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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:29 PM

Benghazi hearing turns ugly: Republicans accuse Obama of lying, Dems fire back

Source: NBC News

A House Foreign Affairs hearing on "Benghazi and Beyond" quickly turned into a shouting and accusations forum.

It began when Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) said this: "What is clear is that this administration, including the president himself, has intentionally misinformed, read that LIED, to the American people in the aftermath of this tragedy. Now President Obama has the gall to float the name as possibly secretary of State, the name of the person who is the actual vehicle used to misinform the American people during this crisis."

Rep. Brad Sherman, a Democrat also from California, called the attacks on Rice "unfair" and leveled that Colin Powell testified that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, because that's the information that was given to him.

Rohrabacher shot back, going further, intimating that what the White House has done is worse than Watergate.


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I really hope this crap bites these Rethug fu*kers in the ass. I can't believe this!

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Reply Benghazi hearing turns ugly: Republicans accuse Obama of lying, Dems fire back (Original post)
boguspotus Nov 2012 OP
Enrique Nov 2012 #1
kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #64
pansypoo53219 Nov 2012 #85
Coyotl Nov 2012 #2
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #19
Evergreen Emerald Nov 2012 #3
freshwest Nov 2012 #24
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #27
freshwest Nov 2012 #32
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #35
freshwest Nov 2012 #36
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #42
AndyTiedye Nov 2012 #53
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #59
AndyTiedye Nov 2012 #62
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #65
AndyTiedye Nov 2012 #110
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #111
freshwest Nov 2012 #86
sheshe2 Nov 2012 #92
2naSalit Nov 2012 #67
freshwest Nov 2012 #89
2naSalit Nov 2012 #99
freshwest Nov 2012 #101
2naSalit Nov 2012 #113
freshwest Nov 2012 #115
secondwind Nov 2012 #4
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #28
pscot Nov 2012 #48
patrice Nov 2012 #5
frylock Nov 2012 #31
patrice Nov 2012 #40
DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #66
patrice Nov 2012 #98
barnabas63 Nov 2012 #6
glinda Nov 2012 #8
glinda Nov 2012 #7
nc4bo Nov 2012 #11
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #17
patrice Nov 2012 #41
octoberlib Nov 2012 #9
barnabas63 Nov 2012 #10
heaven05 Nov 2012 #12
Cha Nov 2012 #16
Lasher Nov 2012 #22
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #33
magellan Nov 2012 #13
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heaven05 Nov 2012 #14
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #15
Roland99 Nov 2012 #18
patrice Nov 2012 #44
frogmarch Nov 2012 #54
2naSalit Nov 2012 #74
Jim__ Nov 2012 #20
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #21
Bill USA Nov 2012 #23
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Samantha Nov 2012 #47
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #51
Samantha Nov 2012 #87
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Samantha Nov 2012 #109
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #112
mimi85 Nov 2012 #52
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #56
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #26
high density Nov 2012 #29
applegrove Nov 2012 #30
GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #34
Caretha Nov 2012 #37
DFW Nov 2012 #38
Skittles Nov 2012 #106
Archae Nov 2012 #39
blue_heron Nov 2012 #43
Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #45
johnq45 Nov 2012 #46
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dwp6577 Nov 2012 #60
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ancianita Nov 2012 #63
ffr Nov 2012 #68
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2naSalit Nov 2012 #77
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boguspotus Nov 2012 #75
elbloggoZY27 Nov 2012 #72
Overseas Nov 2012 #73
Liberalynn Nov 2012 #83
azureblue Nov 2012 #84
Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #78
DallasNE Nov 2012 #79
Skittles Nov 2012 #107
kiranon Nov 2012 #82
2naSalit Nov 2012 #88
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #94
ancianita Nov 2012 #97
CBHagman Nov 2012 #91
Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2012 #104
defacto7 Nov 2012 #93
2naSalit Nov 2012 #100
John2 Nov 2012 #96
Overseas Nov 2012 #102
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MisterScruffles Nov 2012 #105
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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:30 PM

1. and Congress's approval rating sinks further

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Response to Enrique (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:35 PM

64. Watergate?? Watergate was a criminal charge and coverup of a felony. What are these people talking

about. They are going to drive themselves insane over Obama's re-election. I suspect it has taken at least 10 years off each of their lives.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #64)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:32 PM

85. they think they can make this into bengazi-gate.

since they can't find a whitewater. ANYTHING WILL DO.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:31 PM

2. No wonder they nominate liars and lie so much, to convince people Obama might have lied once. LOL

They just don't understand the President, do they? Tragic for our country.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:54 PM

19. He never lied at all, and the RePIGS are going to get SMASHED TO PIECES on this.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:31 PM

3. It has only just begun

They don't care what the American people voted for. ....they impeached clinton

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:59 PM

24. Yup, look to see the next two years of this, to hurt the mid-terms needed to get our agenda through.

I hope people realize this pattern. Because this worked before with Clinton even though he was not impeached in the end.

But we ended up with a GOP majority with Newt's Contract ON America, designed to crush Democratic hopes and send the USA conservative.

Obama's last two years can be by far, his most productive if we stand against their games and keep our eyes on what we really need to do.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:05 PM

27. Well, perhaps Obama could have prevented some of this if he had been more pro-active

in investigating the Bush Administration. Once he set that bar, nothing that came afterwards would be as bad.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:13 PM

32. What fires would you want to let burn while chasing Bush? Insolvency, UEB, etc.?

Congress does the investigating, not the POTUS.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:17 PM

35. Bush sure did manage to get his fingers into all the right places using the powers of the

Executive Office/

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:19 PM

36. Who did Bush investigate?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #36)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:35 PM

42. Members of Bush's personal cabinet were making phone calls to the press.

For example, they were calling Tim Russert. You don't think that didn't have an impact in dispelling criticism from him while the Drudge-FoxNoise machine pushed for the Republican message?

He also had the power of the bully pulpit. The man is President, for God's sake. In the beginning, when we had more Dems in Congress, all Obama had to do is announce his priorities. Open government was something both parties would have been open to. But, if I recall, Obama surprised us in the first year or two by protecting secrets that extended into the Bush Administration. If the information had been more forthwith, we would have done the dirty work digging up the information he needed to show just how much the Bush Administration is to blame for the problems we're facing today. Once the public has the feeling there's something off, they push for investigations (What do you think the right-wingers are trying to do now?)

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #42)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:05 PM

53. The "Bully Pulpit" is Yet Another Privilege Only Accorded to Republican Presidents

The "Bully Pulpit" is a service of the Repiglickin' media, which means it is not available to a Democratic President.

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Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #53)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:21 PM

59. It's not afforded to the Democrats because they don't play the same dirty game that the Republicans

play. It's not about being right. It's about co-opting the public's support. The right-wingers are doing it now. That's what this Benghazi thing is all about. They're trying to get public support for an investigation, which will allow them to go on a fishing expedition to find information to blackmail Obama.

We need to 1) point out how destructive and obstructive they are; and 2) We can start by showing how they're acting like destructive trolls. We know how to do that, don't we?

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #59)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:33 PM

62. It is About OWNING the Media. We Don't. They Do.

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Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:42 PM

65. But we do have an impact on the internet.

If someone can get something we can sink our teeth into with this Benghazi situation, we can start with emails.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #65)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:52 AM

110. True, But It is Not Anything Like a "Bully Pulpit"

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Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #110)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:54 AM

111. If he leads the way, we will follow.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #42)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:36 PM

86. Okay, I see where you're coming from.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #42)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:10 PM

92. Yes Thank God he is the President. He will be again for the next four Years!

Let's be clear. The President took office during a financial crisis that rivaled the great depression.
Your first priority was for him to take up the Bully Pulpit and go after Bushco?

As much as I would love to see their sorry asses behind bars, I thank God that Obama had other priorities!

The right wingers you ask? They are doing what Darrell Issa is doing as seen in the links below. I have to say the man looks and acts like an ass.

Our President.... well he is acting Presidential!







http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7n3vsqVQ6FAA_HBXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2YXJqaWhxBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMTAEY29sbwNhYzIEdnRpZANNU1kwMDNfMTI0/SIG=13mbjsaj6/EXP=1353065327/**http%3a//www.politicususa.com/investigating-security-leaks-darrell-issa-puts-libyans-lives-risk.html
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Response to freshwest (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:52 PM

67. Actually he was

impeached but the Senate refused to oust him so they voted to end the charade. Impeachment is only proceeding #1, that takes place in the House. The Senate decides what to do about it after in proceeding #2.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #67)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:47 PM

89. By impeached I meant removed from office, not the procedure. But it took the national eye off what

Clinton could have done good and kept them focused on his underwear. That was not what we needed, and the current media shills got their start in that era. They profited as much as Ken Starr.

Although Daryl Issa didn't get away with the 'Fast and the Furious' to keep Obama a one-termer, they can make enough stink, and it is THEIR media, to stop the momentum Obama is trying to build for more progressive changes. Democrats have entrenched enemies, well-funded and always given a pass in media. It makes it damn hard to change minds.

Thanks for the correction, I was aware of the difference but since the Senate stopped them, and he stayed, one might discard that. Still it damaged his presidency and kept him from going forward, since the GOP has always done well controlling the narrative for midterm elections for a ong time. We will lose big if we get in the ditch with them.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #89)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:53 AM

99. I hoped that's what you meant.

I'm kind of new here but I like t be informed about some of the particulars and help others with that too since so much goes unnoticed when it comes to misinformation on blogs.

I agree with your comment about the way it all went down and that the dems lost a lot of momentum because of it. And the media plain stinks to high heaven because they are pretty much owned and operated by Murdock and his ilk. I guess the best we can do is try and thwart their efforts to keep the strangle hold on the information that goes out to the public and try help the public become informed. One of the biggest things I thought was a tragedy in the public schools ~ well, beside cutting arts programs because I'm an artist (among other things) ~ is civics and government. It's really hard to have an informed electorate when they don't have a clue.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #99)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:56 AM

101. You're doing good. And as far as arts and civics.. Yes, bi loss. All of what was called a 'liberal'

education, meaning well-rounded, expanding all the thought and reasoning processes instead of training people just for corporate work have been culled from eduation.

I even find a number of people here who have no idea about government. They get enraged over the media driven emotional conceptions of what one Congressman, Senator, Governor or even the POTUS can do. It's this grandoise idea that they don't have to deal with all of the unglamorous things that people have to do, as if it's all done with triumphant music. winning in a minute.

Media promotes a bully or godfather view of the powerful, that they can just say what's going to be done, and it will be done or heads will roll. That's not democracy they're longing for, with our due process and respect for all parties involved; it's the desire to have a strong man, a dictator, sweep all the things they despise out of their path.

I have grown wreary of googling for people who see a media story and immediately get into a rage that the Democratic Party or Obama, or whoever, is not governing by fiat and able to do everything. Facts don't mater, how it's done doesn't interest them at all.

Change is accomplished with coalitions, it's all a group process. And it's not about being spineless, cowardly or sold off. That's this Sopranos reality that media has put out, all are in it for themselves, none has an altruistic bone in their body.

And the abuse I've seen heaped on our elected figures, by people who refuse to learn the basics or get involved in the hard work of dealing with people face to face, day in and day out, year in and year out, and then start calling names. os discouraging. And it's not very honest, IMO.

Keep on posting and putting it there, and I agree, education is taking the biggest hits of all, and it's not at all progressive. Too many people bought into conspiracy, believe funding the government is oppression, so they don't want to pay their taxes and refuse to be involved in changing it. Those taxes support education, healthcare, the poor and others that make a society worth living in.

I'll see you around later, have a good evening.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #101)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:01 PM

113. Thanks

It's hard to tell sometimes, when folks are just venting on a blog, whether they possess a general understanding of their responsibility in the democratic process. It's really a shame that it's come to a point where most of the citizenry only understand what they've learned from the sitcom generation of TeeVee. They learned how to discredit by disrespectful faux peer pressure and preying on the ignorance of their surroundings... including their clueless peers. The problem with that generation of nonthinkers is that the emotional aspects of put-down interaction and reveling in the best put-down line to be the best at anything, king of the snappy quips, is that is has found it's way into our democratic process. I think that is mostly due to the fact that politicians have found it useful fodder to rile up the masses so they don;t have to do much more than prove to be the rudest in the room to win the day, as we saw yesterday in the House Comte Hearing. Good thing the Dems shot back with a rational argument, that's what I expect of them and to point out the BS that has been taking place in the absence of real governing.

What I see in the form of social transformation (for a while and especially in the Clinton impeachment - the end of Bu$h in office) is that the general public have taken the paradigm described above, to a sustained zenith with the most dangerous consequence. That being that we have been led into baseless war with a large sector of the global population, waving our collective weenie at them and all the while claiming that we have the god-given right to do so because we have the guns to do it and the appetite for all their resources. It seems that sine we want something we are granted some divine right to just take it because we have the bully machines to do it. And hardly anyone wants to notice that what we are taking is the most dangerous poison... like heroine addicts stealing some really bad batch and wallowing in the fact that we cheated the dealer. All that money could have been spent on education, renewable energy and cleaning up our act... instead we opted for the alleged drug of choice and kicking the can of rehabilitation down the ditch until we find we are hanging on to the drain grate calling for the social services we gutted years ago to come and save us from ourselves. This practice was revived by R$ this election cycle, hamRove was a major player in that strategy.

That consequence is biting us in the butt and the WR clan can't see it because they are blinded in their emotive state, with no rationale desired or sought to understand that they are being duped, they just know they are getting screwed only they are looking in the mirror without recognizing that they are screwing themselves. The worst case scenario for the "smoke and mirrors" cliche.

Through this emotional mechanism, the electorate have learned that the government is evil, in some cases they are right but they don't understand why in many cases, and that paying taxes is for fools. Both of us understand that taxes fund everything the government does (except for paying the big perks that the plutocrats offer our elected officials). But what the wealthy seem to forget is that they couldn't have gained any of that wealth, or most of it, if we all didn't pay taxes to fund our progress as a people. No roads, a lot less commerce etc. It's not like they pay for our primary education so we can do the work that makes them the money, I think that's a fundamental problem with the RW clan too, they just don't get it. (Went to a hearing years ago regarding Clinton's Roadless Initiative and one of the RW hate clan yelled out at one point, "Don't tell us that the BLM's been taken over by the federl govamint!" Many of us had a hard time not bursting out laughing since they were a mean looking bunch in the back of the room by the door.) It was actually sad, what's going on now is sad as it's the same thing in essence.

But that's just my take on it...

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #113)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:50 PM

115. Very good take on it, and I'm going to save that to read again later. Thanx!

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:32 PM

4. Is this their way of saving face after the WHOOPASS we gave them last



week? If so, they are not doing themselves a favor!

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Response to secondwind (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:06 PM

28. Yes. It's an hysterical tantrum.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:49 PM

48. Nervous breakdown

They'll be seeing snakes before long.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:33 PM

5. April Glaspie, April Glaspie, April Glaspie, April Glaspie, April Glaspie, April Glaspie ~

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Response to patrice (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:13 PM

31. ^this^

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Response to frylock (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:31 PM

40. Tks! frylock! This is why they can't believe Rice. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:45 PM

66. Good one, patrice!

This fucking outrage has the mil-thickness of Saran Wrap.

What flimsy crap.

They are trying to re-inflate the rectums of the TeaBaggers.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #66)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:27 AM

98. Yes. Their dishonest expectations as to the functions of diplomats are exemplified by Glaspie, so

they're paranoid about anyone like Susan Rice with integrity.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:33 PM

6. Republicans have become completely unhinged...

PLEASE PROCEED!

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:34 PM

8. He needs extra protection.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:33 PM

7. Seriously, something is going to explode.

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Response to glinda (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:40 PM

11. Somewhere there is a tipping point...

We can't continue on this path of madness.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:53 PM

17. Come on 2014. We need to SMASH the RePIGS into PERMANENT MINORITY STATUS. They are SCUM !!

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Response to glinda (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:33 PM

41. If those fuckers think we're going to give up on them, they're MISERably mistaken!

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:35 PM

9. They're desperate and are trying any way they can

to discredit Obama.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:37 PM

10. Here is the best part!!


Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY) speaking -

"He added, "Could you tell me which of my colleagues on this committee was as bodacious in their insistence that we provide more money for American security in the State Department budget. I would appreciate it."

Ackerman then asked them to raise their hands and gave them a count of five to do so. None did."

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:41 PM

12. quietly

nuked em.

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:52 PM

16. Thank you, Gary Ackerman! Thanks for this, barnabas

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:56 PM

22. Good for him!

I can't wait for Alan Grayson to get back into Congress.

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:14 PM

33. +1 nt

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:45 PM

13. Repub projection at its worst!

What is this alleged lie? Where's the evidence? Do they have even one slim piece of paper to prove what they say, compared to the mountains of documents that prove Bush** lied us into Iraq and caused thousands of American deaths which they never batted an eyelash at?

These guys are treasonous, immoral, hypocritical thugs. I'm only glad to read the Dems aren't putting up with their bs.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:48 PM

14. I

sure hope all this politicizing blows up in their face. They have disgraced themselves and this country by making the death of a foreign service officer and three others a political issue. They have no shame. Mean, vicious individuals with zero integrity. May they all end up with egg on their face and looking stupid.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:51 PM

15. Go ahead TEANUTS, make our day! Keep channeling McCarthy. Ya won't get elected dog catcher in 2014.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:53 PM

18. Every Repuke is now merely a conduit for Faux News

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:36 PM

44. Yep. The Tea Party won their party. There are no Republicans, only Tea Thugs.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:11 PM

54. Yep, the tail is

wagging the dog.

Foxsuckers.

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Response to frogmarch (Reply #54)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:00 PM

74. What I've noticed

is that they are trying to project all their BS and failings onto the prez and his Cabinet embers. What they are claiming is what they are and have been doing. If pay attention to what they are screaming about is actually what they are guilty of or a 180 of what they actually know to be true, then project it onto those they accuse. They need to be tried for treason.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:54 PM

20. The democrats can - and should - kick ass on this.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:55 PM

21. The RePIGliSCUMS are VILE DISGUSTING PIECES OF ROTTEN INFECTED MONKEY SPUNK !!

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:57 PM

23. Republicans are less appealing than the stuff that comes out of a cess-pool.



Rohrabacher you are nothing but fecal matter. You should be flushed down a toilet.



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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:01 PM

25. Setting up for impeachment. Doesn't matter how irrational, they're determined.

Just despicable.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:43 PM

47. That is one way of overturning the results of an election

and I do think they will try to pursue it. They want to disable President Obama in his second term, and an impeachment would be a major distraction to pursuing his agenda.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:54 PM

51. They want to do to him what was done to Pres Clinton. They need to be stopped. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:37 PM

87. That is exactly what I was thinking when I typed that post

We haven't heard the end of this. They have no shame.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #87)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:33 PM

95. It might help if we keep the meme going that the Repukes are looking

for an excuse to impeach. Maybe the media will get the message.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #95)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:10 AM

109. They can never get him removed from office with an impeachment

True, the House could initiate a trial, but the Senate would have the final say as to guilt. It would require a 2/3 vote to remove him from office, and with the Senate's current composition, they could not get it.

But they can showboat and threaten which would be terribly distracting to implementing President Obama's second term goal. That might be their real objective.

I don't think we can rely on the media to help us. The cynic in me thinks many commentators would LOVE an impeachment story because it would enrich their broadcasting material. Doesn't matter it could harm the Country, only ratings matter to them.

I think we need stronger, assertive Dems stepping out, demanding evidence for the Republicans outrageous assertions, and hitting back at them. But that is just my opinion.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #109)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:16 AM

112. They know they cant remove him but they can do what they did to Pres Clinton.

Keep him busy for his term then tell the American people they need a REpuke for President.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:00 PM

52. Damn I'm Clueless...

I didn't even think of that. Makes me nauseous. So much hate out there - just can't wrap my mind around it. Guess cause I just don't think that way. Except for W & Friends - I have to admit I thought about impeachment then, but at least it was for good reason. Just heard on Ed Show that people are getting robocalls about impeaching PBO. High crimes & misdemeanors? Give me a break! What a bunch of sick, twisted racists!

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:17 PM

56. they're determined.

they're demented....

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:03 PM

26. It's so obvious what they're doing.

1998 revisited. The Republican party has no new skills.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:06 PM

29. I'm glad we're still talking about Benghazi instead of real issues

I thought this BS would end with the election, but I guess the GOP and Fox News would rather talk about this instead of the continued GOP obstructionism on taxes.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:10 PM

30. The GOP are desperate for an Obama scandal. And this is all

they got: a terrorist attack in the very dangerous middle east? How pathetic. Shows us how what a Mr. Clean Obama really is.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:17 PM

34. They better find someone better than Brad Sherman ...

to fire back; Sherman essentially agreed that Rohrabacher had scored a point.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:24 PM

37. May it bite these asshats in the ball sack area

New Chinese proverb. May your dick rot off and your progenitors die a death of gangrene of the gonads.

I have no patience left for these mutherfuckers.

NO HOLDING BACK.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:25 PM

38. Translation into English:

"OK, so we can't impeach Obama for adultery. We'll find something else. Uppity Democrat thinks it's OK to win a second term, we'll show him who's boss."

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Response to DFW (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:59 AM

106. CORRECT

they are making fools of themselves

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:27 PM

39. Rohrabacher is still desperately running from his previous support of the Taliban.

Yeah, he's "tough on terrorists."

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:35 PM

43. This makes me sick

They are making a mockery of our democracy. We are supposed to be an example for the world. I wish someone in the republican party would have the honor and moral courage to publicly shame them for how they are behaving.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:39 PM

45. What?? I don't get this

Where's the lie here? Where's the cover-up? Do they have any evidence at all?

Jesus, they've lost their collective minds.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:39 PM

46. Yeah, these conservatives have refused to humble themselves.........

 

and are in denial of their loss in the last election. Its time to really bring on the pain! I hope they keep it up because they are just pissing more people off!

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:49 PM

49. I'm done with Republicans.

Worse than Watergate? They're pissing on reality. I really wish the media didn't play along with this insanity.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:53 PM

50. Watch, they are going for impeachment. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:22 PM

60. agreed...sickening and scary people

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:53 PM

90. you beat me to it!

They are absolutely going to impeach him. They have no shame.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:16 PM

55. Nixon wasn't impeached, wasn't found guilty, and a President can do whatever they choose

 

why people here are furthering this story is beyond me.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:21 PM

58. Nixon wasn't impeached

Only because he resigned 1st!

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #58)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:29 PM

61. Because he didn't want a constitutional crisis. Clinton was impeached but not kicked out

 

the republicans can NOT toss out Obama long as the senate is democrat, and we have a 56-45 lead (including Biden, who would become President as the a-holes on the right found,

JFK died, but LBJ actually achieved things JFK never would have used his capital for.

So its all a bluff and a bad one.

(espeically as it was the Bush's that most likely took out Nixon behind closed doors).

Which is why Kerry and Warren and the other 53 senators need to remain in office til 45 Hillary takes over.

Because if they took the senate, then it could be a problem

And look at Bill, soon his wife will be President in 2017, and he will be back in the White House and wears his impeachment but not ouster as a badge of courage.

Especially as there is no issue here except that Democrats are furthering the republican agenda by commenting on it instead of ignoring it, thereby selling Obama down the river much like the stupid Dems sold Jimmy Carter and LBJ down the river

It really makes one wonder.

Meanwhile Obama should sign an executive order this Thanksgiivng granting amnesty to 100% of all those from south of the border, and opening up the citizenship to all.
He really doesn't need Congress permission to do it

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #61)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:10 PM

76. Because he didn't want a constitutional crisis.

because he didn't want to be found guilty, you mean.

"You won't have me to push around anymore".

Either you are remembering things differently from or you weren't there and have just read about it.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #76)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:30 PM

81. Read Russ Baker's Bush family secrets. It shows why the breadcrumbs were only Woodwards

 

and not Bernstein.

either way, Nixon was never found guilty

In the US, one is innocent til proven guilty, as the ACLU shows, no matter who is their client
good or bad, we have ONE law.

Either way, there will be no ouster of Obama, bad for the people who hate him.

Obama won. They lost.

and Obama's place in history is secure
whereas McCain is a footnote like the name I forgot already who lost this year

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #81)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 03:14 AM

108. Read Russ Baker's Bush family secrets. It shows why the breadcrumbs were only Woodwards

True.... your entire post...

Still...Nixon resigned to avoid prosecution. That was obvious.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:20 PM

57. Impeaching Obama will ruin them - Americans will be disgusted

We sat still for,that once. What can we do to stop them from doing this again?

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:33 PM

63. People who voted Obama into office have to Wake The Fuck Up.

We need names of all the members on this committee. People have to make phone calls to threaten these guys with serious repercussions if they continue.

http://www.opensecrets.org/cmteprofiles/profiles.php?cmteid=H11&cmte=HINT&congno=112


All is not well. Americans can't just vote in a good president to a second term and turn away from this spectacle as if HE DOES ALL THE REST. They damned well better not think this is Jump-Start Democracy.

This is beyond fucked up.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:52 PM

68. And where in all this does Darrell Issa get a pass for exposing Libyan operatives???

Turn Issa loose and our entire undercover network will be in jeopardy. Rethugs are loose cannons. Cut them off and send them to their rooms without supper!

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Response to ffr (Reply #68)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:54 PM

69. Don't make specious jokes. This is a serious setup for impeachment.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #69)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:57 PM

71. Deleted!

^^^ YOU.

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Response to ffr (Reply #71)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:23 PM

80. You're about as trifling as your joke. This shit's no laughing matter.

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Response to ffr (Reply #68)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:10 PM

77. Issa

Is the 21st century's McCarthy. I'm going yo have a look at some stuff and see what the public can legally do to truncate an attempt at impeachment. Aside from that, I suggest that we and aeveryone we know organize to get these POSs out of places of power.

And I think that as soon as POB and Panetta have the goods on the actuaries in this issue, they need to expose them and run them up the flag pole in short order to end this crap.

Stay tuned, I'll be back.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:57 PM

70. I like THIS GUY

"The election is over. The president won reelection. The voices of the public were heard. They want us to cooperate. If you want an honest investigation of this tragedy, we will join you. But if you want to persist in trying to put this, lay this somehow at the doorstep of the president or the secretary of State or the United Nations ambassador, you will find us ready and willing to resist to the teeth."

Rep. Gerald Connolly (D-VA)

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #70)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:09 PM

75. I like this guy too!

The Repugs are probably still thinking that they can push over the Dems as they have done over the last 4 years (or longer) - but I think they are going to get way more responses like Rep. Connolly's response. We won - time to call these fuckers on their bullshit. And actually, I do think it will happen! Thank Freakin' god.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:58 PM

72. Stop This Junk Science

 

It's really amazing how the GOP is living in their own delusions and just keep bashing the now reelected President.

I am really tired of all this do nothing ugly agenda and get to the real issues of the Economy & Jobs.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:59 PM

73. The party that ignored the August 6th PDB and invaded Iraq on lies and violated Nuremberg and Geneva

Conventions

is going to tell us that OUR president deserves impeachment?

I hope Democrats spoke up about that.

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Response to Overseas (Reply #73)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:30 PM

83. +1

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Response to Overseas (Reply #73)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:30 PM

84. maybe start a committee

to investigate Iraq era war crimes, and who did what, from Bush on down past Rove? If that happened, I have a feeling the Repubs would panic

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:12 PM

78. The Fox News/ Right wing Infotainment industry sets the agenda for today's Republican Party

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:23 PM

79. Why Is This Committee Even Holding Hearings?

Serious question. This belongs in the Intelligence committee of each chamber. On Wednesday the Senate was briefed on Benghazi but only 3 of 8 Republicans thought it was important enough to bother showing up. In the scope of things this is not even that important of a matter.

No evidence has yet surfaced to show that there were even any substantial mistakes made. The State Department had better data than the CIA so the question arises as to how this could happen but it doesn't reflect any crime or cover-up that has been shown. There was a blog report, which I take with a grain of salt, that said the CIA was holding 2 prisoners in the annex building and the attack was to free those prisoners but I have seen a 2nd source to confirm so I tend to dismiss.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #79)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 03:03 AM

107. because Faux News needs hearings

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:30 PM

82. Am so tired of this phony GOP outrage while Rome burns.

There's work to be done on the Post Office, the fiscal crisis/cliff and immigration. There is no way anyone could get good intelligence quickly about Benghazi. Any investigation takes time to figure out what happened and sometimes no one ever figures it out completely. Early reports are usually wrong. Especially in a foreign country with minimal government/security in place. The GOP is just making everyone angry with its hysterical comments signifying nothing. The GOP is further insulting the people of this country and their numbers will go down even further if they don't get down to doing what they were sent to Washington to do. Accept it GOP - you lost because of your own incompetence. Don't further prove that point with this nonsense about Benghazi.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:38 PM

88. Okay, for all who are interested in strategizing

to prevent an impeachment circus, I have found a link to the process of impeachment at the gov library site.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/141598.pdf

This explains the process of removal of a president through impeachment. The house has to initiate it, and that's all these shitheads have control of. Aside form that, it only takes one of these insolent jerks to get the ball rolling. BUT, it takes two thirds of the Senate to do anything about it. The point here is to keep the process from going beyond some ignorant self-serving hotheads. They need to be exposed immediately and disemboweled or at least marginalized into insignificance.

So before the gauntlet and the dirty word is spoken, we need to get Obama's back. Not sure how to work that at the moment and I need to get some dinner. We do need to keep on these guy's asses and debunk them at ever turn because they are on a tear like an insane person with no sense left their head, and those are really dangerous, ruthless and reckless... like the butthead who passes you at breakneck speed 100ft from the stop light, they are willing to kill you, themselves and anyone around just to be the first one at the stop light. Or better yet, they could be likened to a suicide bomber. Read up and think u some strategies cuz this is probably going to be the next hot issue for them.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #88)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:31 PM

94. Even though there isnt a chance in hell to get the Senate to approve, impeachment

can be very messy, ala. Pres Clinton. How can we stop it from proceeding?

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #88)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:16 AM

97. Can't a superPAC still run a skeletal phone bank operation...

pull up a full page ad in a major Sunday paper in major cities, etc.? (I'd bet some of that same kind of money is getting funneled into the opposition that keeps these jackals ignoring The People's business in Washington.)

Keeping up public political awareness is an ongoing slog, but freedom isn't free and democracy won't run its own self.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:01 PM

91. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) is doing his '90s shtick.

A little background: Rohrabacher's the one who says the Benghazi situation is worse than Watergate. He's also recycling his act from the Clinton era, when he tried to excuse Iran-contra (you know, arms for hostage deals, illegal wars, and more) while screaming himself red-faced about the Clinton administration's non-inteference in the shipment of arms to Bosnia (See section on Peter Galbraith at the link below).

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/1998/9811.worth.hyde.html

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Response to CBHagman (Reply #91)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:27 AM

104. Rohrabacher won yet another term

62% to Ken Arnold's 37% in CD 48 (New).

He and Issa winning re-election were 2 huge disappointments - they are treasonous bastards who need to be swept away in '14.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:26 PM

93. Maybe secession isn't such a bad idea

Put the whole GOP on a cruise ship and let them rule that... forever.

Just set'm out to sea and leave'm.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #93)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:59 AM

100. Give them an island in the Pacific

Like Bikini Atoll. Not only is it radioactive, it's gonna sink in a couple years.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:05 AM

96. Richard Wolfe

 

also say Republicans seem to like scapegoating African Americans as their target. It gives them a pretty good image to rile up their Base. It all fits into their propaganda. People are figuring their tactics out. They lied against another African American woman who was put in a prominant position in President Obama's first Term and ran her out of her job by calling her a racist. Susan Rice was just doing her job and had nothing to do with Benghazi. She was just putting out what the CIA gave her. So they praised Petraeus and target this African american woman. As far as I'm concerned they are cowards. They can target me. They'll probably call my language hate speech. I call it defending my honor. And John McCain is milking that hero status. That don't fly with me though. I'm a vet too.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:57 AM

102. I am really so thrilled that Democrats exposed the GOP frauds! Great work!

So proud of my Democrats today in the Congressional Bengazi Hearings.

Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY) unloaded, first sarcastically: “Let’s just hang the guilty parties.”

“The stench of hypocrisy that hangs over this city today emanates from this room.” ”I’ve listened to my colleagues talk about the President of the United States and others in the administration using terms ‘deliberate’, ‘lies’, ‘unmitigated gall’, ‘malfeasance,’ which is malicious and knowing evil-doing, ‘disgust’, ‘coverups’.”

He continued, “If you want to know who is responsible in this town, buy yourself a mirror!” Ackerman went on to say that Republicans had “the audacity to come here” when the administration requested, for worldwide security, “$440 million more than you guys wanted to provide. And the answer is that you damn didn’t provide it! You REDUCED what the administration asked for to protect these people. Ask not who the guilty party is, it’s you! It is us. It is this committee, and the things that we insist that we need have to cost money.”

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:02 AM

103. Democrats did the giant magnanimous gesture many of us hated of Taking Impeachment Off the Table

for the Republican administration

that IGNORED the August 6th 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing

and declared a brutal War on Iraq on false pretenses and made millions and then

crushed The Nuremberg Principles and The Geneva Conventions

in the name of the American people!

The GOP really does seem to have no shame. They don't recognize that Giant Bipartisan Gesture Speaker Pelosi did, that many of us still resent, and dare to try cheap tricks to smear our Democratic president.

Enough is Enough! I hope all Democrats keep speaking out loudly!

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:33 AM

105. Brad Sherman is an idiot

 

I live in his district. He's a windbag. It takes the republican party to make him look reasonable.

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Response to boguspotus (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:36 PM

114. Really? Its actually the CIA who needs a beating...

they are the ones who handed the WH the intel and in trusting that intel passed it along to Rice to relay that intel to the public. It looks like Pratreus was so busy being a male slut that he did do his job.

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