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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:24 AM

Scandal probe ensnares commander of U.S., NATO troops in Afghanistan

Source: Washington Post

BOARD A U.S. MILITARY AIRCRAFT — The FBI probe into the sex scandal that led to the resignation of CIA director David Petraeus has expanded to ensnare Gen. John R. Allen, the commander of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, the Pentagon announced early Tuesday.

According to a senior U.S. defense official, the FBI has uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of “potentially inappropriate” emails between Allen and Jill Kelley, a 37-year-old Tampa woman whose close friendship with Petraeus ultimately led to his downfall. Allen, a Marine, succeeded Petraeus as the top allied commander in Afghanistan in July 2011.

The latest development in the unfolding scandal has shaken President Obama’s national-security staff and upended his carefully chosen plans for his military and intelligence team in his second term.

It also further calls into question the personal behavior of two of the U.S. military’s highest-ranking and most respected figures, who apparently ignored concerns about the highly sensitive nature of their jobs as they embraced personal relationships with younger women who were not their wives.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/scandal-probe-ensnares-commander-of-us-nato-troops-in-afghanistan/2012/11/13/7955fea4-2d54-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

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Reply Scandal probe ensnares commander of U.S., NATO troops in Afghanistan (Original post)
octoberlib Nov 2012 OP
VMA131Marine Nov 2012 #1
Bolo Boffin Nov 2012 #3
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #33
Bolo Boffin Nov 2012 #2
SpartanDem Nov 2012 #11
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #13
Bolo Boffin Nov 2012 #15
Pachamama Nov 2012 #62
kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #58
Lint Head Nov 2012 #4
BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #27
Carolina Nov 2012 #91
amandabeech Nov 2012 #5
BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #59
wordpix Nov 2012 #80
BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #82
Carolina Nov 2012 #92
amandabeech Nov 2012 #99
2naSalit Nov 2012 #94
amandabeech Nov 2012 #98
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #6
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #72
anobserver2 Nov 2012 #7
avaistheone1 Nov 2012 #12
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #8
Kablooie Nov 2012 #9
loudsue Nov 2012 #10
AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2012 #41
sammytko Nov 2012 #51
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #14
hexola Nov 2012 #16
wilsonbooks Nov 2012 #46
Cha Nov 2012 #49
wake.up.america Nov 2012 #17
octoberlib Nov 2012 #18
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #36
BainsBane Nov 2012 #47
kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #101
malthaussen Nov 2012 #66
Cha Nov 2012 #50
Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #19
Duppers Nov 2012 #22
octoberlib Nov 2012 #37
csziggy Nov 2012 #76
SaveAmerica Nov 2012 #88
csziggy Nov 2012 #90
SaveAmerica Nov 2012 #102
lanlady Nov 2012 #100
DeSwiss Nov 2012 #43
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #63
Pachamama Nov 2012 #65
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #73
Pachamama Nov 2012 #75
wordpix Nov 2012 #81
Whovian Nov 2012 #20
daughterofthedust Nov 2012 #21
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #23
octoberlib Nov 2012 #25
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #28
HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #30
wordpix Nov 2012 #83
2naSalit Nov 2012 #96
aquart Nov 2012 #26
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #29
BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #31
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2naSalit Nov 2012 #34
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #44
2naSalit Nov 2012 #93
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dangin Nov 2012 #24
BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #35
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Cha Nov 2012 #54
Shilo Nov 2012 #39
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Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #103
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #61
Pachamama Nov 2012 #64
liberalmuse Nov 2012 #79
wordpix Nov 2012 #85
SaveAmerica Nov 2012 #89
hexola Nov 2012 #67
Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #68
Doctor_J Nov 2012 #69
Pachamama Nov 2012 #70
Snarkoleptic Nov 2012 #71
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wordpix Nov 2012 #87
patrice Nov 2012 #77
patrice Nov 2012 #86
Jennicut Nov 2012 #97

Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:31 AM

1. 20,000 to 30,000 pages of emails!

It's a wonder that Gen Allen had time to do anything else; maybe he didn't.

This story keeps getting weirder!

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Response to VMA131Marine (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:32 AM

3. Part of that number has to be replying with full text of previous emails included

But still, people are crowning these two the king and queen of Nanowrimo on Twitter with good cause.

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Response to VMA131Marine (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:56 AM

33. No shit...

I have had an email account since 1996, and probably don't have 5000 pages of email in that time.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:31 AM

2. And all because some RW FBI agent was gunning for an October surprise.

The craziest thing to me is that Eric Cantor apparently backed three miles away from this hot mess when it was dumped on his doorstep. I wouldn't have given that blowhard credit for that much sense.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:55 AM

11. You mean if Broadwell wasn't a jealous, psycho

the FBI wouldn't have been involved and we'd be none the wiser.

There was great post about the whole mess earlier today

Rule 1: Never hook up with someone crazier than you
Rule 2: Never cheat on a significant other
Rule 3: Review Rules 1 and 2

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Response to SpartanDem (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:58 AM

13. +1 nt

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Response to SpartanDem (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:05 AM

15. Well, there is that. But from what I've seen, her emails to Kelley, while out of line

weren't very harassment-worthy. When "shirtless FBI guy" (SFG) brought in Kelley's complaint, the FBI team had to pull down the legal definitions to make sure the email messages fit. And they didn't want to do the investigation, but SFG insisted. And then later they took him off the investigation, and then SFG went to Cantor, etc.

So I agree that without the emails from Broadwell, nothing would have cracked here. But it would also have stopped in the FBI without SFG.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:57 AM

62. It took therefore two crazies to unravel all this...

I agree....and it wasnt just a woman....its always a popular thing to do, citing a woman at fault or being crazy. But I think in this case, we got two crazies, Jealous Broadwell and SFG who let their issues run rampant.

A perfect storm of crazy.....

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:31 AM

58. No, all because the RW military brass feel entitled and privileged.

Ordinary soldiers would have been imprisoned or court marshaled for this behavior.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:33 AM

4. OMG!!!!!

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:48 AM

27. Hey Lint Head - pass the popcorn, wouldja?

This thing is just getting started...

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Response to BouzoukiKing (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:41 AM

91. Count me in

and add some more popcorn... the plot thickens!

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:35 AM

5. This is now breaking news on CNN.

Do we need to develop a "chill pill" for senior military officers when they are away from home?

How does the commander of forces in a war zone have time to send and receive 20-30,000 e-mails while he's trying to run a war?

Is this why things seem to go haywire there?

Idiots.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:56 AM

59. Now you know why both wars are FUBAR!

12 Years in Afghanistan and it's beyond a mess.

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Response to BlueToTheBone (Reply #59)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:15 AM

80. yes I am thinking of that, too - what an idiot Betrayus is

did he not learn anything from Bill Clinton?

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Response to wordpix (Reply #80)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:19 AM

82. He is incredibly arrogant and has earned the name

Betrayus. Worse than keeping his mistress at the battle scene, he allowed the neocons to run the war. That was his great sin as far as I'm concerned.

It looks by today's news, he and his NATO general were double dating...what a couple of dicks.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #80)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:43 AM

92. No comparison because

the Big Dawg could have a girl under the desk and still conduct serious business.

Plus he wasn't an arrogant SOB!

PS: not condoning what BC did. Also, do agree that after what repukes did to expose Bill, they should have learned what comes around, goes around.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #80)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:41 PM

99. Well, Bill Clinton is now beloved by all.

I guess he's forgiven by most.

I'm still upset with him for giving ammo to the Pukes, even though I think that the Pukes made far too much of it. But that's the Pukes.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:04 PM

94. Food for thought...

Remember waaaay back when Rummy was starting the war with his cabal of cronies? He was also the CEO of some big pharma interests. And do you recall that the soldiers were passing out viagra to village leaders with lots of wives in order to gain their loyalty and get info? Think some of those little blue pills may have been siphoned off for the brass? And I'm sure there were other pharmaceutical perks available for most who wanted them....

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #94)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:39 PM

98. Skimming the little blue pills?

Why not?

I didn't know that we were exchanging Viagra for loyalty. I have to admit that it is creative, and I'm sure that it was a well-received offer.

Good grief.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:36 AM

6. Jesus F**King Christ !!!



".... According to a senior U.S. defense official, the FBI has uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of “potentially inappropriate” emails between Allen and Jill Kelley ... "


p.s. The news about Jill Kelley and General Allen just aired on CNN International channel.



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:49 AM

72. Thank god for Maddow.

SHE will do such a good job of un-entangling who's who in this ball of crazy.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:44 AM

7. Good grief!

This is just getting too weird! These military "leaders" with nothing better to do!!!

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Response to anobserver2 (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:58 AM

12. And they get soooooo much taxpayer money and perks, yet they still do crap!

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:47 AM

8. Kick! n/t

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:50 AM

9. Holy potatoes! (Quayle style) This thing is getting weird!

And you just know the RW is going to try and inject Obama right into the middle of it.

I don't know how but they are working hard to figure it out right now.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:55 AM

10. There's also a brig. gen in Fayetteville, NC (Fort Bragg) who is being tried for sexual harrassment

and other weird things.

All I know, is I'm really glad we're getting rid of these high ranking people who are powerful and are in favor of the corporatist agenda.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:26 AM

41. +1 n/t

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Response to loudsue (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:27 AM

51. Cleaning house!

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:58 AM

14. K&R nt

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:09 AM

16. This really seems like a story that is going down NOW...

...and not something that all the parties thought was imminent. (although, obviously some did)

The media had showed up at the Kelley's house while they were throwing a birthday party - that seems like people who were caught off guard...pictures even ...

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1200543!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/kelley-red-dress.jpg

from this article

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ap-source-target-emails-petraeus-paramour-state-department-military-liaison-article-1.1200299#ixzz2BzTkJJUE

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Response to hexola (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:53 AM

46. a clip from the latter article:

But Broadwell’s father said Sunday his daughter is the victim of character assassination and implied the bombshell story is just a smoke screen for something bigger.

“This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out,” Broadwell’s dad, Paul Krantz, told the Daily News outside his home in Bismarck, N.D.

“There is a lot more that is going to come out,” said Krantz, claiming he was not allowed to elaborate. “You wait and see. There’s a lot more here than meets the eye.”

He said he supports his daughter “100%.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ap-source-target-emails-petraeus-paramour-state-department-military-liaison-article-1.1200299#ixzz2C5hP25ah

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Response to hexola (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:20 AM

49. There is quite a lot covered in that NYDN story, thank hexola.. "Pictures even"..

I see in the article that repubs are screaming..

The scandal is spreading beyond the participants into the political arena. Several top lawmakers are demanding more information about what the FBI, the CIA and President Obama knew — and when they knew it.


"Several top lawmakers" is Code for The Usual Assholes.

The first couple of comments under the article were from the brainwashed and the next one
was from Anacondaman talking to Zonakwak.. lol

"Zonakwak - you're having delusional dreams that cause you to fabricate conspiracy theories coming out of both sides of your empty head."

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:11 AM

17. Amazing is all I can say.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:14 AM

18. Tweet from Buzzfeed reporter!

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew
So….the Senate Armed Services Committee was set to hold a hearing to confirm John Allen Thursday as Obama's pick for European Commander.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:57 AM

36. UPDATE...


-snip-

In the meantime, Panetta said, Allen's nomination to be the next commander of U.S. European Command and the commander of NATO forces in Europe has been put on hold "until the relevant facts are determined." He had been expected to take that new post in early 2013, if confirmed by the Senate, as had been widely expected.

Panetta said President Barack Obama was consulted and agreed that Allen's nomination should be put on hold. Allen was to testify at his confirmation hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday. Panetta said he asked committee leaders to delay that hearing.

Panetta also said he wants the Senate Armed Services Committee to act promptly on Obama's nomination of Gen. Joseph Dunford to succeed Allen as commander in Afghanistan. That nomination was made several weeks ago. Dunford's hearing is also scheduled for Thursday.

-snip-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/john-allen-petraeus_n_2120609.html



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:53 AM

47. There will be no men left in DC

if they keep snooping in emails.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:18 PM

101. Fine. Give the women a change. We can't possibly be worse at the job.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:26 AM

66. "Act quickly to confirm Dunford..."

... just in case he's been up to something, too!

-- Mal

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:23 AM

50. Oooops. Wonder how that's gonna work out? Ah, I see this Update..thanks Tx.

In the meantime, Panetta said, Allen's nomination to be the next commander of U.S. European Command and the commander of NATO forces in Europe has been put on hold "until the relevant facts are determined." He had been expected to take that new post in early 2013, if confirmed by the Senate, as had been widely expected.

Panetta said President Barack Obama was consulted and agreed that Allen's nomination should be put on hold. Allen was to testify at his confirmation hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday. Panetta said he asked committee leaders to delay that hearing.

Panetta also said he wants the Senate Armed Services Committee to act promptly on Obama's nomination of Gen. Joseph Dunford to succeed Allen as commander in Afghanistan. That nomination was made several weeks ago. Dunford's hearing is also scheduled for Thursday.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/john-allen-petraeus_n_2120609.html



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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:14 AM

19. these guys kill people for a living, but what they do with their dicks on off-hours is the problem?

 

What bizarre values humans have sometimes.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:22 AM

22. ....

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:03 AM

37. Petraeus has never been a man of integrity and honor like the media has portrayed him

The fraud that General David Petraeus perpetrated on America started many years before the general seduced Paula Broadwell, a lower-ranking officer 20 years his junior, after meeting her on a campus visit to Harvard.
More so than any other leading military figure, Petraeus’ entire philosophy has been based on hiding the truth, on deception, on building a false image. “Perception” is key, he wrote in his 1987 Princeton dissertation: "What policymakers believe to have taken place in any particular case is what matters — more than what actually occurred."
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/the-sins-of-general-david-petraeus

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:03 AM

76. That fits with the Frontline piece last night

I only caught part of it but the main theme was how difficult it is for veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars to get treatment. I looked on the PBS web site for it but if it is there, the portion I saw is not in text format. A major problem is that their service records are incomplete or missing altogether.

These are the first wars for which records are being kept completely electronically. But for some reason most companies ERASE their hard drives before the men are shipped home. This means no history of the actions taken by the units in Iraq and Afghanistan. It also means when the men apply for veterans' benefits they cannot prove their service records.

One man who was assigned to be a clerk in Baghdad had been taken off his desk and sent to combat duty. He ended up with PTSD but back home it took hi8m five years to get treatment. The VA does not believe a clerk is exposed to conditions that will give a man PTSD and the Army had no record of anything other than administrative desk duty with no combat experience.

The lasting damage done to the men because of lack of treatment is horrible. The loss of military history and lack of accountability will haunt the military for decades to come.

From the Petreaus quote you cite, this could well be intentional. How can we fund out the truth of what happened in the countries we invaded if the records have been expunged?

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Response to csziggy (Reply #76)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:47 AM

88. What was the name of the show? I'd like to see that

You definitely do not have to see combat to suffer with PTSD after a deployment; mortars know nothing about MOS and neither do IEDs that are hiding out as desk clerks are transported from FoB 1 to FoB 2 and back.

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Response to SaveAmerica (Reply #88)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:35 AM

90. It was PBS Newshour, not Frontline

Now that I've had some coffee, I could find it. Video and transcript at the link:
Veterans Face Uphill Battle for Benefits When Field Records Are Lost, Destroyed
AIR DATE: Nov. 12, 2012
According to a new report by the nonprofit online news organization ProPublica and The Seattle times, the U.S. government sometimes has no official record that men and women actually served overseas.

It sounds unlikely, but an investigation by the two news organizations revealed that millions of U.S. military field records have been lost or destroyed.

<SNIP>
This is the first real electronic war where records were meant to be kept entirely on computers. It was new. They had strict rules and regulations about what were to be done.

But if the commanding officer of a given unit didn't insist those things be done, they weren't done. And that happened again and again and again. Reports either weren't made, weren't kept or their hard drives or their computers were wiped before they came home. That's losing all those records.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec12/propublica_11-12.html

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Response to csziggy (Reply #90)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:29 PM

102. Thank you, I'm pretty sure I can watch PBS shows online!

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:43 PM

100. This dovetails with things I've heard myself...

from a friend who has worked side by side with P4 and has always asserted that he is, first and foremost, a world-class self-promoter.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:45 AM

43. I know.....

''Those who have the privilege to know, have the duty to act.'' ~Albert Einstein

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:10 AM

63. It is not the dicks that are the problem here.

It is the access to classified material which both women seem to have had via the high ranking military men
plus
the violations of military conduct which both men have been accused of, and one man admitted to.

and even the FBI "friend" of Kelley's seems to have had a very personal interest in her.

Sounds like Kelley is Mata Hari, and Broadwell inadvertently outed her.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #63)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:17 AM

65. I think I see Kelley as a Dominatrix....

Seriously...that image of her just pops to mind and made me laugh out loud....

Bored housewife of Tampa surgeon who for no pay is an "honorary ambassador" hosting parties for generals and dignitaries....Shirtless rightwing FBI guy and jealous lover of a 4-star General...you cant make this shit up....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #65)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:52 AM

73. Bored housewife who has a twin sister.

Maybe she can put the blame on her "evil" twin.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #73)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:00 AM

75. Threesomes?



Sorry...I cant resist all this....

As a European who watches Americans obsession with sex, I laugh only because I think its especially the more right-wing conservatives that get kinkier in their obsessions with sex...

I could seriously care less who is fucking who, how many as long as it doesnt involve minors, involves Only consenting adults and no one is getting hurt. But what is so fascinating here and why its fun to run with this, is it those very people who are supposed to be "in control" and having morals that end up being the very ones who are doing the very things they speak out against.

But I have to say, this story is just beginning....

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #63)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:19 AM

81. add to that the sheer drama these military guys are "all in"to, & FUBAR is what you get

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:19 AM

20. Curiouser and curiouser.

 

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:22 AM

21. WTF is going on? nt

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:32 AM

23. Something doesn't smell right here ...


Two young married women that know each other (both with kids) are both having affairs with two old Generals that know each other.

There's got to be more to this.


Jill Kelley's family is from Lebanon. Was she born in The U.S.A. ?

Where was Paula Broadwell born?

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:43 AM

25. Broadwell is from Bismarck, ND. Kelley was born in PA, I believe

And Gawker made this point about the 20,000 -30,000 emails.
But 20,000 to 30,000 pages? That's a lot. Like, an absurd amount. Assuming it's on the low end, right at 20,000 pages, that means the two sent, on average, 19 pages of email to each other every day between January 1, 2010 and today. That's mind-boggling.
http://gawker.com/5960042/general-john-r-allen-reportedly-exchanged-20000-to-30000-pages-of-potentially-inappropriate-emails-with-jill-kelley

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:49 AM

28. Found this regarding Jill Kelley ...


-snip-

Jill Kelley was raised in Philadelphia, where her family settled in the mid-1970s and opened a Middle Eastern restaurant after immigrating from Lebanon. Her father, John Khawam, was a renowned organist in Lebanon.

-snip-

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ap-source-target-emails-petraeus-paramour-state-department-military-liaison-article-1.1200299#ixzz2BzTkJJUE




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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:54 AM

30. I guess she found an "organist" to replace daddy.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:21 AM

83. with all those emails, is she CIA with a "socialite" cover?

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:49 PM

96. And the twin sister

is a high end attorney for whistleblowers! Hmmmm.....

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:45 AM

26. Born? Broadwell went to West Point and worked, we are told, in black ops.

I find it odd that The Daily News could have found black ops on her resume.

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Response to aquart (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:49 AM

29. See comment #28 regarding Jill Kelley n/t

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Response to aquart (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:56 AM

31. Not so odd, these days...

Look at the resume they 'found' on Valerie Plame.

Nobody finds that kind of shit - they're told. Perhaps Eric Cantor might have some ideas on who could have done such a thing. Shirtless FBI Guy doesn't sound like a primary source to me. Not yet, anyway.

But who knows?

This is really getting good. Tell you what though - if somebody gets sic'd on it all, let's see if we can get whoever does the sic'ing to pass over Fitz. OK?

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Response to aquart (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:56 AM

32. No surprise, given her "undercover" work.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:57 AM

34. That's what I've been saying...

along with the fact that i think that maybe this is just a way of "cleaning house" that also puts the chaff in a position where they aren't likely to hold positions of obstruction, I mean, power afterward. These guys were helping things get ugly in the theater and I think that once they were found out, all this is just a fitting way to whack them in the behind on their way out the door. I think the sex part would have been completely overlooked if they hadn't been trying to extend the US presence in the region while the prez has been trying to end the fiasco. Recall that Petraeus was driving and he had a major battle with Obama over the concept of how this war machine was going to wind down.

And then there are those clandestine ties to some bad actors that few seem to be aware of:

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/11/11/a-covert-affair-petraeus-caught-in-the-honeypot/

I don't totally agree with everything in this write up but I think it has a lot of meat on the bone, so to speak, that needs to be understood. Doesn't make everything clearer but it shows how convoluted it all is, far more than most of us had guessed up to now.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:48 AM

44. I favor a "7 Days in May" plot, where all the sex-capades are bread and circuses

 

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tossed out to appeal to the masses' prurient interests, while a plot by senior miltiary to stage a coup d'etat was uncovered (maybe by McRaven) and stomped on by Obama's fixers.

N.B. I came to DU originally in 2002 from antiwar.com. Even though the site is run by a Libertarian (Justin Raimondo), he is very eclectic in his aggregation of materials and writes some pretty hard-hitting pieces himself.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #44)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:59 AM

93. Interesting...

I'll have to see/read 7days...

And I had never heard of the antiwar site before. I just stumbled on the link by reading comments at another site, funny how that all works.

I think your speculation about the coup d'etat is pretty sound. I was wondering when that would become an issue on the surface. I think Obama had clear evidence by the time he started claiming on the media and stump speeches that he wasn't going to let them have their way on taxes and other issues and that they would be working with him on his agenda because he had these perps by the short hairs as long as he won the election. Perhaps the reason for his impassioned tears during the last stump speech and when thanking his campaign staff. Something to the effect of, "...you have no idea how much more I can't tell you, but you saved my ass and your welfare as a free people." I think it did get that intense. And now, suddenly Panetta is looking for a different assignment. He was on the transition team for the first term so I'm starting to connect those dots... at first I couldn't understand why he was in either position, now it's starting to make sense... the equivalent of the "Mr. Wolf" character in Pulp Fiction perhaps.

With that said, I hope this turns out to be a relatively clean sweep of the war machine and the curbing of the mic in order to help us clean up our act as a people. There are a lot of things going to change with regard to our ability to survive as a species coming up in short order and the entire human race will need to get its collective head out of its ass, western nations in particular, or its going to be much uglier than any of us might imagine.

I am glad to see this happening from the top down, the only time I think I'd be willing to accept a "trickle-down" scenario. There's a lot of talk about how the email monitoring campaign is eating its captains. Interesting times indeed. Perhaps we will come to see what Obama is really about in ways we had little hope of in the coming months, when he is able to clear the fog of war and show us what a people can do that goes beyond violence and hatred. I think that is what's going on here and he's had enough of the BS coming from the war monger faction. Getting rid of them with their own devices is brilliant and I suspect that we are seeing that as we speak. To hell with the dust pan, sweep them off the planet, please. And I think this is the only way he could clean house with expediency and work-around the snail paced obstructionism in Congress as well. I think he beat them at their own game, he's very intelligent and I think it's going to become quite evident that he was able to expose them on their terms... real soon. At lest that's what I'm hoping will be the outcome here.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #93)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:15 PM

95. Movie version is great (esp. the actor who plays the

 

drunken Dem Senator sent out by the Prez on a reconnaissance mission). But the novel by Fletcher Knebel is, imho, even better. One of the best political thrillers ever written.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:40 AM

24. Waste

I'm so tired of wasting talented people due to sex.

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Response to dangin (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:57 AM

35. Heh. Where do you think talented people come from? n/t

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Response to BouzoukiKing (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:03 AM

38. Thanks - that's the first (and only)

chuckle that I got out of this/these whole sordid affairs.

It was needed!

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Response to BouzoukiKing (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:30 AM

54. LOL, BouzoukiKing! nm

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:04 AM

39. Truth is stranger than fiction

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Response to Shilo (Reply #39)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:13 AM

56. You can say that again...

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:21 AM

40. News about Gen Allen has been on HuffPo front page over an hour, and none at all on CNN front page


that seems strange since it was breaking news on CNN International channel.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:41 AM

42. K&R



- Shit is getting real......

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:32 AM

55. ..

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:51 AM

45. Why do we have to worry about these men's sex lives?

This is getting ridiculous. I just don't care. I rather that the qualified people stay in charge.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:07 AM

48. Honestly, I could care less about their sex lives

as long as they weren't passing on classified information to these ladies. There have been plenty of politicians who've done worse.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:23 AM

84. +1000 but a full blown affair does take time away from one's job & these guys have big ones

jobs, that is

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:27 AM

52. Praise the Lord and...

 

Pass the Saltpeter....

Oh, I'm so not sorry I "said" that. Somebody had to....

I saw something like this in the Navy. A friend of mine was banished from a command assignment on the mainland for "fraternizing with the enlisted." Actually, he was a naval officer (Commander) who impregnated an enlisted gal. After that, he was reassigned to Adak, Alaska, and put in charge of the aviation maintenance dept (for P3 Orion submarine chasing aircraft). Originally, he was Commanding Officer of a famous fighter aircraft squadron (out of San Diego..of course). So, don't be all that surprised with this hanky panky going on at flag rank levels. i'm sure there's more of it than the FBI can keep up with as they snoop around, playing Gladys Kravitz with all those emails...

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:30 AM

53. I love younger girls, as long as I'm single.

Otherwise, I suffer.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:14 AM

57. When does the book come out?

I want to read all the juicy details at the same time. lol

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #57)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:56 AM

74. I am laready thinking about who stars in the movie.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:01 AM

60. It's never good when generals get led around by their privates :)

But is sure is amusing.

Horny generals, shirtless FBI guy and a catfight between a couple of women who really, really loved them some men in uniform. Oddly the only person who seems to have behaved like a grownup in this mess was Cantor--go figure--but maybe he didn't want to get caught up in this mess--or was afraid he might be betraying national secrets beyond who the CIA chief was schtupping.

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Response to bklyncowgirl (Reply #60)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:07 AM

103. ^^^^^^^^

It's never good when generals get led around by their privates.


That's pretty amusing, too.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:49 AM

61. Kick (nt)

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:12 AM

64. Bookmarking this thread and topic....its getting more and more interesting....the tentacles of this

...all goes very deep and very involved....

Who needs to wait for the opening of the new James Bond Movie? Heck, we have our own crazy story unfolding before our very eyes....

I was getting some good kicks from reading the right-wing loons comments on this article and on other sites. The conspiracy theorist Obama-haters are suggesting that Obama somehow concocted all this or is setting up all these people to both divert attention and to "clean house" of the top military people so he can install his "own people" and carry out some master plan....LOL...

No, I think all these arrogant military heads are falling on their own "swords" and its all coming at them....Obama may be smart enough to watch this and take advantage to clean house as they do themselves in, but that is what any good leader, manager, CEO, President and Chess Player does. I dont believe there was any planning by Obama and I dont believe there is anything to the "Benghazi" scandal....there is nothing there and its almost comedic watching the right-wing wring their hands and scream about it....

No, I think we are watching karma play out....that and Republican military men who liked playing war games and are now falling on their swords with the women they played with....more like a circular firing squad on this one and President Obama and the rest of us standing by watching....



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Response to Pachamama (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:13 AM

79. I agree with this.

I would love to see most of Bush's RW ideologues purged from the top military brass as well as from other agencies. Then again, there might not be anyone left if that were to happen...

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:25 AM

85. O doesn't need to set up some crazy scheme to clean house, he can do that whenever he wants

These people serve "at his pleasure" and if he's not pleased they're fired.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:59 AM

89. Not really funny, they think the master plan is to take over

country from the inside by installing Muslim Brotherhood peeps in high places. They don't realize that they have to clean up Bush and Republican friendlies at the top of the Military to keep them from screwing up withdrawal from Afghanistan and other crazy stuff they are up to.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:29 AM

67. CNN says Petraeus recently traveled to Lybia to discuss the attack

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/13/us/petraeus-allen-investigation/

Small but interesting tidbit in this article...


Petraeus recently traveled to Libya to meet the CIA station chief to discuss the attack, CNN has confirmed. He was scheduled to testify before a congressional committee this week on the assault and the U.S. government response to it.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:30 AM

68. Keep this kicked, someone trying to change the subject

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:34 AM

69. "Social Liaison" sounds to me like "hooker on retainer"

The tebaggers who complain about people buying popsicles with their food stamps should be outraged that tax dollars are paying salaries to these two concubines.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #69)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:39 AM

70. Me thinks that "Honorary Ambassador" or "Liaison for Dignitaries" are fancy names for what is

....going to be the Big Brass's equivalent of the DC Madam????



Karma is a bitch.....30,000 emails is a lot of coordinating....

This is getting interesting....

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:46 AM

71. Here's my conspiracy snausage.

Both Kelley and Broadwell are colluding with foreign intelligence services.

They were both engaging in inappropriate relationship with top military and intel guys.
Sounds like old school spy work to me.

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Reply #71)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:08 AM

78. Actually, that would be the REAL Scandal & News, however America loves its sex scandals, so what

...will drive this whole thing will be the lust for sex stories...

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Reply #71)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:26 AM

87. that's what I'm wondering, too ---esp. Kelley, who's Mideast background

perfect for spy work and double agent, too

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:07 AM

77. Double-standards for royalty, MIC especially. nt

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:25 AM

86. Whose soldiers? *O*U*R* soldiers!

This is about blood.

Never! forget!

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:44 PM

97. The MSM loves a good political sex scandal.

Add some generals and a shirtless FBI guy in for fun and they really love it.

Cantor seems to have wanted nothing to do with this hot mess the moment he heard about it.

The only real question is did we need to know any of this? The only sympathetic people in this mess are the wives and husbands of the people who cheated, and it's none of our business really. Or is there something more here?

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