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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:19 PM

3 local ships extend deployment amid Gaza conflict (US warships turn around)

Source: Pilot Online.com

Three Hampton Roads-based warships reversed course this weekend and were steaming back to the eastern Mediterranean Sea today as U.S. officials kept a close eye on the escalating conflict between Israel and Palestinians in Gaza.

The amphibious warships Iwo Jima, New York and Gunston Hall were scheduled to return next week but instead will remain on standby, said Lt. Cmdr. Chris Servello, a Navy spokesman.

Sources told CNN that the ships could be needed in the event Americans are evacuated from Israel in the coming days, though officials said evacuation remains a remote possibility.

“I really want to emphasize that no active mission planning is underway,” Servello said. “This really is about due diligence.”

Read more: http://hamptonroads.com/2012/11/3-navy-ships-extend-deployment-amid-israelgaza-conflict

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Reply 3 local ships extend deployment amid Gaza conflict (US warships turn around) (Original post)
icymist Nov 2012 OP
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #1
still_one Nov 2012 #2
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #3
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #4
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #5
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #6
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #9
still_one Nov 2012 #15
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #18
still_one Nov 2012 #21
happyslug Nov 2012 #7
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #10
still_one Nov 2012 #16
happyslug Nov 2012 #27
still_one Nov 2012 #28
still_one Nov 2012 #14
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #17
still_one Nov 2012 #20
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #22
hack89 Nov 2012 #24
Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #30
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #34
PavePusher Nov 2012 #42
King_David Nov 2012 #8
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #11
mallard Nov 2012 #12
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #13
King_David Nov 2012 #32
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #33
King_David Nov 2012 #35
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #36
King_David Nov 2012 #38
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #39
King_David Nov 2012 #40
King_David Nov 2012 #31
Franker65 Nov 2012 #19
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #23
Lurks Often Nov 2012 #25
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #29
icymist Nov 2012 #26
icymist Nov 2012 #41
PavePusher Nov 2012 #43
oberliner Nov 2012 #37

Response to icymist (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:23 PM

1. No one should forget the USS Liberty and those who died.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:31 PM

2. This is a lot different. Israel was actually fighting for its survival in the 67 war. That is not

The case here, and no I am not trying to minimize what happened to the Liberty, but there were surrounding countries ready to destroy Israel.

This particular conflict is not even similar

http://www.sixdaywar.org/uss-liberty.asp

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Response to still_one (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:32 PM

3. I fail to see how this "is a lot different."

 

We are now going to have the Iwo Jima, New York and Gunston Hall (like the USS Liberty) in international waters near Israel at a time of belligerence.

The problem with the Liberty is that she and her crew did not have the protection of another nearby ship.

Our Naval Command should be smart enough to learn from the experience so that no other American ship would be sent by itself and be exposed to an extended "accidental" attack.

The Liberty was outside of Israeli waters but was monitoring air traffic and radio communications. Until the time of the attack, we had no information that Israel would attack one of our ships. It was a mistake to send the Liberty, by itself, to the area.

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Response to still_one (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:43 PM

4. What?

"Israel was actually fighting for its survival in the 67 war."

Sadat parking tanks in the Sinai for three days does not make an existential threat. Given that it was Israel that initiated the war by attacking said tanks, and pretty easily pressed right through to the Canal zone, saying Israel was "fighting for its survival" is just a lie.

if you want to try to argue that Israel was in its right to do all that, go ahead, but enough of this "helpless infant struggling for life" horse shit mythology, okay?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:00 PM

5. Do you know (I don't) whether Israel attacked the parked tanks first and then the USS Liberty, or

 

was it vice versa?

A time line from a reliable source would help.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:07 PM

6. It would be after

Israel launched Operation Focus against the Egyptians on June 5. The Liberty came under fire on June 8.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:33 AM

9. Thanks.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:23 AM

15. They did a pre-emptive attack because Nasser was calling for the total destruction of Isreal, and

mobilizing his troops along the border.

Israel would have had great difficulty if Egypt attacked first.

That 6 day war in no way justifies what happened to the Liberty

However, there was a good reason to believe that Egypt, Jordan and other Arab countries were united in seeing the destruction of Israel at that time.

In 1973, Israel did delay, and sustained many casualties because of that delay.

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Response to still_one (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:46 AM

18. I agree "That 6 day war in no way justifies what happened to the Liberty."

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:09 AM

21. We agree, good. Now if they can get the Israel and Palestinians to the negotiating table, maybe the

damage done by george bush can be undone, and they can move forward

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:13 PM

7. It was Nasser not Sadat in 1967

Article saying Nasser had planned the War:
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/israel/gat1967.pdf

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MF1967.html

Articles that point out, that the Egyptian movement of troops was to little to be any threat to Israel AND Israel knew that.
http://www.deliberation.info/the-six-day-war/

Report that Sadat (Egyptian President in 1973) planned the Yom Kipper war, to defeat his own army as well as revenge for 1967:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/22/what-really-happened-in-the-yom-kippur-war/




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Response to happyslug (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:39 AM

10. Nasser, right

Boy, I'm just on a roll tonight.

We can't forget the role the USSR played i nthe debacle, either;
http://www.sixdaywar.org/content/soviets.asp
The Soviet Union exerted a troublesome influence on the events leading up to the war by feeding Arab suspicions about Israel. This culminated in the delivery to the Syrians and Egyptians of a false alert on May 13 that Israel had massed troops near the Israeli-Syrian border in preparation for an attack on Syria.

Although it is not clear that the Soviets actually desired a war, a recent book by Gideon Remez and Isabella Ginor, Foxbats over Dimona: The Soviets' Nuclear Gamble in the Six-Day War, makes the controversial contention that the Soviet Union intentionally sparked the war in order to justify an attack against Israel's nuclear facility in Dimona. Israel's rapid and overwhelming success undermined the plan, the authors argue.


The bolded text is why Nasser was making fast alliances and moving his forces - not because he planned to attack Israel, but because the USSR had told Nasser that Israel was planning to attack. At the time, Egypt and Syria were united as one country; the United Arab republic.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:29 AM

16. Sorry, Nasser had every intention to attack. Using counterpunch and your other rerferences are not

accurate sources of what happened.



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Response to still_one (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:56 PM

27. So my reference to the Article that Nasser wanted the war is wrong????

I was careful, I referenced comments from BOTH sides on the issue of who really started the 1967 war, the longer papers point out the arguments that it appears to be Egypt and Syria but Israel attacked first. In many ways that explains the rapid pace of the Israeli Victory, it did NOT attack an army set for a Defensive Battle, but one set for an Offensive battle.

When you plan an attack you want your supplies as close to the front as possible, so it can follow the army on the march. In a defensive situation, you want the supplies further back, so when you retreat you retreat to your base of supply.

If the Egyptians wanted to attack, its supplies for its army would have been right with the Army, to follow into Israel. When the Israeli Army attacked, the Egyptian Army was pushed back, leaving its supplies behind. With no supplies to fall back on, you get a rapid defeat (This seems to be the main reason for the Russian loses in June through September 1941, Stalin seems to have planned to attack the Germans in Poland, but Hitler attacked first).

The problem is Israel has NEVER claimed it took much supplies in the 1967 War, it captured a lot of equipment, but Israel never claimed to have captured to much in supplies. Which implies it recovered a lot of vehicles and front line equipment, but little fuel, spare parts and food.

Thus it is hard to determine what happened in the 1967 War, Israel could have been a true preemptive attack, and forced the Egyptian army to abandoned their supplies OR the Egyptians never had any supplies to lose. Either way, the Egyptian Army was a quick defeat in 1967.

The Article I cited that clearly states Nasser had planned the War:
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/israel/gat1967.pdf

On the other hand, the CounterPunch Article in relation to the 1973 Yom Kippur war tends to follow the following scenario

1. The Egyptian Army attacked, and then brought its supplies with them,. Correct action of an attacking army.

2. When the Egyptian Army was on the defensive, it kept falling back on its supplies

In the CounterPunch Article the attack was halted by Sadat but that is a separate issue, read the Counterpunch article for WHY the Egyptian army stopped. My point is in the Yom Kippur War, the Egyptian Army acted like an army should in both is offensive and defensive phases. The Egyptian Army did NOT basically dissolved in 1973, like it had in 1967 for it had supplies to fall back on. Supplies just behind the front line that the Army could retreat to and resupply itself. That is normal for any Army on the defensive. That was NOT the situation in 1967, but it was the situation in 1973.

Thus it is possible for the 1967 War to be either a preemptive war by Israel to prevent an Egyptian Attack, OR a simple war of aggression that Israel planed and executed (and an argument can be made it could have been BOTH, Israel, seeing an attack by Egypt then implemented its own offensive war as a preemptive war instead of an offensive war).

On the other hand, the 1973 Yom Kippur war, makes no sense. Egypt had pieced the Israeli defenses, the passes mentioned in the article were a better defensive position, but unmanned at the time of the attack. A quick march to those passes would have opened up Israel to a full blown Egyptian attack, thus the Israeli decision to attack Syria instead makes no sense UNLESS Israel already knew those passes would NOT be taken. i.e. the Egyptian army would NOT move Eastward and actually threaten Israel.

Something was going on in the 1973 War, as the Counterpunch article points. The actions of the Sadat and Israeli makes no sense, unless they was an understanding between Israel, Sadat and the US as to roughly what will happen. Sadat thus could appear to be helping Syria, while Israel destroyed the Syrian Army, then the Egyptian army could be saved by the US intervention but only after the Egyptian army had been defeated. Sadat came out on top, he fought a war with Israel, the other generals were discredited for their defeat in that war, he knew he would get the Suez Canal opened up which would improve his support in Western Europe (and bring with it money to expand the Canal to permit even larger ships to use the Canal).

One of the concepts people have a problem with is the concept of Winning by Losing. Sometime, just showing up and losing is all you need to win what you are fighting for. Sadat wanted the Suez canal open, what he did military showed to the world that the Suez canal was a bad peace line and thus Israel could abandoned it (In many ways, to many people in the US and Israel had come to see the canal as a military impediment that Israel had to hold, something people with actual military training said was rot. Thus people had to see that the Canal was NOT the barrier people had come to think it was between 1967 and 1973).

Thus Sadat saw more in Fighting and LOSING then he saw in Fighting and Winning. The most Egypt would get was the Sinai, Syria would get less territory, but territory that had value as farm land, not the desert lands of the Sinai. i.e. the VALUE of the land Syria would recover would be greater to Syria then the Sinai was to Egypt. The big thing for Sadat was the Suez Canal, which he did win in the Yom Kippur war (it was re-opened soon afterward, then the rest of the Sinai returned, with restrictions as to how many Egyptian Military units were allowed in the Sinai, but only after Camp David during the Carter Administration).

Thus Sadat won everything he immediately wanted when he went to war, the opening of the Suez Canal, even while he lost the war. The Counter punch Article goes into other issues of why Sadat was willing to lose the war, for by losing his position inside Egypt was strengthened.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:12 PM

28. Appreciate your explanation

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:12 AM

14. You have your view, I have mine. The rendition you just presented is horseshit mythology.

It was Nasser, NOT Sadat who ordered the Egyptian troops to the border.

When Nasser ordered UN forces that were stationed on the Egyptian-Israeli border out, that was the first warning. In May Egypt ordered
a blockade of Israel through the Straits of Tiran. That was the second warning. At the same time Syria increased its border clashes with Israel along the golan Heights and mobilized its troops.

In May Nasser and Hussein signed a mutual defense pack, followed by one with Iraq. In June the Arab states began mobilizing their troops while Nasser and other Egyptian leader intensified their anti-Israeli rhetoric and called for a total destruction against Israel.

Egypt had their weapons supplied from the Soviets, including plans.

It is because Israel could NOT survive a first strike that they took a pre-emptive strike against Egypt

At that time it wasn't just tanks that Egypt had, they had Soviet planes, which were also destroyed before they could take off

It isn't mythology.

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Response to still_one (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:41 AM

17. Again, take note of the Soviet involvement

Think from Nasser's perspective.

Your major ally has just handed you information that a nation that invaded yours ten years ago, is planning to do so again. do you
A) wad it up and throw it back in your ally's face, saying "lol, no, they would never, they're too nice!"
or
B) take it seriously and muster your forces in preparation?
obviously, you'd take B. Which is what Nasser did.

Look at what you just said;
In May Nasser and Hussein signed a mutual defense pack, followed by one with Iraq.
Do you know what a defense pact means? Do you understand the idea of such a thing?

This is followed by Nasser moving forces into the Sinai and warning the UN. And they just sort of sat there for three days. Maybe they were hoping that the Israelis would be blinded by hte sunlight reflecting off the MiG cockpits?

Now, of course, Israel at the meantime isn't aware of the false report from the Soviets to the Egyptians (i've heard claims that it WASN'T false, but, well, i'm going with it being fake, due to lack of strong evidence). Israel sees Egypt communicating with its allies and moving troops, and.. .yeah, I don't really blame Israel for getting a little freaked about that.

Too bad both sides of this pending conflict had both vowed to not communicate with the other, huh? There was no call from Egypt going "Hey Israel, this thing the Russians gave us, uh... what the fuck?" nor was there a call from Israel to Egypt going "Man, Nasser, we see tanks out there, what are you doing?"

As I said. If you want to argue that Israel thought it was justified, whatever, like I said, I can't blame Israel from getting freaked out over it. But nor can I blame Egypt for getting freaked over the intel they had. And in the tense situation that resulted, it was Israel that fired the first shot and coasted to an easy victory in the Sinai and Golan. Israel's survival was never at stake.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:06 AM

20. Yes Israel fired the first shot, no question about that. In the 1973 war Israel did delay, and

suffered for it, though they were more equipped in 1973 than in 1967.

Probably the most amazing thing was the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt initiated by Sadat. At that time it was considered that peace between Egypt and Israel was the least likely to happen.

That is why when george bush became president, the possibility for peace was put back 40 years. Every President since nixon had tried to facilitate a peace agreement between the Palestinians and Israel. It was george bush who could have taken over where Bill Clinton left, but instead did just the opposite, and left the possibility for a two state solution even more distant

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Response to still_one (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:34 AM

22. And 1973 was a push by the UAR to reclaim Sinai and Golan

Also not an existential crisis. I mean, while we're on the subject. See, all I'm saying is that Israel's existence wasn't in doubt. A case could be made for that meme applying in 1948, but given the utter ineffectiveness of the Arab forces, it's still not a very effective case. Just as the pro-Palestinian side doesn't need to make bullshit claims that Hamas is firing "bottle rockets," the anti-Palestinian side doesn't need to pretend that Israel is a mewling, helpless kitten eternally on the verge of death. Neither are true, and both are insulting to the intelligence of pretty much everyone involved.

My take is that Bill Clinton was more interested in looking good on the news, than he was with actually working to broker a useful peace agreement. Bush, of course, is an apocalyptic christian - "Israel's gotta be there so Jesus can come back!" so you're right, that was eight years of the US being fucking useless in that department. And i'm a big fan of Obama, but I'm not sure he's hte guy to change the record.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:31 AM

24. "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

said by Nassar a week before the war and just after he closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships - an act of war.

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Response to still_one (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:37 PM

30. Even if that was true how does that have anything to do with Israel bombing a US ship?

A ship they had to have known was American since they were able to jam it's radio signals and American ships used different signals than Egyptian ones.

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Response to Puregonzo1188 (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:12 PM

34. Plus, during the extended attack, the attackers were close enough to see up to 3 US flags during

 

strafing attacks and torpedo runs.

As said by the survivors,
"After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

"The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded."

http://www.gtr5.com/


The survivors are not anti-semitic, and no one can legitimately charge them with being anti-semitic. Also from the same web site:
"The USS Liberty Memorial web site abhors the racist and extreme positions taken by antiSemitic, Holocaust denial, conspiracy theorist and other such groups which often seek to identify with us and to usurp our story as their own. We have no connection with and do not support or encourage support from any of these groups including National Alliance, National Vanguard, The New Order, National Socialists, The French Connection, Liberty Lobby, American Free Press, Republic Broadcasting, USS Liberty Radio Hour, Storm Front or other such groups. We wish harm to no one and encourage social justice and equality for everyone; we seek only accountability for the criminal acts perpetrated against us and can do that without help from hate-mongers."


No Navy ship should ever be alone and relatively unarmed near Israeli waters during hostilities.

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Response to still_one (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:18 PM

42. ...because no-one is supporting Hamas, or using them as proxies....

 

Am I right? What did I win?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:16 PM

8. Why is that?

A quick google search of USS Liberty brings up so many filthy antisemitic websites.

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Response to King_David (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:25 AM

11. (1) You ask, "Why is that?" The answer is that the U.S. Navy should learn from its experience and

 

never again send a relatively unarmed intelligence ship without protection from additional U.S. ships to the Mediterranean during hostilities.

(2) You say, "A quick google search of USS Liberty brings up so many filthy antisemitic websites."

The first web site that can be found with Google, for the USS Liberty Memorial, seems to not be a "filthy antisemitic" website. As indicated on its first page:

"Anti-Semitism and the Anti-American Apologists"

"The USS Liberty Memorial web site abhors the racist and extreme positions taken by antiSemitic, Holocaust denial, conspiracy theorist and other such groups which often seek to identify with us and to usurp our story as their own. We have no connection with and do not support or encourage support from any of these groups including National Alliance, National Vanguard, The New Order, National Socialists, The French Connection, Liberty Lobby, American Free Press, Republic Broadcasting, USS Liberty Radio Hour, Storm Front or other such groups. We wish harm to no one and encourage social justice and equality for everyone; we seek only accountability for the criminal acts perpetrated against us and can do that without help from hate-mongers."

"On the Israeli side, the group of pro-Israel, anti-American critics of our story, while small, persists in launching loud, vicious ad hominem attacks on anyone who attempts to discuss the deliberateness of the attack. These anti-American apologists refuse to discuss the facts of the case. Instead, they rely on propaganda and charge anyone who questions the Israeli position with being antiSemitic."

"For detailed and authoritative accounts of the power and influence of the pro-Israel lobby, please see The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy by Mearsheimer and Walt and The Pro-Israel Lobby by Edward Herman."

http://www.gtr5.com/

If you can show me the error of my ways and how this web site is antisemitic, I would appreciate it.

Likewise, if you can show me how no lessons should be learned from the attack on the Liberty and how lightly armed intelligence ships should not be accompanied by one or more additional ships when in the Mediterranean near hostilities, it would also be appreciated.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:41 AM

12. Because your critic ...

... is indeed one apt to "rely on propaganda and charge anyone who questions the Israeli position with being anti Semitic," you'll get no response acknowledging the legitimacy of your points. The arrogant approach goes with occupied territory and allowance to wax threatening is assumed.

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Response to mallard (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:53 AM

13. Agreed. Thanks.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:42 AM

32. You agree with this too?

'Israel was the chief beneficiary of the event, with Zionists in every step of the equation. Have you seen the collapse of WTC?'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=307506

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Response to King_David (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:56 AM

33. What I agree with is that I would "get no response acknowledging the legitimacy of (my) points."

 

The poster said at #12 that you would not give a response acknowledging the legitimacy of my points. I agree with that.

Also as I said even higher up at #18, "I agree that the '6 day war in no way justifies what happened to the Liberty'."

Are you trying to bait me into saying something that will allow you to falsely claim that I am anti-semitic?

Was the poster wrong at #12 when he expressed his opinion you were "one apt to 'rely on propaganda and charge anyone who questions the Israeli position with being anti Semitic'?"

Is that true? Do you call other posters anti-semitic? The USS Liberty was a relatively unarmed radar and radio-listening ship outside of Israeli waters at the time of the 6-day war when it and its crew were repeatedly attacked while flying three U.S. flags. Is it true that you "charge anyone who questions the Israeli position with being anti Semitic"?

What, in your view, is the "Israeli position"? To avoid being called anti-semitic, can I take that position too?


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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:15 PM

35. After that poster's post implicating Zionists in 9-11

I take absolutely NOTHING s/he says seriously .

It's conspiracy hateful bigotrd shit !!

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Response to King_David (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:25 PM

36. If you "take absolutely NOTHING s/he says seriously," why are you telling that to me?

 

On what basis, other than your upbringing, do you think that this is all about you?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:56 PM

38. You need a break maybe ?

When I get tired and cranky people start irritating me ... I find taking a break does wonders ...

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Response to King_David (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:06 PM

39. When you get "tired and cranky"? Does that happen very often?

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #39)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:11 PM

40. Nope

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Response to mallard (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:41 AM

31. Coming from someone who wrote this disgusting post about 9-11



'Israel was the chief beneficiary of the event, with Zionists in every step of the equation. Have you seen the collapse of WTC?'


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=307506



BIGOTED CONSPIRACY HATEFUL SICK SHIT !!!!

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Response to icymist (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:06 AM

19. At least the ships on the way now can defend themselves

Still, I really don't think there's any possibility of Americans needing to be evacuated. There's only so much sporadic and inaccurate rocket fire is going to achieve.

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Response to icymist (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:38 AM

23. Since I assume the ships would be there to defend Israel, I'm not sure I understand

It's not as if the Palestinians are a real military threat. Israel's armed forces are VASTLY superior.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:39 AM

25. The 3 ships aren't there to protect Israel,

While their defensive capabilities are pretty good, the 3 ships mentioned have very limited offensive capabilities and don't carry enough troops (a Marine battalion) to have a significant impact on land operations. Depending on the aviation complement, the offensive power of the 3 ships would be limited to attack helicopters and possibly 4-6 Harrier jets, which are light attack aircraft with limited air to air capabilities.

It has long been US policy to send an amphibious task force to areas where US citizens might need to be evacuated

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:18 PM

29. Ahh okay

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Response to icymist (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:50 PM

26. Can we get a HooRah for the men and women serving on these ships?

They're serving the US and they're being sent to the ME. Godspeed to you young men and women going into harms way. Godspeed your return out of there! And since I've always been a Navy person: God Bless our Navy!

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Response to icymist (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:03 PM

41. Oh for crimney cripe!

The men and women serving on these ships... what are they to everybody? Throwaways? I pray for them, that are going into harms way. Please, I pray that they may return and come home to their loved ones. May no harm come to any one of these, our finest. May they see any danger before it become apparent and take action in order to ovoid it.

If you are wondering, I have friends out there.

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Response to icymist (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:30 PM

43. Friend, 13 minutes, in the middle of one of our biggest family holidays....

 

is not sufficient time to allow for any response. Please exercise some patience.

I wish them the very best as well, having served 22+ years in the USAF (and was involved in the 2006 Lebanon/Beirut evacuations, albeit from the comfort of Cyprus).

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Response to icymist (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:55 PM

37. Please can we have more posts about the USS Liberty

And the "truth" about the 1967 War.

Those discussions would be enormously productive right now.

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