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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:34 PM

Boehner Tells House G.O.P. to Fall in Line

Source: NY Times

WASHINGTON — On a conference call with House Republicans a day after the party’s electoral battering last week, Speaker John A. Boehner dished out some bitter medicine, and for the first time in the 112th Congress, most members took their dose.

Their party lost, badly, Mr. Boehner said, and while Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases as Congress grapples with the impending fiscal battle, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.

Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support — even a few who had been a thorn in the speaker’s side for much of this Congress.

It was a striking contrast to a similar call last year, when Mr. Boehner tried to persuade members to compromise with Democrats on a deal to extend a temporary cut in payroll taxes, only to have them loudly revolt.


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Can you imagine Nancy Pelosi needing to wait two years after becoming Speaker needing to tell her caucas to fall into line? This is just a reminder that one of the underreported stories is that Boehner is one of the weakest speakers in the history of the House. The reason why he walked away from "grand bargain" negotiations was not his fault, but that he discovered that he would not be able to get his members to vote for ANY package that could make President Obama look like he could close a deal. In other words, Boehner knew he had to fail on purpose!

The media has given Boehner a tremendous free pass in comparison to Nancy Pelosi. Remember all the attention on Bart Stupak? The fact of the matter is that Boehner knows that he needs to look over his shoulder at Kantor and Ryan and the moment he strays from the Grover Norquist tax pledge, they Norquist and Limbaugh will replace him with someone more malleable.

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Reply Boehner Tells House G.O.P. to Fall in Line (Original post)
TomCADem Nov 2012 OP
DCBob Nov 2012 #1
elleng Nov 2012 #4
DCBob Nov 2012 #20
cstanleytech Nov 2012 #27
Joe Bacon Nov 2012 #23
AlinPA Nov 2012 #31
DCBob Nov 2012 #34
AlinPA Nov 2012 #35
dlwickham Nov 2012 #38
Prisca Theologia Nov 2012 #37
ISW Nov 2012 #2
TomCADem Nov 2012 #17
elleng Nov 2012 #25
SoapBox Nov 2012 #3
AlinPA Nov 2012 #32
toby jo Nov 2012 #5
ItsTheMediaStupid Nov 2012 #8
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #6
craigmatic Nov 2012 #7
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #12
AndyA Nov 2012 #9
TomCADem Nov 2012 #16
geek tragedy Nov 2012 #10
jonthebru Nov 2012 #11
Kennah Nov 2012 #28
Iliyah Nov 2012 #13
Trajan Nov 2012 #14
AlinPA Nov 2012 #36
Trajan Nov 2012 #40
InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #15
Skidmore Nov 2012 #18
John2 Nov 2012 #19
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #21
TomCADem Nov 2012 #22
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #24
TomCADem Nov 2012 #26
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #30
LanternWaste Nov 2012 #33
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #41
kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #29
Hugabear Nov 2012 #39

Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:41 PM

1. Im hearing Boehner's situation has greatly improved since the election.

I assume that is because of the loss of several teaparty members and the fact that all the idiotic obstruction stuff didnt work these past 4 years... Obama still won.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:52 PM

4. Unfortunately the obstruction stuff DID work;

we all are living with very slow pace of recovery. PrezO did win, after HUGE efforts and despite all the repug games and in spite of the economy, but so much more failed or took so much time and effort.

Need more than loss of 'several' teaparty members, like eric cancer who is still with them.

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Response to elleng (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:55 PM

20. From their POV it didnt..

They wanted Obama to fail.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:25 PM

27. No, they didnt want him to fail.

They "needed" him to fail so they decided the only way to achieve that was by trying to destroy the country but they failed at destroying it as we are still here as a nation and they failed at getting control of the whitehouse thankfully.

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Response to elleng (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:58 PM

23. Wait for the articles of impeachment.

Make no mistake. The Republicans will vote out impeachment articles against Obama. And we'll hear all their pals in the main$tream media defend them.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:55 PM

31. The teabaggers control the House. He does exactly what they tell him to do. If he meets with

the President at the WH they will start a campaign to kick him out.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:49 PM

34. Actually I dont think the teabaggers are near as powerful as they once were.

besides I dont think they have enough votes to block an alliance of moderate Rs and moderate Ds. In the House they only need a simple majority.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:02 PM

35. I'll look for some moderate republicans and may find a few but IMO there are not enough to fill up a

school bus.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:39 PM

38. try a car

let alone a school bus

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Response to DCBob (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:08 PM

37. I agree. The Tea Party is greatly weakened.

Discounted by the mainstream, unliked by normal Republicans (who may scapegoat it a bit). The Tea Party Revolution is over...

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:41 PM

2. Time will tell, but I don't think that they will

send the President a bill with the tax results that he wants. If they don't, I hope the president holds steady and we go off the cliff. It will be the only way that we get both the tax revenues and the reduction in military spending that is needed.

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Response to ISW (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:38 PM

17. Boehner's Style - "I am such a wuss that I can't bring any votes to the table."

Can you imagine Pelosi negotiating by saying that she is such a weak speaker and her caucas is so crazy that she can't offer or propose squat?

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Response to ISW (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:05 PM

25. I agree, I expect a drawn out struggle.

tho we, + the economy, can't wait, could mean PrezO going to the people and then actually causing them to fear losing their seats in '14.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:47 PM

3. The Boner speaks...

blah, blah, blah.

He's got YEARS of obstructionism on his record...and it will take years to show the majority of America, that he and the Pukes are finally willing to do the correct thing.

I'm not even holding my breath.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:58 PM

32. He is no different than a teabagger. It's irritating to hear that he had had trouble with them

falling into line. They control everything he does. They would be better off with a more crazed teabagger and not a waanabe one.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:52 PM

5. Caught a few on Sunday morning talk shows

they were contrite.

I don't know if they've got enough 'move' in em, but they've noticed.

This might be a plum time for a 3rd party to make a move. These Republicans might just go the way of the Whigs and Federalists.

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Response to toby jo (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:59 PM

8. Were they contrite or faking contrition for the benefit of the camera?

...they were contrite....


These guys have completely forgotten who they are supposed to represent and spend all their time kissing billionaire butt.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:54 PM

6. Obama McConnell and Boehner Meet on The Fiscal Cliff! Literally....

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:57 PM

7. I don't understand why he doesn't free up some members of his caucus and fill in the gaps with dem

support. Pelosi could get the votes but I guess too many votes like that would be the end of Boner.

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:10 PM

12. He'd face a party revolt and probably result in even worse crazy after something like that. (nt)

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:05 PM

9. John Boehner is a very weak Speaker of the House

Nancy Pelosi could do better than he has even if she never showed up for work!

The only thing he's been successful at is slowing down the pace of the recovery, but that was because HE was towing the line, and was being controlled by the wack jobs on the far right.

If Democrats had retained control of the House, and Pelosi remained Speaker the last two years, we'd be in MUCH better shape economically than we are now.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:29 PM

16. Exactly, How Often Did Dems Leave Pelosi High and Dry?

Look at the quotes in the article. Several House Republicans are already distancing themselves from Boehner statements that he plans to negotiate with the President saying that they need to be consulted BEFORE any proposals are made. Really?

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:06 PM

10. He's the one who'll fall in lone

when negotiations commence.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:10 PM

11. The dems should continue to set them up for failure

Nuke 'em 'til they glow.

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Response to jonthebru (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:34 PM

28. All they have are bayonets and horses

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:53 PM

13. Smoke and screen bullshit

After a month or so Boner will be slapped back into tea bot shape.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:07 PM

14. Boehner doesn't need the Tea Party to promote reasonable legislation ...

He needs to strip away the extremists and convince the moderate GOP to vote with the Democrats .... At least once, to overcome this debacle ....


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Response to Trajan (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:03 PM

36. Try to find even a few moderate republicans.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:16 AM

40. While I would agree with you from an emotional viewpoint, I cannot completely agree

from a statistical standpoint .... The actual 'Tea Party' caucus was about 80-90 members - It has recently decreased ....

If he knows what's best for the country and realizes he needs to craft DEMOCRATIC like legislation that most Democrats would support, then surely he can strip a few less strident members from the GOP side ....

Not saying he will, but he certainly could, and it would end the national nightmare ....

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:18 PM

15. and the wingnuts on #tcot

are already blasting him for it

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:43 PM

18. What's he going to do when Allen West shows up because

his signals from the mothership apparently haven't arrived to tell him to go home?

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:33 PM

19. It

 

seems to me a party that wasn't elected to anything at all seems to be a third participant in this process. What I mean by that are the pundits and the media. I just get the feeling just like in the election, they are cheering for the Republican agenda. So we have to fight both. I always thought their job was just to report the news and not take one side over the other. If president Obama decides to not do anything on this tax issue with the Republicans, I think the media should just report it as news. I don't think they should embellish the danger of going off this cliff either to scare the American Public. It is just a power move by the President with what he has to use, in order to gain an end. I do not think it will be Dooms day if it happens. The congress still has to present a budget to the president and he will have a lot more revenue to spend. They have to spend it on something. Presenting a tax cut for 98 percent of the people is a good idea too. If the Republicans want to reject it, then it is on them. They can also negotiate cuts for the Defense as well as entitlements from ground zero.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:55 PM

21. So did Boehner "fail on purpose" or "get 98% of what the GOP wanted"?

or both? I guess this depends on how one defines "fail".

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:58 PM

22. How do you arrive at 98%?

I would think that 98 percent would at least entail making the Bush tax cuts permanent and repealing Obamacare. I recall that some House Republicans were insisting that the House threaten default on this. Also, remember the Balance Budget Amendment along with a 2/3 vote requirement for raising taxes?

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:04 PM

24. I didn't "arrive at 98%". Speaker Boehner is who said he "got 98%", not me.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:17 PM

26. Like Romney, I would take what Boehner says with a grain of salt...

...They were also predicting that Romney would win by a wide margin.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:12 PM

30. ..a very LARGE gain of salt. Habitual lying is in the GOP dna I think. nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:37 PM

33. I would imagine that statement is simply political posturing

I would imagine that statement is simply political posturing, however I guess one may take it both literal and as absolute truth if it's convenient to one's position...

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:48 PM

41. Ya think?

totally political posturing, which I guess is another way of making my point:
re: how the GOP always wants it both ways: whining & playing the victim one
minute, then boasting & bragging the next.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:01 PM

29. Time to make Grover irrelevant by tearing up in his face any agreement signed.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:48 PM

39. Right Wing propagandists are going ape shit over this

I happened to catch Mark Levin today, he was practically frothing at the mouth, he was so pissed at Boner.

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