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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:12 PM

US denies visas to Iranian UN delegates

Source: reuters

The United States has denied visas to Iranian officials hoping to attend a UN meeting in New York, Iran's state news agency reported on Saturday.

The Iranian judiciary's human rights headquarters said in a statement that the US denied visas to members of an Iranian delegation that planned to travel to a meeting of the United Nations' third committee, which focuses on social issues and human rights, state news agency Irna said.

"The US government, by not issuing visas to the members of the delegation, wants to ruin the possibility of the presence of the delegation, and prevent its members from conducting their mission of interacting and co-operating with the United Nations," said the statement, according to Irna.

The judiciary body urged UN officials to warn the United States against such decisions and remind it of its obligations as UN host country, Irna reported. It did not say how many Iranian officials had applied for visas from the United States or when they wanted to travel.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/17/iran-usforeignpolicy

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Reply US denies visas to Iranian UN delegates (Original post)
alp227 Nov 2012 OP
WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2012 #1
KG Nov 2012 #2
LineReply I
John2 Nov 2012 #3
Fuddnik Nov 2012 #4
John2 Nov 2012 #5
Socal31 Nov 2012 #7
xtraxritical Nov 2012 #9
USMCMustang Nov 2012 #19
fujiyama Nov 2012 #25
Socal31 Nov 2012 #31
backwoodsbob Nov 2012 #32
Unknown Beatle Nov 2012 #6
USMCMustang Nov 2012 #20
Unknown Beatle Nov 2012 #38
go west young man Nov 2012 #8
mallard Nov 2012 #11
Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #16
go west young man Nov 2012 #17
Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #18
go west young man Nov 2012 #21
Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #23
go west young man Nov 2012 #27
Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #28
go west young man Nov 2012 #29
Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #30
Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #37
Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #33
byeya Nov 2012 #10
USMCMustang Nov 2012 #22
Robb Nov 2012 #12
go west young man Nov 2012 #15
Robb Nov 2012 #34
msanthrope Nov 2012 #35
arewenotdemo Nov 2012 #13
Ash_F Nov 2012 #14
USMCMustang Nov 2012 #24
fujiyama Nov 2012 #26
Piazza Riforma Nov 2012 #36
dlwickham Nov 2012 #40
Piazza Riforma Nov 2012 #41
dlwickham Nov 2012 #39

Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:38 PM

1. This is wrong on many levels.

What does the US have to gain by this?
Does it make the world safer?
Does it make the US seem like a stubborn bully?
What harm is being done by talking?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:46 PM

2. well, that'll show 'em!

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:55 PM

3. I

 

don't know, but you have to trust the U.S. It could be some other reason, maybe National Security reasons.

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Response to John2 (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 04:00 PM

4. Sorry Charlie.

I quit trusting the US a long, long time ago.

They're just being pricks. The UN should decide to move elsewhere.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 04:20 PM

5. Well Charlie

 

I don't trust the Iranians either. I'll stick with the Obama Administration thank you.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:09 PM

7. Please let me know when they do, I would be 100% for it.

The UN needs to be re-tooled. Anyone who does any sort of reading would know how corrupt it is.

I would personally like to see our UN cash go to infrastructure and education here in the US, but maybe that makes me a nationalistic flag-waiver.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:52 PM

9. I feel the same way about foreign aid to Israel.

 

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Response to USMCMustang (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:17 AM

25. And don't forget Pakistan

they receive a few billion a year and they had Osama hiding out in their country! If that's not a reason to cut off aid, I don't know what is.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:37 AM

31. Yes! So do I.

I don't understand why all of this is "off the table."

Why is it so crazy to want some new schools and roads here instead of Afghanistan? That isn't anti-Afghan, that is just looking out for my children.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:52 AM

32. I wish they would

move them to Europe

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 04:58 PM

6. This sounds like a joint decision

between Israel and the US. The US is known to kowtow to Israel's demands.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:05 AM

20. Bullshit

 

The US was against statehood in 1948. So were the "Palestinians." Get a grip on history. The Palestinians chose NOT to have a state. War i
was a better idea. Don't forget who they supported during WWII.

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Response to USMCMustang (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:07 PM

38. Huh?

WTF does that have to do with the US not granting Visas to the Iranian delegation? It is a known fact that recent history, years after WWII, the US does kowtow to Israel, and the Israelis know it.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:39 PM

8. The US isn't shaming the Iranians with this ridiculous move.

It's shaming itself and goes against what the UN was created for. I agree that the UN should move to another country where they can reasonably do the work that is necessary to make the world a better place. Parties have to come to the table for debate to take place. Sadly this move reeks of something the Bush Administration would do and also hurts the movement for democracy within Iran as it emboldens the Iranian government. It's a highly counter productive move and I'm relatively sure it is once again the hand of Israel within the US government pulling the strings.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:32 PM

11. Re: highly counter productive move

These policies from the Bush days have been largely held over. It's not Obama's own doings, it's the people who're actually in charge.

For the country engaging for over a decade in war of choice, this is an arrogant effort to further cast blame on Iran when substance is otherwise lacking. International law doesn't mean much anymore. Raw power and willingness to attack do. Not much Iran can do about it, is there?

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Response to mallard (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:55 PM

16. The people who are actually in charge?! WTF?!

What the hell is that supposed to even mean?

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:56 AM

17. I believe that they may be in reference

to all the neocon appointees from the Bush Administration. Why the "what the hell is that supposed to mean"? It should be obvious to anyone who's been keeping up.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:01 AM

18. Are you mallard? No?

Then yours is speculation. If I wanted that, I could have done it on my own. It should be obious the person is NOT talking about appointees for anyone keeping up.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:06 AM

21. Hence the terms "may be " in my post.

Let me speculate on something else instead. Your tone in your posts seems over reactionary and loud. Why? Can you possibly debate without all the emotion?

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Response to go west young man (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:10 AM

23. Which is irrelevant to what I needed.

Your tone suggests arrogance and a likely undeserved sense of superiority. Why? Can you possibly discuss things without attitude?

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:41 AM

27. Actually I'm feeling kinda ambivalent right now.

Tone is difficult to discern in a written post unless there's obvious exclamation marks (shouting) or rude comments. As far as superiority goes I'm no better than you nor do I presume to be. I'm just some person sitting in front of a computer engaging you in a debate.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:53 AM

28. But, the problem is you aren't engaging me in debate.

You are doing nothing more than passing judgment on me. I asked that poster a very specific question. Exclamation marks are not shouting...THIS IS SHOUTING ON THE INTERNET! I don't mind your rude comments, but if you make them you always take the chance the person who is on the receiving end will respond to them, and in some cases, in kind.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:06 AM

29. At this point I'll refer you back to the easily accessible post 16.

And wish you a good night.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:08 AM

30. And I will refer you back to your following post.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:27 PM

37. It's the self-appointed anti-semite police. Sees 'em everywhere.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:09 AM

33. Normally I'd have thought the same thing, but I know why BtA asked them...

I saw a post yesterday that had me thinking the same thing as BtA did when I read the post in this thread. I don't know if I'm allowed to link to hidden posts, so I won't, but it was an Israel did 9/11 post that was imo, on the nose...

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:31 PM

10. Doesn't strike me as a good sign for Obama's 2nd four years. All nations should be able

 

to be represented at the UN.
Iran has many problems that concern the world: As a signatory to the atomic non-proliferation treaty, they seem to be either violating it or on the verge of doing so. Of course Israel has many atomic weapons and is as much a regional threat as Iran. I would argue moreso because of its blank check from the USA.
Whatever, UN delegates need to be able to come and go and take part.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:54 PM

12. The Iranian state is homophobic.

This is a government that makes being gay an imprisonable offense. And they want to attend the fucking Third Committee?

What, is there an exceptionally good lunch buffet?

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Response to Robb (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:49 PM

15. Curious how you feel about Saudi Arabia with veiled women

and Gulf States that imprison people for public kissing? Or African countries with corrupt regimes that conduct their version of the "law"? Or Western countries, like ours, that illegally invade other countries while bugging the UN to implement that illegal invasion. And what of Ukraine and Belarus with their supposedly corrupt leaders?

The UN is where the world is supposed to go to resolve issues. To deny a country the right to attend says more about the country that issues that verdict than it does about the country that is being denied. How will denying Iran a seat at the table help abolish the death penalty for homosexuals or anyone for that matter? If anything it's counter productive as it will cause people to sympathize with Iran's leaders. This is simply not a good move by the US. Especially when we need to regain the worlds respect in regards to international treaties and respect for other countries in general. We don't have to respect Iran but we should respect the institution of the United Nations.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:33 AM

34. You're missing the point.

They already have "a seat at the table."

They attempted to add new people to their delegation under the pretense of those people attending a meeting that is as relevant to them as a coconut convention is to the mayor of Fairbanks.

The proposed new "delegates" then didn't pass the security screening. No visa for them.

Iran wails and gnashes its teeth. The more credulous Westerners join them. But all involved parties knew exactly what was going on here, because it's all a game both sides are playing all the time.

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Response to Robb (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:48 AM

35. I love these threads. Ratfucking at its finest. nt

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:54 PM

13. Just what I expected from a Romney Administration.

 

Take their ball and head home.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:24 PM

14. They haven't denied all Iranian delegates though?

Correct me if I am wrong but Iran will still have a delegation, right?

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:12 AM

24. Hopefully

 

But look how the US treats Cuba. What is wrong with talking to them? They have longer memories going back to 1954.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:29 AM

26. I don't really see what the US gets out of this

It's not like A-jad and his crew of crazies have never been to the US for UN meetings before.

Unless there's some specific intel on those that were requesting the visas, I just find this pointless. But then again, any human rights commission or council with Iran on it is automatically pointless.

I think it would be better for all parties if the UN were to move. It would mean lost revenue for NYC though. But overall, I think a smaller country, with a more neutral presence on most world affairs (like say, Switzerland), would be a better home. Or some small island somewhere.

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Response to fujiyama (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:24 PM

36. "But then again, any human rights commission or council with Iran on it is automatically pointless"

 

That's exactly how I feel about the US being on any human rights commission.

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Response to Piazza Riforma (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:37 PM

40. when the US starts killing gays and lesbians for being gay and lesbian

then you compare the two

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:22 PM

41. When Iran starts abducting people off the street in foreign countries and ship them off

 

to a third country to be tortured like we do with rendition.

-or-

When Iran sends in drones to bomb villages killing scores of women and children like we do in Pakistan.

-or-

When Iran sends in its secret services to engineer the overthrow of a foreign government and install a torture and murder happy government like we did in Chile.

-or-

When Iran allows its citizens to go without basic medical care like we do.

-or-

When Iran shoots down a civilian US jetliner and refuse to even apologize.

THEN you can compare the two.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:35 PM

39. since when do Iranians care about human rights

maybe they should stay home

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