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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:54 AM

Rick Perry Takes Stand On Texas Secession Issue

Source: Huffingtonpost

Texas Gov. Rick Perry does not stand behind a secession petition filed with the White House by a Lone Star State resident in the aftermath of the presidential election.

The Dallas Morning News reports that the Republican governor's press secretary, Catherine Frazier, said in an email that Perry "believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it." She added, "But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government. Now more than ever our country needs strong leadership from states like Texas, that are making tough decisions to live within their means, keep taxes low and provide opportunities to job creators so their citizens can provide for their families and prosper."

Several years ago, however, Perry declined to rule out the possibility that Texas could secede from the United States if significant changes weren't made to the nation's economic policies.

"There's a lot of different scenarios," he said at a Tea Party rally in 2009, CNN reported at the time. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."



Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/12/rick-perry-secession_n_2120453.html



Gov. Goodhair doesn't mind strolling down crazy street when he's talking to his fringe nut peeps, but when reality calls he speaks out of the other side of his face.

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Reply Rick Perry Takes Stand On Texas Secession Issue (Original post)
Major Nikon Nov 2012 OP
Live and Learn Nov 2012 #1
David__77 Nov 2012 #2
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #3
tama Nov 2012 #7
ItsTheMediaStupid Nov 2012 #24
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #26
FreedomRain Nov 2012 #4
Katashi_itto Nov 2012 #5
Katashi_itto Nov 2012 #6
Paladin Nov 2012 #8
txwhitedove Nov 2012 #18
kentauros Nov 2012 #22
KatyMan Nov 2012 #28
They_Live Nov 2012 #35
Katashi_itto Nov 2012 #44
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #36
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #9
KatyMan Nov 2012 #29
tonybgood Nov 2012 #10
lunatica Nov 2012 #11
Lars77 Nov 2012 #12
Daniel537 Nov 2012 #17
Lars77 Nov 2012 #19
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #21
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #38
DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #34
Ter Nov 2012 #43
Harriety Nov 2012 #13
demwing Nov 2012 #14
kentauros Nov 2012 #23
TruthBeTold65 Nov 2012 #15
Madmiddle Nov 2012 #16
malibea Nov 2012 #20
Ian David Nov 2012 #25
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #30
Ian David Nov 2012 #42
KatyMan Nov 2012 #31
Ian David Nov 2012 #41
KatyMan Nov 2012 #50
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #46
KatyMan Nov 2012 #51
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #54
CapnSteve Nov 2012 #27
Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #32
JoeyT Nov 2012 #47
Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #57
JoeyT Nov 2012 #58
Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #60
KatyMan Nov 2012 #33
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #37
Cha Nov 2012 #39
underpants Nov 2012 #40
Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #45
William Seger Nov 2012 #48
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #49
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #52
thucythucy Nov 2012 #53
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #55
and-justice-for-all Nov 2012 #56
Sundome Nov 2012 #59

Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:55 AM

1. Maybe he thinks we forgot. lol nt

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:16 AM

2. All this "job creator" nonsense...

It's about producers - whether workers or capitalists - versus oligarchy. The oligarchs loot the economy, and this "job creator" stuff is designed to confuse the issue. The right is not interested in building up real economy.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:31 AM

3. Nobody on the supply side creates jobs

They just facilitate them. Those on the demand side are the real job creators.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:01 AM

7. The oppression and robbery

 

is soooooo much easier when working class wage slaves are demanding for more wage slave jobs... to feed and serve the parasite classes.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:59 AM

24. Supply side economics is a straight up marketing lie

It didn't work for Reagan, it didn't work for W and it doesn't work now. It's just a gift to the already wealthy.

It is sold as something for nothing, i.e. lower these rates and revenue will magically increase. It didn't work out that way for Reagan or W, revenues decreased and we had record defecits.

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Response to ItsTheMediaStupid (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:34 AM

26. "job creators" just adds to the idiocy

It's kinda like claiming the airline pilot built the airplane.

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:40 AM

4. Oh Rick

I'm pretty sure this was settled along about 1865

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:45 AM

5. I say let the secession meme take root. We could always build a wall and shoot starving

Teabaggers.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:52 AM

6. Texas just made 60k Signatures

The Texas version has already topped the 60K threshold, so congratulations.

Hmm maybe I will sign it. Anything to help those patriots along. (Snicker)


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:33 AM

8. And We Texas Democrats Can Go Fuck Ourselves, Right?


Or do you propose that all 3.2 million of us who voted for Obama pull up stakes and move? Always nice to see the sort of big-time support we get here at DU. (Snicker not included.)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:06 AM

18. +100, Yup.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:42 AM

22. That's exactly what they propose.

I've seen way too many DUers suggest it would be a simple matter for us to up and leave our homes.

It's really kind of funny (and hypocritical) that when their states elect a republican governor, well, it's just not the same thing! "We'll fight to make our state blue again!"

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Response to Paladin (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:35 AM

28. Agreed

+1

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Response to Paladin (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:29 PM

35. + 1

The tide turns very slowly, but it is turning.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:24 AM

44. Their doing it to you.

however there is this petition:

Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them

Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.

I signed this.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:34 PM

36. How many of those are unique, individuals who actually live in Texas?

I could probably get a half-dozen signatures on that thing if I wanted, and I'm Canadian.

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:48 AM

9. I will trade Texas for Puerto Rico

Let them be a lone star!

They like to say down there, Texas is like a whole other country, lets see if they could survive. Oh, and that oil pipeline you want to run through the US, not happening. And good luck next time a hurricane hits the coast, because FEMA only takes care of the United States.

On edit, all those military bases will have to close and move to the United States.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:37 AM

29. While I agree that Texas isn't going anywhere

who says the military bases would go? We have lots of military bases in other countries. Take a look at England and Germany.

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:02 AM

10. There is only one word for talk of secession: TREASON!!!

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:05 AM

11. Maybe he still fancies himself as President.

Who wants to be Prez of Texas when you can be Prez of the whole country?

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:14 AM

12. Romney only won TX by about 1,2 million votes, 16%.

Texas will become a swing state fairly soon. 2016 might be too close, but 2020 it probably will be.

I bet the talk of secession will sound pretty stupid with half the state being democrats.

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:55 AM

17. 16% is a pretty big margin

Its a larger margin than some that Obama had in reliably blue states like Washington and Oregon. I honestly thought we'd do a little better in TX this time around because of the Hispanic vote, but it just didn't happen. It seems like talk of Texas becoming a swing state is pretty premature for now.

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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:14 AM

19. Well, 8 years is a long time.

- More registering of latino voters
- More migration from the north
- More latino immigration

It could happen

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:33 AM

21. We got work to do

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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:26 PM

38. It may not be as big as it appears

A lot of Democrats are just going to stay home on voting day because they know Texas is a red state. Texas has one of the lowest voter turnout rates in the nation.

Also there is always tremendous untapped resources for Democrats. Check out the age chart from this site...

http://smpbff1.dsd.census.gov/TheDataWeb_HotReport/servlet/HotReportEngineServlet?reportid=767b1387bea22b8d3e8486924a69adcd&emailname=essb@boc&filename=0328_nata.hrml

The green shows people who voted and the orange shows people who registered but didn't vote. People in the 60-69 age bracket had almost 3 times more people voting than people in the 18-29 bracket.

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:08 PM

34. In 2000, * beat Gore 63-37, '04 pretty much the same, '08 Grumpy took 77%

77-23!

Huge turnaround.

2012, Obama took every major metro over the other guy.

Texas is turning, quickly.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:04 PM

43. Wrong

 

In 2000, Bush won Texas 59-38, 2004 he won 61-38, on 2008 McCain won 55-44, and this year, Romney won it 57-41. No idea where you got 77% from. No state goes for one party by that much, although Utah and Hawaii come pretty close.

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:23 AM

13. Gov Perry knows what side his bread is buttered on....

he can yap about the big bad ole' government taking away freedom and all that rot, but when his hand is empty and money is needed? "Just keep 'em subsidies rollin' in thar parder and we'll be just right fine then. Thank ya!" (With a lot of help from Uncle Sam.)

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:27 AM

14. there is no right to unilateral secession

And no bi-lateral agreement granting apermission will ever be given to a state

This is nonsense pouting by people who aren't mature enough to deal with losing

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Response to demwing (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:47 AM

23. Yes, the epitome of the sore loser.

So why do so many DUers want to help them along? I thought we were better than them, especially with regard to our education levels?

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:48 AM

15. i am so glad these america lovers get to choose what goes in american text books

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:52 AM

16. Just a guess

but I don't think Dick Perry even knows what secession means. I witnessed some of the republican primaries and the big question is, how the hell did someone as stupid as him get elected to any office?

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:24 AM

20. This governor is talking out of both sides of his NECK again!

When will this igorant Gov. Perry shut up? He was the FIRST one calling for his state to secede-remember? Now he wants to talk out of the other side of his neck and say he does not stand behind the idea of his state seceding.

Why? Because he didn't think of it and say it first, so he can't take the credit for this thought? Good grief, a loser personified.

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:12 AM

25. Texas is the only Red state that pays its fair share in taxes, but just barely.

But if Mexico would give us a good price for Texas, maybe we can throw-in Oklahoma for free.

All you Texas and Oklahoma Progressives are welcome to move here. If anyone needs it, you can stay on my couch for a while.

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Response to Ian David (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:38 AM

30. This is because Texas has several major cities which are economic powerhouses

...and most of those cities are filled with Democrats.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:03 PM

42. Maybe those could be Texas's West Berlin. n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:40 AM

31. You won't find a single Texan

who wants to be thrown in any pot with Oklahoma.

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:02 PM

41. I didn't think Oklahoma sucked THAT much. n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:23 AM

50. I can't think of a single reason

that would ever compel me to move to Oklahoma. Not one.

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:16 AM

46. It depends on what kind of pot you're talkin' about

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:25 AM

51. nope.

Can't say I would move there no matter what kind of pot we're talking about.

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:43 AM

54. That doesn't mean we can't visit

I lived in Oklahoma for almost 10 years, unfortunately.

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:34 AM

27. Secession talk is just silly, can't happen. Now splitting Texas into two states...

...and splitting California into three states is not a bad idea. Liberal Texas would be the Gulf coast (Houston) and the border with Mexico. We would also get inland to Austin, San Antonio and Dallas. Every big city in Texas voted for Obama - even Dallas!

Redneck Texas would be all those rural counties that have no one in them. Maybe 9 electoral votes.

You end up with 20 electoral votes and 2 senators that would be bluer than blue.

California as three states would be all safely democratic.

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:43 AM

32. He was for it before he was against it

If you secede:

1) You must pay for ALL federal military installations.

2) Indian reservations are sovereign, and subject to military action if their sovereignty is violated.

3) You don't get any nukes.

4) If you leave, you may not re-apply for admission for 50 years.

5) You may not blockade or interfere with river/sea/ocean transit.

6) In the event of a natural disaster, emergency assistance requested must be paid for when the service is rendered. Refugees will be accepted only their nation state agrees to pay for aid and shelter.

I am sure other folk will have other suggestions for this list.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:14 AM

47. Good luck with that.

I think they'll get as many nukes as they already have sitting on their territory because if you try to take them they'll set them off. Oh, and the majority of the US military is from the south, so good luck enforcing any of that.

What'll happen is y'all will end up sitting next to Fundietopia, which will be indistinguishable from Iran. Except they'll be even crazier and they'll have nukes and be perfectly happy to use them whenever a whim strikes them.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #47)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:06 PM

57. How will they set the nukes off

without the codes?

The entire command and control structure of nuclear weapons is designed to prevent them from being used without orders from the CiC (that would be Obama)

Also, you are telling me that they will detonate nuclear weapons on their own turf? Fine by me.

And, it depends which branch of the military you are talking about. The Navy, for example, is mostly from the Northeast and West coast of the U.S. The Air Force is nationally dispersed, but with a lot of bases in the North along the coasts.

The Army and Marines have very FEW nukes, and those are smaller tac weapons being phased out.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #57)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:53 PM

58. I think they'd set off nukes on their own territory, yes.

The problem with sticking a bunch of people with no attachment to reality on an island and telling them to pick a leader is they're going to pick the craziest one. Even if they didn't have them to start with their main goal in life would be to get one.

My main objection isn't the nukes anyway. It's the part long before that when they wipe out anyone that isn't straight, white, and Christian.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #58)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:28 AM

60. Again, part of the

command and control structure is that nukes cannot be detonated without a code which is only transmitted by the president. Without it, they have some very expensive toys, but no weapons.

Secession would not be overnight, but a gradual process of over a decade (since Texas and others would have to pay for federal lands and facilities before they could leave the union).

I am talking about a governmental divorce, not the murder-suicide pact that was the Civil War.

The cool thing about Texas is that by the time ten years went by, the state would be under Latino control and secession would be cancelled.

Now South Carolina just needs to go. It has been a pain in the ass since 1783.

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:45 AM

33. Just saying

Texas had more people voting for Obama than most blue states. Surely you don't want to throw us over the cliff

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:21 PM

37. We are more PURPLE now than red...


In both the 2008 and 2012 elections Obama won the majority of our largest cities/counties here in Texas: Austin/Travis, Dallas/Dallas, Houston/Harris, El Paso, San Antonio, etc.

2008: Obama received over 3.5 MILLION votes from Texans.
2012: Obama is currently at 3,294,440


p.s. I hope everyone keeps in mind that there are MANY DUers here that live in Texas



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:29 PM

39. Thanks for the reality check, Tx4obama.. Gov Perry is sure gonna

disappoint those "77, 000" or so who want to secede from the Union.

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:51 PM

40. "governor's press secretary .... said in an email" This is "taking a stand" in Texas now???



Got on TV (p)Rick

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:10 AM

45. "Gov. Goodhair"

 

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:15 AM

48. Rick Perry Venn Diagram

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Response to William Seger (Reply #48)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:29 AM

49. The crazy caught up with him during his short run driving the clown car

Even the GOPhers were smart enough to figure out that crazy ain't gonna win a presidential election.

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:43 AM

52. Flip flop lol

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:19 AM

53. "...live within their means..."

Didn't Texas use federal stimulus money to help balance its budget?

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #53)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:54 AM

55. Yep, then Goodhair tried to use said balanced budget as a feather in his cap

He also bragged about all the jobs he created in Texas after Obama created more.

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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:54 PM

56. Really Rick??

Your state receives it far share of federal funds pal...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69072.html

"More than $380 million in early grants and other aid from the federal health law have already gone to businesses and agencies in the Lone Star State, according to figures from the Department of Health and Human Services, and Texas ended up with $17 billion from the stimulus"... "its expansion of Medicaid alone could cost the federal government anywhere from $53 billion to $67 billion in aid to Texas by 2019, according to estimates from the nonpartisan Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation.Thatís more than any other state would get under that part of the law. The only other state that comes close is California, which would get between $45 billion and $55 billion in federal Medicaid funds."





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Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:43 AM

59. If we ever did get rid of texas it would be a blessing - the RW would never win a presidential

election again without texas' electoral votes. Plus think of how much we would save in welfare(snicker.) (I'm pro welfare btw. I just think of how the RW is against it yet are the biggest recipients.)

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