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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:47 AM

Minn. pastor arrested for sexual assault during ‘ex-gay’ therapy

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Source: raw story



A Minnesota pastor has been arrested for sexually assaulting two gay men while counseling them about their “homosexual tendencies.”

Charging documents released this week indicated that 55-year-old Rev. Ryan J. Muehlhauser was accused of eight felony counts of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct on at least two men during sessions about how to “escape the gay lifestyle,” according to KARE.

Muehlhauser was a pastor at Lakeside Christian Church in Cambridge, but met the men through Outpost Ministries, which claims it was “formed over 30 years ago to meet the needs of men and women making the decision to break away from gay life.”

The first victim told authorities that Muehlhauser had “blessed” him by cupping his genitals. The pastor required the victim to arouse himself for “spiritual strength” and later instructed the man to get naked and masturbate in front of him, calling it “spiritual guidance.”

Muehlhauser told a second victim that he would “loose everything” if details of the abuse became public.

“To seek comfort and advice and to help address the pain they were experiencing only to have them experience a more horrific type of pain, sadness,” Isanti County Attorney Jeffrey Edblad said.

The alleged abuse began as early as Dec. 31, 2010 and continued until at least Oct. 31, 2012.

“You have a defendant who spends a significant amount of time working with and grooming victims, these are often cases that take place over a period of months and years. They don’t happen in a vacuum,” Edblad explained.


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Reply Minn. pastor arrested for sexual assault during ‘ex-gay’ therapy (Original post)
trailmonkee Nov 2012 OP
jerseyjack Nov 2012 #1
ck4829 Nov 2012 #2
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #3
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #8
jberryhill Nov 2012 #12
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #13
jberryhill Nov 2012 #14
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #19
DCKit Nov 2012 #21
jberryhill Nov 2012 #23
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #24
jberryhill Nov 2012 #26
MADem Nov 2012 #32
riverwalker Nov 2012 #22
BigDemVoter Nov 2012 #28
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #31
freshwest Nov 2012 #4
GodlessBiker Nov 2012 #15
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #5
nichomachus Nov 2012 #27
closeupready Nov 2012 #6
MNBrewer Nov 2012 #7
ejbr Nov 2012 #9
nolabear Nov 2012 #10
jberryhill Nov 2012 #11
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #30
sarcasmo Nov 2012 #16
SoapBox Nov 2012 #17
patrice Nov 2012 #18
patrice Nov 2012 #20
Cryptoad Nov 2012 #25
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #29
AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2012 #33
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #34

Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:52 AM

1. He was just trying to show his parishioners what they shouldn't be doing so as not to offend God.

 

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:54 AM

2. Science cures cancer with research, fundamentalism 'cures' the gay with molestation

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:54 AM

3. Marcus Bachmann believes in ex-gay therapy

just saying

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:59 AM

8. As Lynn Winstead said....

.... when asked "What would surprise you about Michelle Bachmann?

"If she slept with her husband."

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:27 AM

12. Why doesn't someone start "straight to gay" therapy for these folks?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:30 AM

13. That is their complaint about gays

that the gays are out to convert everyone to gay
and then the species will then cease to exist

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:34 AM

14. But don't you think...

...the real problem is their fear of something inside themselves?

Getting them over that, and comfortable with who they are, seems to my thoroughly uninformed mind as a better idea (he said, as his wife the psychologist started ranting at him again...)

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:59 AM

19. Yes

Everyone needs to get in touch with their male and female sides
WIthin each of us is a balance with the different side and this is what scares them and so their lives are out of balance

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:04 PM

21. The straight guys I know who are totally comfortable with their sexuality...

 

Geeze, I wish I owned that. I'm on the other end, but don't feel so confident. Why is that?

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Response to DCKit (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:11 PM

23. Maybe the artificiality of a binary proposition instead of a continuum?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:28 PM

24. artificiality of a binary proposition

Where are all the bi's? I mean it all "straight or gay" these days. I bet most people are bi to some degree or another.

Imagine a line... one end is black: the heterosexuals. They are no doubt a larger set that the other end of the line which is white...the totally gay people. In between is a huge swath of shades of grey... including people who "tried it" once to those who are 50/50, coming from both ends.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:51 PM

26. Three boxes are no more helpful than two, IMHO


Like I tell my wife, "Maybe I'm gay but just haven't met the right guy yet."

I hope I'm not inadvertently offensive here, but I think any person of any gender or orientation can look at another person of any gender and orientation and say, "Hey, now there's an attractive person." I mean, I can surely differentiate between actor Ernest Borgnine and Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps and, in my opinion, Michael Phelps is more sexually desirable in a physical sense. Someone else might think that Ernest Borgnine has a more "masculine" presence and find that to be more attractive. I wouldn't be interested in sex with either one of them personally, but that doesn't make me blind to whatever may strike me as "attractive" or "unattractive".

A lot of tension seems to come from tangential worrying about "what am I?" according to some classification in "Audubon's Field Guide to the Humans" than finding what they enjoy, perhaps finding someone to enjoy it with, and simply accept being themselves.

Totally IMHO, the "gay/straight" thing strikes me as a broad classification which breaks down when applied in microscopic detail the same way that conceptions of "race" do. There are humans. There are constellations of preferences among humans, the same way there are constellations of "racial characteristics". But obsessing over these things - as applied to some particular individual - is unproductive.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:07 PM

32. Tribalism. You gotta pick a team.

Maybe one day we'll get to a point where we're all on the same side, members of the "Do What Ya Feel" brigade, and there's no need to choose sides, irrevocably or otherwise.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:09 PM

22. and they are neighboring districts

Cambridge Minn is next door to Bachmann's district, bet Marcus and Ryan J. Muelhauser have "crossed paths" at some time.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:45 PM

28. And Marcus Bachman is one, big QUEEN.

I saw him on tv & thought, "damn, who does he think he's fooling?"

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Response to BigDemVoter (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:05 PM

31. Queen for a Day

an old tv show ..............

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:54 AM

4. Typical.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:36 AM

15. Yep. Very typical.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:56 AM

5. get naked and masturbate in front of him, calling it “spiritual guidance.”

I'm sorry.... but that is so absurd, it's almost funny. But I can laugh because I'm a grown man who is not ashamed of his sexuality. The victim was a self-hate victim even before he was duped into going to a pray the gay away scam.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:58 PM

27. I've known two people who were undergoing ex-gay "therapy"

Both were very sad individuals. Their problem wasn't that they were gay, but that they had incredibly poor social skills. They would have been unhappy whether they were gay, straight, or bi, but someone convinced them that they were unhappy because they were gay, and God was punishing them. All the therapy did for them was make them very frustrated sad gay men with worse social skills, because the only place they really fit in was with the ex-gay therapy group that was filled with people like themselves.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:57 AM

6. What scumbag behavior.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:59 AM

7. I wonder what group therapy sessions were like

Hubba hubba!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:01 AM

9. Well, I guess that is one way to turn someone into an ex-gay n/t

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:05 AM

10. I'm SHOCKED, I tell you, SHOCKED!

Honestly, those poor bastards, to be ashamed and looking for something impossible in the first place, and them to be victimized and then intimidated and blamed. I am so proud of them for making this horrible abuse public.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:26 AM

11. Is this that "homopathic" therapy I keep hearing about?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:59 PM

30. No, but they are both equally successful.

 

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:49 AM

16. Asshat!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:54 AM

17. ANOTHER Perv Pastor...

like I'm even surprised.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:57 AM

18. Churches are ordaining *A*N*Y*O*N*E* who will tow the corporate barge. nt

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:02 PM

20. How many young people do think this guy has "helped" by pressuring them into enlisting? nt

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:33 PM

25. Gives a whole new meaning to,,,,

praying away the gay, heh?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:58 PM

29. It's a good position for an abuser to be in

 

these are men that are already so ashamed that they are seeking out a "cure". It wouldn't be too hard to further shame them in to silence.

That shows a degree of premeditation that I hope is taken in to account in the sentencing phase.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:39 PM

33. Maybe the pastor joined the wrong church, and should check out:

http://www.ask.com/wiki/St._Priapus_Church

If he enjoys watching naked men masterbate, wouldn't it be more appropriate?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:45 PM

34. Locking - duplicate thread

of http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014297268 . Please continue discussion there. Thanks.

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