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Fri Nov 16, 2012, 04:52 PM

Mo. man charged with plotting 'Twilight' mass shooting

Source: USA Today

4:47PM EST November 16. 2012 - A 20-year-old Missouri man was charged Friday with planning a mass shooting this weekend at either a screening of the latest Twilight movie or at a local Walmart.

Blaec Lammers, of Bolivar, is accused of buying assault rifles and more than 400 rounds of ammunition in a plot mimicking the July mass shooting that killed 12 and wounded 57 at an Aurora, Colo., theater showing the premiere of the latest Batman movie, the Springfield News-Leader reports.

Lammers was charged with first-degree assault, making a terroristic threat and armed criminal action. He is being held on $500,000 bail.

His mother contacted police Thursday, saying Lammers had bought assault weapons and ammunition, and was concerned he "may have intentions of shooting people at the movie," Breaking Dawn Part 2, according to court documents. He also stated he might instead target a Walmart store "because if he ran out of ammunition he would be able to break the glass where the ammunition is stored and get more, writes the News-Leader, published by Gannett, USA TODAY's parent.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/16/twilight-missouri-man-charged-mass-shooting-plot/1710211/



I'm sick of this! Assault rifles! 400 rounds!

At least they stopped him from doing it.

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Reply Mo. man charged with plotting 'Twilight' mass shooting (Original post)
El Supremo Nov 2012 OP
Ilsa Nov 2012 #1
Roland99 Nov 2012 #3
PavePusher Nov 2012 #8
Roland99 Nov 2012 #18
PavePusher Nov 2012 #20
Roland99 Nov 2012 #22
PavePusher Nov 2012 #23
Roland99 Nov 2012 #24
PavePusher Nov 2012 #25
LanternWaste Nov 2012 #10
Roland99 Nov 2012 #19
Enrique Nov 2012 #2
sakabatou Nov 2012 #4
aroach Nov 2012 #5
thatwhichisnt Nov 2012 #6
PavePusher Nov 2012 #9
pnwest Nov 2012 #7
Union Scribe Nov 2012 #11
aletier_v Nov 2012 #12
AnnieBW Nov 2012 #13
Locrian Nov 2012 #14
fascisthunter Nov 2012 #15
EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #16
Iggy Nov 2012 #17
PavePusher Nov 2012 #21
Iggy Nov 2012 #27
FrodosPet Nov 2012 #32
Iggy Nov 2012 #33
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #26
Iggy Nov 2012 #28
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #30
Iggy Nov 2012 #31
apocalypsehow Nov 2012 #29

Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 04:56 PM

1. Someone I know (a gun enthusiast) thought it would be

a great idea if someone with a concealed carry permit were to open fire at the perp in a crowded dark theater.
Yeah, right. What could go wrong?

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 04:57 PM

3. A round robin of CCW permit holders firing all over the place

wingnuts' wet dream.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:00 PM

8. Cite to such an occurance, please? n/t

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:07 AM

18. Ummm...what? I guess reading into things is not your strong point?

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:37 AM

20. You seemed to be presenting it as a statisically probable occurance.

 

Surely such would make the news, resulting in citable evidence that it's a real and important problem.

If I'm missing anything else, perhaps you can be more clear?

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:22 PM

22. How in the world would you deduce something like that from what I wrote??

I was obviously engaging in hyperbole to the statement in the previous post "What could go wrong?" which was obviously meant to be sarcasm.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:45 PM

23. My bad. It's been a rough week (or two) and I've been a bit satire-impaired.

 

You appeared (in my befuddled head) to be serious. Sometimes it's hard to tell around here, and my current personal circumstances (nothing life-threatening or dangerous) have had me rather distracted.

My apology for misconstrueing what you were saying.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:52 PM

24. Ah...no worries, eh?

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:02 PM

25. And you too! n/t

 

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:25 PM

10. The rootinist-tootinist-hard-core-shootinist-this-side-of-the-pecos kinda dreams

The rootinist-tootinist-hard-core-shootinist-this-side-of-the-pecos kinda dreams...

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:08 AM

19. exactly. The Wild West all over again (but much less restrained)

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 04:57 PM

2. we don't need gun laws

we can just rely on moms turning their sons in before their rampages.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 05:00 PM

4. Of course! Who needs laws when we have "concerned citizens."

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 05:05 PM

5. I live very near Bolivar

It's a less than 30 minute drive from where I live in Springfield. This is too close to home for me having a teenage daughter who would have been at one of the local screenings had we not been too broke for her to go. Scary.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 05:12 PM

6. Im a lefty CCW holder

While I do support some gun legislation to make sure they only go to the sane and non-criminals, I do also support the law-abiding citizens right to protect himself.

Glad his mother did the right thing. Saved, possibly, many lives.

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Response to thatwhichisnt (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:01 PM

9. Exactly, thank you. n/t

 

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 05:35 PM

7. great big kudos to his mother, that certainly could not have been an easy thing to do. But

God bless her for doing it.

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Response to pnwest (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:30 PM

11. +1

She probably saved a lot of people. It's better for her son that she did it, too.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:42 PM

12. She probably wouldn't have, except for Denver shooter

So there's something positive.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:44 PM

13. I know that Twi-Hards Are Annoying, But Geeze!

What is it with people wanting to become mass shooters? Maybe we shouldn't mention the perpetrators' names, so they don't get the publicity that they're seeking.

Besides, even Twi-Hards don't deserve to be shot. Then I would have to have sympathy for them. They're too much fun to mock now.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:55 PM

14. not just easy access to guns

Not just easy access to guns - the 24/7 news media stroke the sh*t out of these events. Cover the 'news' but stop with all the publicity and attention.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:45 PM

15. if only we had more brains

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:53 AM

16. I hope they have enough evidence

to convict and keep him locked up for a very long time .

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:12 PM

17. Uhh, Hold on a Sec...

 

I thought (according to the police, FBI, etc.) these guys "can't be stopped", "can't be surveilled" prior to committing a rampage killing like The Joker in Aurora??

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Response to Iggy (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:43 AM

21. Only when they run around telling everyone what they are planning.

 

The ones that keep their plans covert? Got a crystal ball?

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:30 PM

27. YES - The Internets = The Crystal Ball

 

but of course you have to be willing to use the tool, and admit you're already doing it.

Big mouthed doofs like The Joker were in fact broadcasting what they were planning-- via various pathetic websites they frequent-- and the dozens of orders of guns, ammo, gear which he had delivered to his home and workplace-- all paid for via credit card.

again, the notion this can't be monitored/tracked is about as dumb/naive as it gets.

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Response to Iggy (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:59 PM

32. So you are cool with police state level survellience?

Remember, folks, if the government did a better job of tracking people's communications and purchases, looking for dangerous patterns, we would all be much safer.

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:36 AM

33. IT IS IRRELEVANT whether or not I am "cool" with

 

a high level of surveillance-- it's already happening. please tell me you're not a totally naive rube who thinks if a couple hundred of us send a letter complaining about this to our congressman-- that the practice will actually stop.

you've got to be kidding me.

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Response to Iggy (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:56 PM

26. It's easier if they announce it in advance

 

and for that matter the Aurora shooter could have been stopped if the student affairs office had read his manifesto. Instead they ignored it.

So again it would seem that improved mental health access is more effective at stopping these sorts of things than banning guns.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:31 PM

28. Agreed, and

 

laws preventing the mentally ill from purchasing/owning guns and ammo needs to be strictly enforced.

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Response to Iggy (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:24 PM

30. The problem there

 

is that they have to be diagnosed first.

I don't think you'll find anyone here arguing for the rights of the severely (and violently) mentally ill to own guns.

The problem is identifying them before hand (usually the only indication is the shooting) and limiting it to only those who are a real threat and not expanding the definition of mentally ill to such an extent that it becomes a de-facto ban (like say by defining the desire to own a gun as a mental illness).

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:31 PM

31. We Just Spent $3 Trillion

 

on two wars of choice.. I think we can find the resources needed to identify the mentally ill among us.. it's not all that difficult.

Bogus-ness like "it's too hard" or "too expensive" is just that: BOGUS.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:43 PM

29. Yet another "law-abiding gun owner" - right up until the second he wasn't. n/t.

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