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Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:46 AM

Police Link Skull Found in Oxnard Trash Bin to Death Shrine

Source: CBS Four Los Angelles

Human remains found in an Oxnard trash bin Thursday probably came from an altar used to pray to an occult saint of death, police said.

Discovered in a metal trash container near the intersection of Fourth and D streets, the remains were first reported by a passerby just after 9:30 a.m.

The bones were likely used by criminals, according to Oxnard police Detective Luis McArthur.

Read more: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Oxnard-Ventura-County-Body-Parts-Report-179534121.html



hmm... and I will leave it at that.

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Reply Police Link Skull Found in Oxnard Trash Bin to Death Shrine (Original post)
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 OP
bluedigger Nov 2012 #1
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #2
bluedigger Nov 2012 #3
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #4
bluedigger Nov 2012 #5
agent46 Nov 2012 #7
Tom Ripley Nov 2012 #10
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #12
catzies Nov 2012 #15
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #17
catzies Nov 2012 #18
jpak Nov 2012 #16
MisterScruffles Nov 2012 #11
Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #6
Tyrs WolfDaemon Nov 2012 #8
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Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #9
starroute Nov 2012 #13
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #14

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:53 AM

1. Just another day in Oxnard, apparently.

Maybe the paper is going for a contrarian journalism philosophy - downplay anything remotely sensational.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:57 AM

2. Nah, it is more the, WHAT IS THE SANTA MUERTE?

I have knowledge of it, but that is my personal background...

Good news, media is starting to go there and cover it... bad news, media will take a while to get a handle on it. Oh and terrible news, they have been penetrating the US for years now, and this is another signal that it is here to stay. That is the worst news ever.

Suffice it to say, it is a really strange critter.

Some of the things the followers of it have done in Mexico would make this story look non sensational at all, as in one iota.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:02 AM

3. Of course you have personal knowledge of it.

We would expect no less!

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:08 AM

4. It goes with the territory

here, a descent intro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Muerte

Rarely do I recommend wiki, but that entry is still good.

Mind you, not every follower is a member of the underworld, but members of the underworld tend to be...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:25 AM

5. Thanks for the link!

Pretty interesting stuff. Not just for criminals, but outcasts, etc.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:37 AM

7. Looks like a parallel

to the ancient Kali cults that spread throughout the Indian sub-continent. Seems like this sort of thing has always been with us.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:34 AM

10. R. Andrew Chesnut’s Devoted to Death: Santa Muerte, the Skeleton Saint is a very good study

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:44 AM

12. Yup

Good read indeed.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:07 PM

15. OK, as someone who lives in the town next to Oxnard, this is in my local news

And, growing up Miami, I have of course heard of Santeria, but Santa Muerte, no. I have some reading to do.

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Response to catzies (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:15 PM

17. It is syncretism of Meso American faiths

That considered death all present and powerful, and Catholicism. It does not sacrifice people, hell, not even chickens, (like Maya and other native traditions that still need a real blood sacrifice)

It crosses social strata, and even some wealthy individuals pray to it, almost as a patron saint.

Where it gets really dark is with the criminal elements.

Those people do not have human sacrifices exactly, but when they kill somebody it's not just business, they pray to the Santa Muerte. It s the criminal element that tends to have real body parts in their altars. Others use the usual simulacrum of paper mâché and other media. Some of the more artistic skulls can easily pass as those of the día de Los Muertos, another older form of religious syncretism.

On the thread there is the link to the wiki page, a fairly good intro, and a book on it.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 05:35 PM

18. Yes, I read the wiki. Thanks. n/t

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:12 PM

16. Are they the ones that run Obama's Death Panels???

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:36 AM

11. Just another day in Oxnard, apparently.

 

"Maybe the paper is going for a contrarian journalism philosophy - downplay anything remotely sensational. " Just a bloodthirsty death cult practicing human sacrifice. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:27 AM

6. Look, when the skulls get full of bad ju-ju you gotta get rid of em. Like reverse air-fresheners.nt

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:25 AM

8. You can tell when they are almost full as the glowing eye sockets change color

They start out at green and slowly turn red.

Then once it is at the end of its life (ha-ha) the skull laughs at you and makes 'Your Mama' jokes.

Why else would you throw it away, they get annoying at that stage.

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Response to Tyrs WolfDaemon (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:27 AM

9. !



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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:37 AM

13. I really hate the headline, though

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I mean, when you read a headline that says, "Police Link Skull Found in Oxnard Trash Bin to Death Shrine," you expect that the story will involve the police coming up with an actual death shrine and some kind of evidence that links the skull to it.

But they've got nothing -- just a lot of wild guesses.

They may be right, but at this point it seems about on a level with the speculations that unexplained cattle mutilations are the doing of satanic cults.

Something like, "Police concerned that skull found in Oxnard trash bin may be linked to death cult" would be a lot more accurate.

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Response to starroute (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:47 AM

14. That is because the headline editor

Has no clue.

That said the Santa Muerte cult is no wild speculation.

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