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Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:51 PM

Los Angeles Times: Tea party activists blame losses on Republican establishment

Source: Los Angeles Times

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tea-party-20121111,0,4516315.story

Los Angeles Times: Tea party activists blame losses on Republican establishment

Angry tea party activists say Mitt Romney was too moderate and the GOP undermined 'true conservative' candidates.

By Robin Abcarian, Los Angeles Times

November 11, 2012

Mitt Romney's loss to President Obama on Tuesday unleashed predictable angst and debate in a Republican Party that must now decide how to attract a more diverse electorate.

But for conservatives who identify with the tea party, one emotion seemed to dominate all others: a white-hot anger at the Republican establishment. Tea party supporters are angry at the GOP for embracing as its presidential nominee a "moderate" like Romney. For undermining "true conservative" candidates. And for "choosing to ignore" the conservative agenda.

Wednesday, the political direct-mail pioneer Richard Viguerie gathered a group of disenchanted conservatives for a news conference in Washington. Calling Romney's loss "the death rattle" of the GOP, Viguerie, chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, said, "The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today."

He called upon the Republican leadership to resign for its part in the "epic election failure of 2012." That includes Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, who has not announced whether he will run for the post again, House Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

But he didn't stop there.

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Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tea-party-20121111,0,4516315.story



I want the GOP to become more conservative ... I want them to own it ....

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Trajan Nov 2012 OP
Lars77 Nov 2012 #1
oldhippydude Nov 2012 #2
valerief Nov 2012 #3
cyclezealot Nov 2012 #20
WRH2 Nov 2012 #52
AndyTiedye Nov 2012 #60
Lefty Thinker Nov 2012 #92
SoapBox Nov 2012 #4
loudsue Nov 2012 #61
OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #73
svpadgham Nov 2012 #5
ISW Nov 2012 #6
Volaris Nov 2012 #26
AlGoreRhythms Nov 2012 #7
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #67
SCVDem Nov 2012 #8
bongbong Nov 2012 #9
Moostache Nov 2012 #75
Skittles Nov 2012 #10
Kurovski Nov 2012 #11
lobodons Nov 2012 #12
Lunabelle Nov 2012 #15
Skittles Nov 2012 #21
funkhowser1 Nov 2012 #43
Skittles Nov 2012 #44
BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #31
vanlassie Nov 2012 #36
AAO Nov 2012 #71
geek tragedy Nov 2012 #59
mzmolly Nov 2012 #13
Speck Tater Nov 2012 #14
calimary Nov 2012 #16
Cha Nov 2012 #17
Heather MC Nov 2012 #30
Volaris Nov 2012 #35
raising2moredems Nov 2012 #18
Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #19
ffr Nov 2012 #22
ballaratocker Nov 2012 #23
Walk away Nov 2012 #47
Indi Guy Nov 2012 #24
Diclotican Nov 2012 #25
oldbanjo Nov 2012 #40
wellspring Nov 2012 #49
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olddad56 Nov 2012 #27
Nika Nov 2012 #28
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wellspring Nov 2012 #51
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Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #37
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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:54 PM

1. This is awesome. More Todd Akins please.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:56 PM

2. thank you, thank you, thank you...

pretty please with sugar on it.. run to the far right....can't wait till 14

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:56 PM

3. Yes, Mitt lost because he WASN'T CRAZY ENOUGH. Now that's crazy! nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:58 AM

20. any party that would take a country to a 'fiscal cliff' is crazy

and not responsible. We Californian's have been living with their rule of ruin philosophy for decades. And they took us over the fiscal cliff. All of them are crazy , even most of the one's who know how not to sound crazy.

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Response to cyclezealot (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:52 AM

52. More bibles,bullets and pollution for all.

I kinda thinken the cliff has some advantages, rolls back all the tax cuts for the 1% and how else could we achieve 250 b/year in defense cuts. Krugman predicts a slight recession and a much stronger economy afterward. We do need to deal with debt. the recovery IS very weak. I'll admit I don't have all the details. But what were able to achieve through the house will be pablum. If we don't strengthen the dollar, I worry they will trade oil in China currency. We need to strengthen our economy and jobs base.

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Response to WRH2 (Reply #52)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:41 AM

60. It Raises Everyone Else's Taxes Too

The teabaggers still control the House, so any tax cut that excludes the 1% will be DOA.

The recession won't be "slight", it will be massive, and we'll be stuck in it for a long time with no way to do any kind of stimulus.

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Response to WRH2 (Reply #52)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:41 AM

92. The deficit and debt are byproducts

The debt is not the problem people tend to think. Congress could choose to coin new money to pay it off and cover its ongoing net spending. Because our government issues dollars, it has never needed to borrow in order to spend. (We had a period of a self-imposed gold standard, but that ended more than 40 years ago.) Such a dramatic decision would surely create inflation in the short run, but would absolutely eliminate the debt (over the next 20 years). It would also keep the overnight rate near zero (which Congressional borrowing has avoided).

The deficit arises because the private sector is choosing to save and import more than it exports. If the governmental sector does not run an adequate deficit (which it currently is not) we see incomplete utilization of our productive capacity (unemployment). This triggers additional government spending on unemployment and welfare programs, increasing the deficit. It also forces people in the private sector who lose jobs to spend their savings. Between these two factors the accounting balances again but people are less happy. The only real choices for the government are "How many people will we keep unemployed?" and "How will we allocate our net spending (deficit)?"

The debt is actually a measure of American prosperity: every dollar borrowed by our government either ends up in a private account or in foreign hands in exchange for real goods (including foreign currency). Our government did not have to borrow that money; Congress has the power to coin money as it sees fit (see Article II, section 8 of the Constitution). But, in addition to benefiting bankers, it does give us a helpful tool to measure American prosperity.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:58 PM

4. Oh ya!

More of the same OR even more crazy!

2014...Take back the House.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:42 AM

61. Be VERY careful what you wish for.

There is HUGE money being spent at the local level to get republicans in the US House, as well as on a State legislative level....which, of course, eventually feeds the US legislature. The Tea Party is NOT a group to cheer-on. They have the robber barons behind them.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:18 AM

73. Agreed.

Beware the Tea Party and ALEC members, too.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:59 PM

5. I believe it's the "crazy" they should blame. n/t

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:59 PM

6. Let the bloodletting begin!

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Response to ISW (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:29 AM

26. Yep.

I predict that the crazies will win this fight (at least for the time being) and when the GOP gets almost utterly swept from Congress by by the time of the next Presidential Cycle, then the moderates who are still willing to associate with that Party will look like adults, and can start walking the long road back to Party Sanity.

But in the meantime, bring on the Bloodlettings!!!!!! This is going to be soooooooo much fun to watch by the time the Mid-Terms roll around again.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:08 AM

7. Every time the rethugs lose

they blame it on not being conservative enough.

How far up their own asses are their heads?

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Response to AlGoreRhythms (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:41 AM

67. This far? (See below)

 



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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:10 AM

8. Guess who's contributing to the cause?

Each and every comedian in the country!

You just can't make up Bat Shit Crazy. You need the video.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:14 AM

9. Future Purity test questions for repig candidates

 

1. Do you think rape is

A. A gift from God
B. A really super duper gift from God
C. How we repigs manage to have sex with icky girls

2. Taxes on the rich are

A. Class warfare
B. Evil
C. Super Evil
D. An affront to God & Jesus

3. Minority rights are

A. Evil
B. An affront to God & Jesus
C. satan's plan

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Response to bongbong (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:55 AM

75. I object to Question #1!!

Its OBVIOUSLY a "gotcha" question as the ONLY right answer (An Affront to God & Jesus) is not one of the choices....damn liberal media! (*sarcasm*)

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:17 AM

10. this is GREAT NEWS

as long as these deluded teabaggers scream for more conservative bullshit, power will keep slip-sliding away from them

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:22 AM

11. Yes, maybe they can find more Tea Party men who can further explain the magical properties of rape.

That will assure a monumental landslide next time.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:24 AM

12. Boehner has the opportunity to restore the GOP to sanity

If Boehner ignores the wingnuts of the extreme right (the Tea Partiers) he can work with the Dems to not only bring the Country back to prominence, but can get hold of his party and eventually bring the GOP back to reality and sanity.

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Response to lobodons (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:30 AM

15. Restore them back to sanity?

You'd have to go way back for that one.

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Response to lobodons (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:03 AM

21. you DO realize you're talking about this guy, right?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:17 AM

43. He looks like a Basset Hound we use to own.

RIP Snookie, you were a great dog for 16 years.

By all means, hold hands and jump off the bridge with the Tea-hadists. Please, more of the same. Please do keep up the anti-women, anti-gay, anti-minority rhetoric. It just went over so well.

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Response to funkhowser1 (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:31 AM

44. OMG: basset hound....always takes me back to my youth in England

this basset used to show up, come in the front door when we answered, make himself at home on the couch, sleep for a couple of hours, then leave.....we found out later he ("Henry") lived down the end of the street and sacked out in several houses......we loved it because we could not have pets (we were USAF, and pet quarantine was 6 months).

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Response to lobodons (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:42 AM

31. Oh my.

The orange boner? Sanity?

In the same breath?

Goodness gracious.

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Response to BouzoukiKing (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:08 AM

36. Speaking of breath. Imagine his. Yech.

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Response to vanlassie (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:33 AM

71. Tobacco, booze, and Teabag semen. Disgusting!

 

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Response to lobodons (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:32 AM

59. Boehner isn't their leader--Grover Norquist is. nt

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:27 AM

13. This is delicious.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:28 AM

14. We can only hope and pray that the TPers get their way.

 

What better way to insure that the Republican party fades into oblivion?

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:35 AM

16. Oh brother, here it comes.

It sure did sound like they weren't gonna get the message. Looks like that's exactly how it's playing out. Yeah! MORE CONSERVATISM!!! MORE EXTREMISM!!! That's what we need! HAH! Although I, too, call for rinsed penis to resign. As well as boner and yertle. For GROSS dereliction of duty - to America, not just to their stinkin' party.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:38 AM

17. Ha! We knew that was coming..

What happened to Todd Akin and what's his name.. Richard Mourdock? Were they also not crazy enough?

Riddle us that, teabaggers? Why did they lose?

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Response to Cha (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:36 AM

30. ahem i can answer this question, they lost because

black people are racist uninformed voters and the democrats have taken advantage of them. And they have forgotten that Republicans are the party of Lincoln.


well this is what I read on s Facebook post

FYI I am a black woman happily married to a white man so naturally I am racist

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Response to Cha (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:46 AM

35. Well, see they lost because every journalist in America...

and you can fill in the rest of it with whatever lunatic conspiracy nonsense feels most correct to you at the moment.

THAT'S WHY they lost.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:45 AM

18. Keep thinking that way

The demographics of the US have changed, the "r" party has not. What passes for the "r" party today can be best described as Dixiecrats. Nixon's Southern Strategy was viable in 1968, it is not today. My neighbors, who are educated, sane people DO NOT get it.

The "r" party may truly implode the day the winning candidates are both non-Caucasian.

My neighbors know I am Obama/Democrat supporter. The day the husband (and don't get me wrong, we get along with our neighbors) ask me why, I am going to answer this way: in 2010, "r" candidates ran on job creation on the state and federal level. At the state level, vaginas and voter suppression were their major efforts (V&V as I call it). At the federal level, tax cuts, deregulation, repeal of the Affordable Care Act and denying Obama 2nd term were their major efforts.

IMHO, universal health care will be here soon. The ACA is the hammer some needed.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:45 AM

19. So Mitt lost because he wasn't enough of an asshole....

This is how not just a political party dies, but an entire movement.

"Conservative" is SOOOO 20th century....

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:17 AM

22. I hope the GOP learns nothing from this drubbing.

Stay the course dummies. Victory can be yours if you triple and quadruple down on failed policies.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:18 AM

23. What is an 'Establishment Republican' to these people?

Someone who sleeps in a bed instead of the tray of their pick up truck? Someone who doesn't shop at the gas station but at the supermarket? Someone who calls the place where they park their car a 'garage', instead of a 'car hole'?

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Response to ballaratocker (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:12 AM

47. "Car Hole"! Classic!!!! nt

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:25 AM

24. I wasn't sure I read that headline right...

My logical mind wanted to read it, "Republican establishment blames losses on Tea Party activists." This makes perfect sense to me.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:28 AM

25. Trajan

Trajan

If the Republicans is to go further to the right now , they have to turn to the nazis - or the fascist as they are the only way they still can be mounted as a "serious" participant in any election..

The Tea Party candidates, it the ones who could ruin everything republicans stand for - not that they have not doing their best to do exactly that for the last decade or so already.. But it is maybe for the best - that the republicans -and their "tea-party" groups is killing of the party all together - and hopefully the moderates (who still exist) can make a new party, who can work together for the best of the country. What we look at today, is a long death bed for the current republican party - who claim to be conservative, but in reality it is a long time since the republican party could call them self anything near a conservative party - they are just utterly nuts..

If Romney was a moderate - I fear for the next candidate - he was worse than Bush jr.. Who was horrible.. The next republican candidate for the US presidency, if even Romney was a moderate have to anything near Djengis Khan or Attila the Hun who kind of turned Europe upside down for a while..

Abe Lincoln, and Dwight "Ike) Eisenhower would not have understand the party of today - by todays standard no one of them would have been electable for anything in the Republican party - they would both be to liberal, to moderate to soft to the current environment in the republican party.. As the current republican Party is full of pepole who might need some deep needed help in a mental institution..

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:35 AM

40. You are 100% correct.

If a party like they want would get in we would have a Civil War. Their would be no News Media, we would be like Germany in WW ll.

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:28 AM

49. Guess what, Diclotican, they already ARE Nazis.

 

Check out this video of the Wiking German stormtrooper Nazi reenactment group. They would dress up like this and march around. For "historical education purposes" you understand. One of their members was Rich Iott, who became the 2010 nominated Republican who ran against Representative Marcy Kaptur in Ohio.


&feature=player_embedded&bpctr=1352637652


But I wouldn't be surprised if their attempts to take over the GOP fail. They're so far off the deep end that their own party itself could turn against them in primaries. Especially now that the GOP establishment can blame the Tea Party for the 2012 losses. After all, they'd probably have the Senate by now if not for Akin and his ilk. You can be sure that from here on out the GOP "moderates" will go after them like never before.

I would call the Tea Party the Creep Party.

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Response to wellspring (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:49 AM

72. wellspring

wellspring

I do remember rep Marcy Kaptur in Ohio - I even commented on that case last year, rather tasteless I would say... And the "education" bit of it - I'm not sure, I have relatives and family who once was fighting them on real - and they kind of "immunized" med against this fellows... The nazi germans was not exactly the nice bunch of people,and I'm I'm not wrong, this guys is not playing around in Whermact uniforms, but rather the Waffen SS whose hallmark was a trail of blood and destruction in their wake, almost all over Europe.. Not that Whermact was any better, but at least they as "regular army soldiers"..

They might turn against each other in the end - they have already started the civil war, inside their own party - and it is just a matter of time before the first casualties of that civil war will be known... And the neo-nazism in US is on the grow - and have been that for many years now - something that scare me, as I know to a degree what nazism is all about - and it is not exactly any better with the neo-nazism than it was with the old nazism - they are at least as violent as the old guard was- but far less organized than the old bunch was.. If the neo-nazism ever got the same level of organization talent as Hitler did with his original nazism - then US will be in trouble for sure.. But they do not have any Hitler to lean on (even if he was a devil, he was a master in making people do what he wanted them to do in a way he wanted them to do)

If if exist any GOP "moderates" in the Republican Party's more higher excelons today - they should have tried to take back their party a long way ago - as it is today the Tea Party, and the extremists have already taken over the party - and is stealing it blind by acting in a way that most moderates in the GOP would find disgusting.. But the bully party have taken over the power, and it is not easy to take back the controls from bullies - it is very similar to the bullies in the school yard - they act one way when others with power are in the area - a whole different way when the bullies are on their own, out of sight from the ones with power.. The Tea Party is nothing more than a gang of bullies who acted as the GOP bully arm - and then managed to take over the party... It will take a long time before the Republican Party can make it from this attack from the far right in the US. The brand of GOP is destroyed or damaged for at least a generation because of the last decade of fooling to the far right.. I Doubt the republicans will be able to control anything for years and years - and as their power base shrunk, they will get more and more desperate to make their voice heard.. What we know hear, about seeding from the Republic, to go on a rampage against liberals, communist, socialism and every imagine "enemy" on the left side of the political spectrum is something that SHOULD be acted up on.. Because it will just be worse as the reality of this election goes true the rank and file to the bottom of the pile.. It will not be a nice picture when it all goes south, so to say..

Diclotican

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:32 AM

27. so how does that explain why so many of the tea-bager creeps who were running for office lost?

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:33 AM

28. Whatever they believe, they now should all fight and terar each other up.

It's the Repug way to celebrate their denial.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:35 AM

29. Love all the finger pointing

A Republican circular firing squad.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:48 AM

51. Hard to say if the Creep Party will take over the GOP

 

or shoot THEMSELVES in the head. See this. Don't say I didn't warn you, she's drunk, and blaming everyone under the Sun for the GOP loss. She openly says she's a "kook" and proud of it. This is Shelly Dankert of Norfolk, NE, and she really is nuts, one six pack away from a six shooter:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/101776876



The first time I listened to this I was shocked. The second time I chuckled. Then I really started to laugh. It was fun watching the Rethuglicans lose it and go off the deep end over their loss. She's blaming everyone in sight. Problem is, she's so far off the deep end that people like her will probably keep the Creep Party from getting control of the GOP.



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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:42 AM

32. Interesting, the Astroturf teabaggers are now allowed to talk.

I figure those that hold the purse strings wouldn't allow the 'followers' to be active before the election; and since they lost, well, I guess they'll be busy the next four years.

Had Romney won, I bet the teabaggers would have been pretty much deactivated.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:43 AM

33. And Richard Viguerie of all people is their leader?

Viguerie has been around since 1961, when he became the executive secretary of Young Americans for Freedom. As an organizer and the inventor of right-wing, direct-mail fundraising, he was one of the pioneers of of the movement conservatism that pretty much took over the party in 1980.

Over the course of his career, he's worked hand in glove with everyone from rogue CIA agents to Reverend Moon.

As a fundraiser, he set the standard that it was acceptable for conservatives to cheat other conservatives in order to enrich themselves -- the premise that may have undone the Romney campaign.

And now he wants to lead the Tea Partiers out of the wilderness? Just who's crazy here?

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:43 AM

34. Moar crazy, please.

And could we get some Black Panthers to open doors for little old ladies?

This is delicious.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:09 AM

37. The real, true definition of:

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:55 AM

42. LOL. n/t

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:20 AM

38. Legitimate Conservatives have a way of shutting the GOP down. n/t

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Response to JBoy (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:18 AM

58. Lets pretend we are sleep

and let them stay batshit crazy.
America now knows for sure that the Democrats
are the adults and the thugs are living in
LaLa Land.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:21 AM

39. THE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!!

I agree. Double down for 2016. It's a winning strategy!!!

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:35 AM

41. So Americans chose the more liberal candidate because Romney wasn't conservative enough?

Huh?
How does this logic work?
If the Republican had been more conservative all the voters would have suddenly switched from liberal to conservative?
Methinks theythinks not at all.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:49 AM

45. The problem with the GOP continuing its hard right trajectory is that it WILL pull the DEM

Party Apparatus further right, too. Always in search of the ever-redefined Center.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:08 AM

46. Part of me giggles

Because this means that the same idiots who droved the GOP off the cliff will keep their hands on the wheel, and their pedal to the metal. in 2016, the SMART thing would be for the GOP to run a "moderate" while wearing hair shirts to act sorry for 30 years of wrecking the nation.

However, as someone else pointed out here, as lojg as they act batshit crqazy, the DLC will say "we need to go to the center!"

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:18 AM

48. The problem with the modern republic party is

The word modern. Civilization has moved on, leaving Neanderthals behind.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:45 AM

50. I'm not laughing. I'm terrified

Hitler and the Nazi agenda was considered crazy and out there early on. But it didn't take them long to gain/usurp power and exact a heavy toll on the world that is still being felt. I'd be very cautious about considering this just a laughing matter and joking about sending money to these people. Such rhetoric will embolden them and make their cause all the more justified in their own minds. It is funny how crazy is catching. Over the past 10 years I've watched a mentality develop that I never though possible. And it gets stronger and more pervasive. So, laugh if you will. I for one will shudder and hope that we've learned our lessons from the past and can actively work to not let these people gain power.

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Response to MickeyFinne (Reply #50)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:16 AM

57. Good point, Mickey.

 


They really are dangerous and they're really not a joke.





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Response to wellspring (Reply #57)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:04 PM

79. and i agree

hubby a couple of days ago said, "the repug party is starting to remind me of the nazis." anti-homosexual, anti-minorities, anti-women, anti-labor, pro-business are some of the things under hitler. and the rabid brownshirts were an ignorant violent lot who were eventually betrayed by hitler.

however, we are not as homogeneous as the past german state. we are very much a diverse society; and if they even attempted the bullshite on the public; well, there's much more of us than them. and, that includes us anglos that don't go along with their hatred.

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Response to MickeyFinne (Reply #50)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:48 PM

89. and like the Nazis they have big money behind them

German industrialists terrified of Bolsheviks financed the Nazis. Without this support they would have been a bunch of inconsequential loonies.

With the support, they became powerful loonies who destroyed an entire continent.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:01 AM

53. get them out of Congress

The election is 2014.
The Party will have to do what it did in 2012: generate a solid and professional ground game; raise a lot of money.

Congress is just as important as the White House.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:01 AM

54. Let the fleecing of gullibus conservasaurus begin

Richard Viguerie and his ilk want one thing: money. They will cross-market the hell out of white-hot teabilly rage with every miracle cure known to man and make a fortune.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:02 AM

55. Yes, because Akin and Mourdock did so well in their election...

...they did get elected, right?

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:10 AM

56. Excellent.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:53 AM

62. Sorry but I would tend to blame it more on Mitt Romney

I think one of Mitt's biggest flaws this election was that he did everything to cater to everyone and every extreme instead of just sticking with the person who won the state of Massachusetts for governor. I think we tend to forget there is a whole country out there that doesn't really belong to the extreme left OR extreme right.

I could use Delaware as an example. Because our primaries are closed and there aren't that many republicans in our state, a loop job extremist like Christine O'Donnell was able to upset the very moderate and very popular with everyone Mike Castle. But in the end when the entire voter population has to decide between batshit crazy and normal, most of the time normal will win. Sure, thanks to redistricting we make it easier for batshit crazy to win but look at the senate races and how many swing states rejected batshit crazy senate candidates in favor of sane ones.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:18 AM

63. If they become any more conservative, they will need to be contained in jails or mental institutions

Meanwhile I would like for Obama to remind Republicans during negotiations that they need to have the Latino vote (Republicans are asking for this first, of course). Then tell these Republicans that unless they first pass the Obama Tax Plan, raising taxes on the $250,000 or more crowd, that he will only offer very radical immigration reform, including banning states like AZ from their racist laws and procedures, for them to vote on until the next election so as to obtain a majority of Democrats in the house. But if they fix the fiscal crisis his way, then Obama could allow a comprehensive plan which will give states some leeway.

This is called negotiation!

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:22 AM

64. Go for it. More wackos, more Trumps, more Mourdocks, Bachmanns....Santorum for President!

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:38 AM

65. Dick Lugar would have walked back into the Senate w/ >65% of the vote but ..

.... the tea party and Fox news listeners really thought he was too liberal
and nominated a man who thinks a pregnancy that comes from rape is a
gift from God.

The demographics are brutal for the republicans and the more whack-a-doodle
they become the more isolated and small as a political party they will become.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:40 AM

66. The problem with their doubling-down on the crazy

is that lots of people live in areas under Republican domination, and there will be a lot of suffering borne if they stagger even further to the right. Just in my state of Indiana we pioneered voter suppression via ID requirements (not-so-coincidentally accompanied by motor vehicle bureau branch closings in urban areas) and had right-to-work rammed through the legislature.

While I agree that on a national level moving the Republicans to the right will diminish their influence (thanks, teabaggers, for making room for a Democrat to replace Lugar in the Senate!), I don't think it's worth the price we'd have to pay in terms of workers' rights, destruction of education (we had to fight off a creationism bill last legislative session in addition to the ongoing battle against school takeovers), etc. in the "red states."

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:05 AM

68. It's time for all GOP factions to join arms in a big turkey hunt

with Dick Cheney

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:30 AM

69. They should form their own party - The Tea Party

 

And strip 25% of the votes from the Republican Party. That would get rid of both of them.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:30 AM

70. Not conservative enough??!!

For crying out loud, Mitt was going to cut "entitlements", get rid of the EPA and Obamacare, destroy any remaining regulation on Wall Street and business, and I'm certain any Supreme Court appointees he made would have been the final vote needed to get rid of Roe v. Wade........what else did the tea partiers have in mind to inflict on America? Round up liberals/gays/people of color and deport us?

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:47 AM

74. "Too Moderate"???

Yeah that'll go over real well, just present someone even worse than Mitt Romney to the public.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:58 AM

76. huh?

racist calling the kettle black. As long as they have rethugs kowtowing to their line, real americans will line up against the rethug party and keep sending them to the dustbin of history. period. Yes, please move further to the right at the behest of your tea bagger masters. Please!

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:59 AM

77. Now I'm not the Republican establishment

But if I were I'd tell them to get themselves their own party. (No compromise, no sharing, my way or the highway, love it or leave it, .... sorts don't really make good partners.)

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:00 PM

78. Bring it on Teatards! Just keep spewing, and keep being idiots. The rest of America....

....will get some work done.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:06 PM

80. Most of the people I know DON'T LIKE Tea Thugs selling our lives, trying to kill CMS/Medicare

and make Social Security vulnerable to Wall Street.

boo!

Almost all of my friends do not like Tea Party BULLIES and hate mongers.

and Tax Dodgers with offshore, PRIVATE Tax KINGDOM serving ChurKoch bros Ouroborous, OIL Royal ChurchCo Kings.

and war profiteers.

................

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for pi.~

USA!

American pie, anyone?

Celebrate! You!!!

Shop local.

Support local artists & local food producers.

Celebrate local communities!

Yay us!!

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:12 PM

81. Trajan - thanks for the link

Very good read and the comments are fascinating . The GOP is still in denial.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:13 PM

82. Well I woulnt expect them to blame themselves...

Tea baggers admitting that they were part of the problem?? never gonna happen.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:14 PM

83. Has the Tea Party ever considered losses may be the result ofpeople rejecting the Tea Party agenda?

Just sayin'.....

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:19 PM

84. Gloating here. nt

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:30 PM

85. Paul Ryan was selling American lives for >7K @ person/yr. Biden SHAMED mr repubKochmobster Ryan,

shamed him indeed! and Ryan knew it.

Shameful selling off the lives of other people, not himself or his and those who agree with him on the price of one human life.

wow.

Paul Ryan is done with American politics. You just can't beat selling people's lives for having a significant, long lived, political problem. He's over. I really can't see how he can survive politically now. Killing people and letting them die for a price is just effing amazing, especially when we look at everything that has happened with the election cycle this time around. Astounding rise of a people's movement for USA!

Ryan's done.

Never forget.

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Shop local!

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:33 PM

86. Rove is Nixon's bitter REVENGE on the Republican Party, a DISASTER.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:11 PM

87. Tea Baggers are old white fox induced mental patients

They are dieing out quickly. Our local county chapter demonstrates every sat (weather permitting) in front of the shopping center where I do my banking. Before the election there was about a dozen or so geriatric fools out there. This week only 5. LMAO.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:23 PM

88. Okay

Keep running nutjobs like Todd Akin, Mourdock and others. Feel free. Social conservative is just another name for American Taliban, and we all know that Republicans aren't fiscally conservative when they get into office - they just harp on it when they aren't in charge.

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:54 PM

90. the Republican party is dying

it has no new message and it has lots touch with the people ...the 99% who vote

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:26 AM

91. Match blames wood for the fire. nt

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Response to Trajan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:04 AM

93. Beautiful!

The tea party will totally DESTROY the republican party!

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