire political life! The ID basically forces states to comply with the bill of Rights & to Ron Paul & many other Republicans this is a violation of "state's rights! They think states should have the "freedom" to set Christian Theocracies & discriminate against non-whites & especially non-Christians!

...And this is yet another example that meshes seamlessly with all the other FACTS pointing to Ron Paul's racist & Christian views!

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:31 AM

3. Here's a worthwhile question: Why isn't that asshole GONE yet? nt

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:36 AM

4. and

Yet Ron Paul has been sitting as part of the government for decades. The republicans are a joke. I live in Texas, I have seen the crazies up close.lol. they are terrified at the thought of minorities controlling elections, even here. They are all talk and no action, they all take government benefits.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:41 AM

6. No...they don't

you batshit crazy bastard.

You and your evil spawn are nuts, Paul.

You have been freeloading for a life time, off of the thing you supposedly hate the most, government.

Go the fuck away.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:01 AM

7. Secession is NOT a "deeply American principle," it's treason, you evil bigot.

Now go crawl back into whatever Texas cow pie you came out of, you isolationist, misogynistic, racist, backward bag of bones.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:29 AM

8. Sure Ron.

How long have you been sucking at the tit of the Federal Government? Go start a commune somewhere with the rest of the closet racist, anti-semitic, anti-science assholes you attract.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:58 AM

9. Yeah, Ron, "nothing treasonous or unpatriotic" about hating democracy

You're Tom Jefferson incarnate, ain't ya.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:16 AM

10. parasite Paul could forfeit his retirement n health care. that would be a start nt

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:11 AM

11. When you rebel against the established Government...

You rebel against YOURSELF! Don't these crazy teabaggers "know" that? For those who said they'll "leave the Country if Obama gets re-elected..." you might as well KEEP YOUR WORD! SEE YA!

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Response to cheezmaka (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:30 AM

14. I don't want to get into the legal and patriotic aspects bout secession but..

I think America is at a point where maybe it would be better to self divide. I have no desire to conform to the rights way of thinking and they would rather die than to conform to mine. Would it really be the end of the world if we divided along political ideologies? Probably could never happen because of the problem with who goes where. But then again the Velvet revolution worked fairly well. Maybe for me it wouldn't be such a big deal because I find the USA and the originating philosophy to be deeply flawed. Maybe it's time to call the experiment a failure and try something different?

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:38 PM

25. it would be better to self divide.

Don't be fooled that there is a significant number of people involved in this story.... or the Teabagger story. They are (obviously... see election results) a minority.

And there are not "red" states and "blue" states... the USA is purple.



Iffen ya wanna go "red & blue"

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:03 PM

35. Damn, but Florida looks gorgeous in blue - n/t

 

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:01 PM

34. 41% of Texans voted sane (Obama). Are you going to write them off? - n/t

 

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:28 PM

37. Well it is not working out so well now is it?

For a chance at a sane society it is indeed tempting.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:27 AM

13. Hey Uncle Paul

shadup and stay retired.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:31 AM

15. How about the Paul family getting the hell out

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:37 AM

16. There

 

is nothing wrong with the Union. There is something wrong with the idiots who want secession. They have to look around and recognize they don't represent the people because the majority disagree with them. That is how a Democracy works. Only dictators get their way. Guess who the dictators are that want their way.

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Response to John2 (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:06 AM

17. Very good and to the point.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:47 AM

18. Maybe Ron can go found his own racist Libertopia somewhere in the desert now.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:13 AM

19. Traitors! My state of Texas is part of the United States of America, and that is where it will stay

These goobers will let off steam, b/c they know their time in the sun is almost up. Were it not for re-districting encouraged by the hopefully soon to be imprisoned Tom Delay, Texas would be blue, or almost blue. To the DU'ers that say, "let them go," I say patience. Once Texas goes blue, you will not have to worry about Ohio or Florida, it will be over. The DNC needs to fund and push an all out effort here to make that happen. At least go back to Gov. Howard Dean's 50 state strategy. It worked! Make them defend everywhere! Repugs are on the ropes and 50 states being very active will knock them out for the count. There are a lot of Dems who don't feel our party can't win in the South, but there are a lot of folks in the South that would get active in support and education of the misguided Republicans. If you want to know why Southernors vote against their interests and vote Republican, it is b/c the Republicans have misdirected their anger at lost jobs and low wages to minorities, and the Dems do not do anything down here to counter it! We have the perfect opportunity to groom Democratic candidates such as the Castro brothers, Raul and Julian. One is the beloved Mayor of San Antonio, and the other is a state representative. They are the future of our party. Please do not write us off!

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:14 AM

20. Many of us want secession too

 

He's right, there's nothing wrong with it.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:44 AM

21. Let them go. Get the money they owe the federal government, stop their social security, medicare,etc

No FEMA help with disasters, etc. They haven't done their homework as usual. It really amazes me how much "The Dumbing Down Of America" has succeeded. Some of these people are just lost, racist, spoiled, sore losers that probably receive more federal government assistance than many and have no clue what secession would do to their and their families lives.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:48 AM

22. But if they secede, who is going to elect Junior?

Riddle me that, Ron.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:49 AM

23. If you have to say "there is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about......"

Chances are, you are being treasonous or unpatriotic. Kind of like Nixon saying "I am not a crook."

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:51 AM

24. But there is something treasonous about saying, "now that the election is over and we have lost, we

should talk about secession."

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:06 PM

28. Funny how un-democratic this self-styled "defender of constitutional liberties" can be

When people don't vote the way he thinks they should...

I think now that he's out of office, Paul will drop all pretense and embrace full-on fascism....But he's still a fascist who supposedly wants to decriminalize reefer and close our overseas bases, so he'll still be a Jesus to the NORML crowd and college campuses....

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:12 PM

29. i noticed the use of

 

quotation remarks...Who did you quote saying that?

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Response to MrDiaz (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:16 PM

30. Eh - not an actual quote but an imaginary one based on the reasoning.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:50 AM

32. O I C

 

n/t

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:43 PM

26. Whiny, bitchy little sore losers.

I mean shit, we lose we take it. Piss and moan to one another but let the government do what they will. They lose, oh well it was a mistake we need a revolution. There is one great way these worthless little shits can get out of this country, join the military. They get to go to foreign lands and not be here when Obama starts his mind control ray. Oh and they are always for invading this country or that so win win right?

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:51 PM

27. Ron Paul. Please shut the hell up. nt

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:50 PM

31. Build a fence on the N. Texas border and pull out all military personal

All military hardware, bases, hell every goddamn bullet and rifle. Then tell the Mexican government they're welcome to take back their land.

That should put an end to talks of secession for another century or so.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:49 PM

33. Actually, I agree with him.

I'm not upset about people wanting to secede. And countries have split throughout time. Look at Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, the USSR. Maybe it needs to happen.

But the reality is that the majority of people in these states don't want it. So it won't happen.

If this is how people let of steam, then so be it. It beats impeachment efforts.

I really think this is something to ignore. But if they really want it, let them take the first step and cut off receipt of funding from the US government for one year, pay taxes to their state instead, for one year, and see what happens. Oh, and not send representatives to Congress and the Senate for one year.

But be wary of a natural disaster, an epidemic virus, an outbreak of violence, or simply a hunger problem or a homelessness problem, shut down of universities, no veterans' services, I could go on...

PLEASE let them try it for a year.

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Response to qwlauren35 (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:08 PM

36. Korea? Vietnam? Care to explain? - Korea was split by

 

an agreement of the Great Powers following World War II and not by an act of self-determination of the people. Vietnam was split by teh 1954 Geneva Treaty that called for it to be reunited following national elections in 1956, elections suborned by us and our puppets.

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