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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:42 PM

Karl Rove under fire

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Source: Politico

Karl Rove under fire

By: Kenneth P. Vogel

November 10, 2012 07:13 AM EST

Karl Rove is feeling the heat.

The face of the historic $1 billion plan to unseat President Barack Obama and turn the Senate Republican, Rove now finds himself the leading scapegoat for its failure. And he’s scrambling to protect his status as a top GOP money man by convincing disappointed donors to his Crossroads groups that he did the best he could with their $300 million.

Sources tell POLITICO that some donors have called Crossroads officials to ask how their polling could have been so far off, while others are openly grumbling that the groups should have spent more on the ground game. Rival operatives — long frustrated by Rove’s dominance of big GOP money — are seizing on the discontent, questioning whether he’s hurting the cause and privately urging donors to shut him out.

During a secret Thursday afternoon conference call with his benefactors, Rove laid out the analytics behind his assertions to donors that a massive late-game advertising push would expand the electoral map into Pennsylvania and deliver the White House and the Senate.

The call was civil, focusing on questions like, “‘where was my strategy, was it right, was it wrong? What did we find out that we didn’t know before?’ That kind of thing — nothing negative, no recriminations or blame,” said Minnesota media mogul Stan Hubbard.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83658.html?hp=f1



Who would have thought the Nerdy Whiz Kid would go down so hard ? ....

I could NOT be more pleased ....

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Reply Karl Rove under fire (Original post)
Trajan Nov 2012 OP
MyNameGoesHere Nov 2012 #1
Gregorian Nov 2012 #3
drumwolf Nov 2012 #5
yellowcanine Nov 2012 #11
calimary Nov 2012 #2
Gregorian Nov 2012 #4
chuckstevens Nov 2012 #6
maindawg Nov 2012 #8
BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #7
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #16
L0oniX Nov 2012 #9
Raster Nov 2012 #10
ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #14
Raster Nov 2012 #18
Warpy Nov 2012 #12
BREMPRO Nov 2012 #13
defacto7 Nov 2012 #15
patrice Nov 2012 #17
underpants Nov 2012 #19
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #20
WCGreen Nov 2012 #21
Yavin4 Nov 2012 #22
BeliQueen Nov 2012 #23
djean111 Nov 2012 #24
nc4bo Nov 2012 #25
SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #26
Cha Nov 2012 #27
Lint Head Nov 2012 #28
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #29

Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:48 PM

1. Darn not what I was hoping for.

I had a momentary image of him rotating on a spit with an apple in his mouth.

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:50 PM

3. Haha. If it were only "Over" fire.

But the headline alone is a very refreshing change.

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:55 PM

5. Hey, I'm more than happy to settle for the metaphorical meaning. n/t

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:14 PM

11. That could still happen. Stand by. Developing........

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:49 PM

2. How I LOVE the smell of republi-CONS self-immolating in the morning!

He hasn't gone down yet, unfortunately, but it's a lovely and encouraging thought!

And turdblossom DOES have a bit of turd on his face these days! Maybe it's him they'll start calling "Stench"! After all, he does come from the Land of the Nickname-giver!

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:51 PM

4. I watched FOX for the first time that night. I'll be they had an all time peak during Rove meltdown.

I'll bet that makes him feel a bit queasy.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:56 PM

6. No under fire will be....

No, Karl Rove will be under fire (hopefully a firing squad!) when the Justice Department begins to find out how connected his Crossroads outfit was to Nathan Sproul's group that was caught red handed destroying democratic registrations. It smacks of Watergate: they shared the same address in Virginia for Christ Sake!

If Karl can railroad Don Sieglemann in Alabama into jail over a non-crime, then surely we can find enough to remove this cancer on the American political process for good. When he is weak is the time to go in for the kill and put him away!

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Response to chuckstevens (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:09 PM

8. absolutely

there had better be an investigation. There were crimes. Rmoney is a criminal. W got away and dick and donald r allgot away. too many times we let them off the hook. we need to make an example out of KKKARL and prison may be the safest place for him anyway.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:04 PM

7. They think they have a process problem

While their product is shit on a stick.

Keep focusing on them there analytics, boys.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:42 PM

16. +10 nt

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:12 PM

9. False fixed poll data to intice more money from 1%. You Rove suckas! You've been played!

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:12 PM

10. rove is NO whiz kid, as this election proved. And I mean proved. He overlooked every....

....reputable poll and every reputable analysist for his own "the math."

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Response to Raster (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:29 PM

14. Rove's "math" has monumentally failed at least two times now....

....you'd think folks would get a clue that he's an idiot.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:58 PM

18. rove's chief talent and most saleable quality is his capacity for self-promotion.

unfortunately -- for rove, that is -- it appears that this time he was conned by own PR.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:15 PM

12. Rove didn't lie to the American people this time

He lied to all his bosses, blowing sunshine up their arses while chiseling more and more money out of them.

Fat Karl is now toast.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:21 PM

13. justice is sweet!! n/t

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:38 PM

15. What makes any of them think that is has


anything to do with money? They are still so fixed on the idea that you can buy anything.

It about the PEOPLE you Rovian, Kochian, Adelsonian, Republican idiots!

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:52 PM

17. Karl Rove on the expensive trash heap of Faux News - HISTORY - from Tories buying votes &

stealing another vote.

Paul Ryan is DONE in American politics. His campaign was about SELLING American lives for <7K @ person/year and trying to give Social Security to Wall Street to gamble away for derivatives and offshore tax shelters.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:59 PM

19. He isn't going anywhere

He has the tap on the money and they love him.
Plus - the donors are just playing with money they don't even need.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:03 PM

20. The lesson is, if you hire a liar, dont be surprised when he lies to you. nm

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:05 PM

21. They could have spent twice as much and still lost....

There is a point of diminishing returns on any investment and I think it was reached in this election.

The reason the turnout was lower is because so many people were repelled by the sewer that political advertising has become. Plain and simple.

The people who are out there who aren't wired in like we are here don't pay attention as much as we do. With the news media as it is, no one really trust anything that is put on any news. It's all opinion and slant and that is why the ratings for news has dropped dangerously.

We have in ill informed population swayed by emotions and other wise disengaged from the process.

Welcome to the beginnings of Idiocracy.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:05 PM

22. Rove's Genius is Character Assassination

That's his only "genius". Given that Obama is clean as a whistle and that progressives have a media infrastructure that can respond to smear campaigns, Rove's "genius" has been checkmated.

Back in 2004, Rove swift-boated John Kerry. Also, back in 2004, Rachel Maddow was on Air America. Today, she's the lead anchor of MSNBC's coverage. Rove's swift boat crap just would not work today.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:21 PM

23. You know what would be even better...

Without the protection of his high-powered friends, he is charged with treason for divulging the name of an undercover CIA agent.

And then he takes everyone in the Bush administration down with him.

Oh sweet sweet justice--how I long for just one generous taste.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:21 PM

24. Yes, the donors are playing with money they don't need.

And they are having a swell time playing in the sewer - on a national stage.
Probably sent little thrills up and down their legs, watching their crap on TV.
And the money just went to the few guys who own the media. Since airwaves are free, there wasn't much overhead; pure profit.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:34 PM

25. Couldn't get past "The call was civil" Hahaha....oh really.

If I spent the kind of money these pos spent, I would be many things, civil would be at the bottom of the list.

Nothing negative, no recriminations, or blame?! Republicans lie about everything, they deflect. I don't believe any of the money bags weren't irate and wanting a piece of Rove's scalp! I certainly don't believe anything Politico says or spins.


Donors “weren’t saying anything like, ‘Hey, you dumb son of a b—,’” added Hubbard, who has donated to both the Rove-conceived American Crossroads super PAC and its secret-money nonprofit affiliate Crossroads GPS. “It was all very businesslike. It was as if you were in a business conference and you were a retailer and ‘why didn’t this product sell better?’

On the call, some donors even told Rove, “’I’m glad I gave to you. I feel we made progress,’” recalled Hubbard. “Every quarterback, every coach doesn’t call every play 100 percent right,” he added. “I don’t know how you’re going to blame him. What are you going to blame Karl for?”


No, not buying it. These folks didn't get what they paid for and spents a boatload for their golden tickets.




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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:36 PM

26. Karl is proof positive that chickens with their heads cut off can still run around causing trouble.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:37 PM

27. Karl,bush's brain, Rove Catching Shit from Big Money Plutocrats

is one of the sweetest revenge ingredients of this post election season. What's a lee atwater protege to do

I read foxscrews is sticking up for him as only they can..by spewing gibberish to their viewers about how his actions on Tuesday night shows how valuable he is..and them lapping it up.

Nice they were being so "civil".. as in not donald trump who was Pissed about his money..

Speaking of the quack..



http://theobamadiary.com/

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:39 PM

28. The kind of people who put money behind Rove will not go quitely into that good night.

I think there will be something in Rove's future that will be rather suspiciously associated with what happened Last Tuesday.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:41 PM

29. Locking, sorry. Not LBN, OP article is over a day old.


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