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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 04:47 PM

Justice official: Register voters automatically

Source: Associated Press

Justice official: Register voters automatically
November 17, 2012
By PETE YOST, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- One of the top enforcers of the nation's civil rights laws said Friday that government should be responsible for automatically registering citizens to vote by using existing databases to compile lists of all eligible residents in each jurisdiction.

The proposal by Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez, chief of the Justice Department's civil rights division, follows an election with breakdowns that forced voters in many states to wait in line for hours.

In remarks at George Washington University law school, Perez said census data shows that of 75 million adult citizens who failed to vote in the 2008 presidential election, 60 million were not registered and therefore ineligible to cast a ballot.

Perez says one of the biggest barriers to voting in this country is an antiquated registration system.


Read more: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/11/17/politics/voter-registration/

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Reply Justice official: Register voters automatically (Original post)
Judi Lynn Nov 2012 OP
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #1
mac56 Nov 2012 #55
truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #59
silverweb Nov 2012 #2
Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #3
SunSeeker Nov 2012 #4
Taverner Nov 2012 #5
freshwest Nov 2012 #6
AAO Nov 2012 #13
freshwest Nov 2012 #17
harmonicon Nov 2012 #30
highplainsdem Nov 2012 #7
druidity33 Nov 2012 #8
xtraxritical Nov 2012 #25
Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #27
harmonicon Nov 2012 #31
ReasonableToo Nov 2012 #41
xtraxritical Nov 2012 #42
ReasonableToo Nov 2012 #48
CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #44
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #9
meeshrox Nov 2012 #15
defacto7 Nov 2012 #10
Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #11
colsohlibgal Nov 2012 #12
XemaSab Nov 2012 #16
harmonicon Nov 2012 #32
meeshrox Nov 2012 #14
LiberalArkie Nov 2012 #18
littlemissmartypants Nov 2012 #19
lovemydog Nov 2012 #20
ibegurpard Nov 2012 #21
Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #28
Thor_MN Nov 2012 #36
Daniel537 Nov 2012 #50
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #56
Humanist_Activist Nov 2012 #53
Change has come Nov 2012 #22
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #23
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #29
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #38
Humanist_Activist Nov 2012 #51
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #54
Mr.Bill Nov 2012 #24
harmonicon Nov 2012 #33
Heywood J Nov 2012 #39
Mr.Bill Nov 2012 #45
Heywood J Nov 2012 #49
Mr.Bill Nov 2012 #58
Heywood J Nov 2012 #62
Mr.Bill Nov 2012 #64
Heywood J Nov 2012 #65
Sunlei Nov 2012 #26
Agony Nov 2012 #34
avebury Nov 2012 #35
California Expat Nov 2012 #37
Old Codger Nov 2012 #40
FlaGranny Nov 2012 #43
CreekDog Nov 2012 #61
dumbledork Nov 2012 #46
ProSense Nov 2012 #47
Humanist_Activist Nov 2012 #52
dumbledork Nov 2012 #66
Humanist_Activist Nov 2012 #68
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #57
CreekDog Nov 2012 #60
Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #63
Uncle Joe Nov 2012 #67

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:09 PM

1. That's how it's done up here

Voter registration's largely tied to tax records/returns - if you exist in the eyes of Revenue Canada, you're registered to vote and get your updated information as to when and where in the mail about a week into an election campaign.

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:05 AM

55. That's brilliant.

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:03 PM

59. Whenever you renew your license or change your address on your license in MN you're given the option

of registering to vote at your new address. I did so earlier this year and received my registration update immediately.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:14 PM

2. K&R

Rethugs will fight this brilliant idea, of course.

It increases the voting population and their knowledge base, and it just makes way too much sense.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:17 PM

3. THANK Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez for his PROGRESSIVE Election Proposal!!

My email in support of the AAG's proposal.


Voting.Section@usdoj.gov

THANK YOU! AAG Perez for your Progressive Election Proposal!

PETE YOST of the Washington AP reports that you have come up with a common sense proposal for the Government to register citizens to vote using existing databases to compile lists of all eligible residents in each jurisdiction.

We should NEVER have election breakdowns that force voters to wait in line for hours. Every vote counts, so count every vote can not even begin to happen if so many are blocked from registering to vote in the first place.

Your plan removes one huge barrier in an election system that seems rigged against the voters and needs to become simpler and even more transparent in order to restore our faith in the electoral process again.

I heard about this on Democratic Underground and it's also been reported by MPR. Over 150,000 people registered on the Democratic Underground will celebrate your victory when your proposal becomes the new standard. We know it will be an uphill battle, so let us know if there is anything you need from the “We the People” ranks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/11/17/politics/voter-registration/



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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:38 PM

4. That just makes TOO much sense.

I mean, what does this guy think voting is, a right or something?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:40 PM

5. Agree 100%

 

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:44 PM

6. Best solution. Election reform is what Obama said would be a priority. We need to push for this.

We can't stop the GOP gerrymandering scam until 2021. And we can't have a discussion or action on this if we fail in 2014. We must keep supporting the majority vote. This would do it on the way to the other reforms.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:12 PM

13. We're in the drivers seat now - we just can afford to drive intoxicated.

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Response to AAO (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:34 PM

17. No, no running off into the ditch like in 2010. Keep networking.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:56 AM

30. Unfortunately, not enough Dems agree.

I'm amazed to hear people who are pro-gerrymandering around DU - so long as it helps their candidate or district, it's fine with them. That attitude has to stop. I would love for the Democratic platform to include a call for non-partisan drawing of districts, instant runoff voting where possible, and any measures which would generally help our country to become more democratic, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:54 PM

7. Brilliant and very practical idea. Republicans will hate it.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:54 PM

8. K&R and get rid of Electronic Voting!

Paper Ballots hand counted! I'd also like to see Election Day as a National Holiday. Why not make Civics a required class again? We can involve students in counting the ballots. Same day registration and early voting should be National...

any other ideas?






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Response to druidity33 (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:37 AM

25. Or, if machines are used, have them print out two uniqley numbered copies of the ballot

 

with one deposited in a locked box, by the voter, before leaving the polling place and the voter retains the other copy. This provides an unassailable audit trail against fraud.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:57 AM

27. OOOOOHHH!! I LIKE IT!! nt

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:59 AM

31. Well, having voters retain a copy is the surest way to make vote-buying a big business.

Just name a price for a vote for a certain candidate. The voter will show you their ballot, and could pay out accordingly. No time wasted with trying to buy votes with silly adds. Fuck issues - who's paying the most?

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:08 AM

41. Agree...

Yes, I agree vote buying would happen.

If its a national holiday than people can volunteer to observe counting in their own precinct. You get citizens to observe the totals and video the counting process. The citizens can verify that the total they got shows in the state election site.

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Response to ReasonableToo (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:16 AM

42. Then ef it, keep the status quo. Vote buying would be a lot easier to apprehend and prove

 

all it would take is some under cover DOJ narcs.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:58 PM

48. Still need paper ballots...

...the voter should see a paper ballot with their selection and then they put that paper ballot into a locked box. Before electronic voting, some precincts had an optical scan where it would suck the ballot in and count the votes. The thing is that they could be randomly checked as a rule and a recount could be done for all the machines as necessary.

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Response to druidity33 (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:42 AM

44. Veteran's day should be Voting day

I am very certain that Veterans would be honored to have the day that celebrates their sacrifice include that for which they fought for.

I would go even further and STRONGLY ask that the only businesses allowed open on that day are essential services, grocery stores and restaurants, up until noon (German style).

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:56 PM

9. Tie it in to the Social Security Data Base

Verify by age, address/zip code ( to sort out by precincts, states, etc) X-reference any exceptions (felony ineligibilities etc) and cast the vote in each election by name and last 4-digits of the SSN for privacy considerations to vote anywhere in US or on line

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Response to Blue4Texas (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:15 PM

15. I like that system! n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:18 PM

10. Yes!! this is the right way to do it...


Automatareg!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:22 PM

11. Republican sympathizers will not like this one

K and R

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:32 PM

12. Indeed, Why Should The Burden Be On Individuals

They sure could find eligible men during years when the military draft was on.

This makes so much sense, why has it not been put in place before?

I'd love to hear the righties argue that this is a bad idea.

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Response to colsohlibgal (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:28 PM

16. Don't young men still get a card in the mail?

They know who you are, where you are, and how old you are.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:01 AM

32. I'm sure they do - don't women now too?

You're talking about the selective service card, right? Having to fill that sucker out is about the creepiest thing I ever had to do. I assume they're still sent out.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:13 PM

14. Finally!



I've been saying this for years, to dumbfounded looks in reply from friends. What a concept! Hooray, that someone at the top comes out and suggests it!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:40 PM

18. Register people when the social security DB says they are 18 and remove them when SS death DB says

they are dead. Move their voting locations via the US Post Office move forms.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:47 PM

19. LMSP kicking...n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:03 PM

20. Great idea.

I'm all for it.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:38 PM

21. Believe it or not there would be people opposed to this

I know that my brother-in-law is not registered to vote (and thank god for that considering his political views)
His reason is that he thinks it will keep him from being put in jury-duty pools.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:59 AM

28. Yeah, and we could do like the Aussies and charge a fine if someone doesn't vote. lol nt

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:13 AM

36. In Minnesota, that and not having a Driver's License will keep one out of jury duty pools.

However, I'm knocking on 50's door and have never been called. My two sisters have also never been called. My little brother lives in DC and gets called every three years like clockwork. I'm not sure what makes up the pool database in DC, but there is such a high rate of jury trials to residents in DC that they made a law limiting jury duty to once every three years, and that's how often they get called.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:37 AM

50. Yeah, i'm actually not very supportive of this idea

because there are plenty of people in this country who aren't interested in participating in the political process, as is their right, and that should be respected. But at the same time we want to make it easier for those who want to participate to do so, so i think we need to find some kind of compromise in the middle, such as same-day registration.

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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #50)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:12 AM

56. If they don't want to participate, then they don't show up at the polls. Simple.

Automatic registration isn't mandatory voting.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:38 AM

53. They could have an "opt-out" option, its automatically opt in, but people could ask to be...

de-registered, as it were. Also, I've been registered to vote since 1996 and only called to jury duty once, which was cancelled before I even showed up.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:18 PM

22. K & R

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 11:46 PM

23. Who is he addressing? Can the federal govment tell states how to register voters? nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:06 AM

29. Federal elections SHOULD be handled by the federal govenrment

"Leaving it to the states" is a relic of compromises over slavery.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:09 AM

38. I agree, but what determines who has the responsibility? Is it covered by the

Constitution?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:34 AM

51. According to the Constitution, that responsibility is the State's to bear...

Including how to allocate House Representatives and what qualifications people need to meet in order to cast a vote, as long as those requirements don't violate existing Amendments.

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Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #51)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:01 AM

54. Thanks. Looks like the 15th Ammend applies. nm

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:09 AM

24. Having to register to practice my constitutional right to vote

Make no more sense than registering my right to practice religion.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:22 AM

33. That's how I feel about absurd voter ID laws.

It's like if I had to show an ID if I were to pray.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:12 AM

39. There's no problem with practicing multiple religions at the same time.

There's a big problem with voting twice in the same election.

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Response to Heywood J (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:57 PM

45. That's why it's a felony.

There are ways to prevent people from voting twice without registering people.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:18 AM

49. Please explain, I'm all ears. (NT)

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Response to Heywood J (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:38 PM

58. What's to explain? Voting twice is a felony.

There are things around us every day that would cause harm to others and what keeps people from doing them is the penalty if they are caught.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #58)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:56 PM

62. Really?

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime
In 2011, an estimated 14,612 persons were murdered in the United States.
There were an estimated 83,425 forcible rapes reported to law enforcement in 2011.
In 2011, there were an estimated 354,396 robberies nationwide.
In 2011, there were an estimated 751,131 aggravated assaults in the nation.

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Response to Heywood J (Reply #62)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:40 PM

64. Probably why our prisons are bursting at the seams.

You know, from felony convictions.

What's to keep people from registering twice with fake IDs? (Other than the fact that it's a felony)

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:41 AM

65. Probably the low number

of convincing fake IDs.

The honor system hasn't worked here since the days when (if) you could leave your door unlocked when you went to work. The next progression would be purple thumbs.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:56 AM

26. yes, start this right away.This will save all the states multi-millions and is fair to citizens

The Gov knows who everyone (legal) is anyway.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:24 AM

34. Election Day should be a national holiday

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:54 AM

35. Voter registration should be automatic. nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:35 AM

37. Resgister everyone

Sweden uses the equivalent of the SSN to register voters. There is a database containing all SSNs, it could include Citizenship status as one of the fields and we all have Social Security cards.

I am not in favor of Voter ID as used by the republikons, but if everyone was able to use their SSN card to vote with, think of all the voters we would have. Remember, the more people who vote, the more likely a Democrat will win.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:36 AM

40. seems to me

That not only registering automatically but absolutely bi-partisan, ie no indication whatsoever as to any party affiliation would stop any attempts to purge voter lists.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:19 AM

43. In addition to that

it would be good to have a required number of voting locations per population and a national holiday and/or month long early voting with enough locations to prevent long lines.

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Response to FlaGranny (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:08 PM

61. We have most of that in California and it works well

our urban areas often have walkable distances to polling places, there are a maximum number of people that can be assigned to one precinct, as well as other rules to reduce/prevent lines and provide uniform access.

and then we have extensive early voting, no excuses absentee ballots (and one can sign up to automatically be a full time absentee voter) --all these things and the above making voting convenient and easy, even while the ballot gets longer.

it can be done.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:11 PM

46. That's the stupidest idea I've heard in years.

 

Do we REALLY want to give voting rights to any entity with a pseudonym? I don't think so.. Isn't the electorate already dumbed down enough?

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Response to dumbledork (Reply #46)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:20 PM

47. Thanks for kicking this thread.

I would have missed it.

Bravo to the Asst AG Perez.

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Response to dumbledork (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:36 AM

52. It may help increase voter turnout, and may kickstart political education as well...

I don't see it being overly negative, and if its partisanship you are worried about, increased voter turnout generally benefits Democrats a lot more than Republicans.

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Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #52)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:26 PM

66. Yes, increased -turnout' does...but how would the metrics change when people are basically 'drafted'

 

into the voting pool? We already have millions of low-information people casting ballots...this goofy idea would just increase the numbers by large factors.

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Response to dumbledork (Reply #66)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:19 AM

68. Not really, it doesn't make voting mandatory...

yes, they will get the mailers all registered voters get now every year or so(depending on timing of elections, local, state, and national), which may make them curious, but it wouldn't force them to go to the polls, so turnout might increase, but I doubt it would be by much. Mostly this would just streamline a process, no more, no less.

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Response to dumbledork (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:13 AM

57. Voting rights aren't "given." (nt)

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Response to dumbledork (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:05 PM

60. if you are against "giving rights" then let's start with taking yours away

since you don't seem to understand the concept of a "right", maybe, by your own standard, you should not be voting.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:57 PM

63. Best idea ever

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:47 PM

67. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Judi Lynn.

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