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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:21 AM

Maine's Angus King to caucus with Senate Democrats

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) Independent Senator-elect Angus King of Maine says he has decided to caucus with Democrats, which will add to the party's voting edge. His decision ends months of speculation about which party he would align with.

The former Maine governor was elected last week to replace retiring Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe, a prominent centrist. GOP and conservative super PACs spent millions of dollars to attack King during the campaign for Snowe's seat.

With King joining their caucus, Democrats will have a 55 to 45 edge in the Senate.

King said Wednesday that caucusing with Democrats will still allow him to take independent positions on issues.

Read more: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-11-14/maines-angus-king-to-caucus-with-senate-democrats

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Reply Maine's Angus King to caucus with Senate Democrats (Original post)
trailmonkee Nov 2012 OP
Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #1
JaneyVee Nov 2012 #2
sofa king Nov 2012 #14
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #3
FailureToCommunicate Nov 2012 #7
grantcart Nov 2012 #8
brooklynite Nov 2012 #10
Hutzpa Nov 2012 #13
Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #16
Faryn Balyncd Nov 2012 #29
quispquake Nov 2012 #4
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #23
SacoMaine61 Nov 2012 #5
iandhr Nov 2012 #6
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #9
byeya Nov 2012 #11
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #12
rocktivity Nov 2012 #15
Maineman Nov 2012 #18
harmonicon Nov 2012 #17
Maineman Nov 2012 #19
harmonicon Nov 2012 #21
mainer Nov 2012 #31
harmonicon Nov 2012 #32
Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #20
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #22
amandabeech Nov 2012 #24
Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #27
Bucky Nov 2012 #25
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #26
Nika Nov 2012 #28
mainer Nov 2012 #30

Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:24 AM

1. Republicans will not like this one

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:25 AM

2. This wasn't really a shocker. He's pro-choice, pro-SSM, believes in climate change, etc.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:02 PM

14. Plus Dems have Committee Chairs to offer...

... while Republicans can offer a high-chair at the folding kid's table in the kitchen.

Not one important Republican-authored bill has passed out of Congress in two years. Republican obstruction violated precedent and the stated rules of conduct in the Senate. As a result, virtually all Republicans are now "boxed out" as Jesse Helms was during his interminable and malevolent tenure in the Senate (Helms authored only a handful of bills in his decades, and almost none passed). No independent would willingly join the GOP at this point unless they were somehow aligned by some bond of stupidity.

I don't expect Senator Reid to kill the filibuster just yet; he may, however, revert the rules back to the time when Senators actually had to conduct a filibuster, rather than have both sides agree to pretend there is one going on and go golfing instead. So there is an actual, physical incentive to join the Democrats: you may get to sit down while nothing happens.

But what Harry Reid will almost certainly do is stack every single Senate committee and subcommittee with a two or even three seat majority. That will effectively neutralize everything that the House of Representatives does, because no bill passed in the House will ever be favorably reported out of committee in the Senate.

There are 61 committees and 55 subcommittees in the Senate, most of which have to be run by someone, and the Chair of the lowliest Subcommittee will wield more power and influence in Washington than the most senior Republican Senator will have.

So choosing to caucus with the Democratic Party is a no-brainer for the two independent Senators from New England. We may even see a couple of Republican Senators change their stripes for the same reasons.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:30 AM

3. Now is the time to change the rules.

The filibuster has to go. Get the repuke house on record, over and over and over again, as obstructionists. Make 2014 about breaking the logjam.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:11 AM

7. Yes! Are the votes there NOW?

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:13 AM

8. Yes. At the begining of a new Senate session you only need a majority to pass new rules.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:49 AM

10. No. Last check, Reid didn't have 51 lined up...

...not saying he won't by January, but some older Dems are being resistant, and some have different ideas about how the rules should change.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:52 AM

13. Who are these old dems that you speak?

put them on blast please, this is not the time to be a pessimist.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:11 PM

16. I think the slution is not to abandon the filibuster, but to reinstate it.

As in for real. Make the bastards do all-nighters for a week or 2 ever tim they want to kill a vote.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:38 PM

29. Agreed...Make them strap on their urine bags & ACTUALLY filibuster, not just capitulate to threat



...of a filibuster.

Back when filibusters were real filibusters, they were consequently few and far between, and did not result in the need for a 60 vote supermajority on a daily basis (with no political cost to those that merely use the threat to get their way).




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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:45 AM

4. Not to mention...

Rove put a LOT of really nasty ads up against him in Maine...Angus actually mentioned this a few times in interviews...I'm sure that helped make his decision a lot easier (thanks Karl!!!).

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Response to quispquake (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:37 PM

23. He actually "thanked" Rove in his victory speech for revving up his base and making sure he won.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:57 AM

5. Surprise! Not! Yay!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:04 AM

6. Hardly a surprise. But Still good news.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:30 AM

9. I've been betting he would do this

Especially since it was Snowe he's replacing.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:41 AM

11. Nice to have it confirmed

 

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:46 AM

12. That's good news!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:08 PM

15. Or will he be a just another spy in the enemy camp

like LIEberman?


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:35 PM

18. I don't think so. I think he is an honorable person.

I moved to Maine after he was governor, so I don't know about him directly, but he is well respected in Maine. He won as an independent in spite of all kinds of crap from the right.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:29 PM

17. And if the Republicans would have won the senate, he'd caucus with them. No surprise. (nt)

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:37 PM

19. I think he is an honorable person who wants to be independent. Not possible with Republicans.

I moved to Maine after he was governor, so I don't know about him directly, but he is well respected in Maine. He won as an independent in spite of all kinds of crap from the right.

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Response to Maineman (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:25 PM

21. Why wouldn't he have gone with whatever party was in power?

He's not a leftist like Sanders, but he's also not a fuckwad like Lieberman who only stuck with the Dems because they were in power. However, if King was so sure to caucus with Dems, why didn't he state it in the campaign or even run on their ticket? He could have done either and still won handily.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:50 PM

31. He didn't declare because he wanted to garner votes from both sides of the aisle

Moderate Republicans (and yes, we do have them here in Maine) were willing to vote for Angus.

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Response to mainer (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:06 PM

32. And they wouldn't have voted for him if he'd declared beforehand that he'd caucus with Dems?

If that's the case, I hope he's all for serving only one term. I imagine he figures people would vote for him because of his character and his positions, though I also know he was the de-facto Dem candidate.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:05 PM

20. Good!

Glad to hear it.

I hope he becomes another Bernie Sanders.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:35 PM

22. GOOD ! It was the Dems who got him elected. Many I's and some R's, but MOSTLY D's. He's good.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:37 PM

24. Excellent news, but not unexpected.

He will be a much better "Independent" than that idiot Lieberman.

My gosh am I happy to see that creep go.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:00 PM

27. I don't think he'll be as bad but he's no liberal.

 

I'll hold my criticism like I held my nose when I voted for him. Cynthia Dil would have been better but she wouldn't have won a three-way race. We learned that lesson when LePage got in as the most putrid governor in recent Maine history, including Olympia Snowe's husband who was pretty awful.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:55 PM

25. Careful with those feathers... you might knock me over.

Not a big suspenseful question there.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:58 PM

26. The gop spent 3 million dollars against him so I am not surprised.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:20 PM

28. I expected this.

Besides, what do the Repugs have to offer except cold shoulders to a non-gopher anyway?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:48 PM

30. I assure you, he is philosophically a Democrat

I know this from personal knowledge. Plus his wife Mary worked for the Maine Obama campaign. Fiscally, he may be somewhat conservative, but on every social issue, he is definitely liberal. He and Mary donated to a gay rights initiative years ago -- back when it was still a daring thing to do.

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