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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:00 AM

Julian Assange says victorious Obama ‘wolf in sheep’s clothing’

Source: AFP

LONDON: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on Wednesday described re-elected President Barack Obama was a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and said he expected the US government to keep attacking the anti-secrecy website.

Speaking to AFP by telephone from Ecuador's London embassy, where he sought asylum in June in a bid to avoid extradition to Sweden over sex crime allegations, Assange said Obama's victory was no cause for celebration.

"Obama seems to be a nice man, and that is precisely the problem," the 41-year-old Australian told AFP, after the president defeated Republican Mitt Romney on Tuesday night to sweep back into the White House. "It's better to have a sheep in wolf's clothing than a wolf in sheep's clothing."

Assange complained of the "persecution" of WikiLeaks by Obama's government. He added: "All of the activities against WikiLeaks by the United States have occurred under an Obama administration.

Read more: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/julian-assange-says-victorious-barack-obama-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing/articleshow/17134972.cms



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Reply Julian Assange says victorious Obama ‘wolf in sheep’s clothing’ (Original post)
cory777 Nov 2012 OP
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #1
gmpierce Nov 2012 #24
leftynyc Nov 2012 #33
msanthrope Nov 2012 #36
MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #34
Festivito Nov 2012 #48
bvar22 Nov 2012 #61
Hydra Nov 2012 #75
treestar Nov 2012 #65
DRoseDARs Nov 2012 #2
Chunk Nov 2012 #3
treestar Nov 2012 #66
azurnoir Nov 2012 #4
pnwmom Nov 2012 #10
SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #12
sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #21
freedom fighter jh Nov 2012 #26
duhneece Nov 2012 #32
bread_and_roses Nov 2012 #40
Festivito Nov 2012 #51
bvar22 Nov 2012 #62
cemaphonic Nov 2012 #5
still_one Nov 2012 #6
JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #7
Blandocyte Nov 2012 #8
truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #9
Cha Nov 2012 #13
sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #63
pnwmom Nov 2012 #11
Cha Nov 2012 #14
DCKit Nov 2012 #15
NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #16
Cha Nov 2012 #17
Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #18
Jeneral2885 Nov 2012 #19
jerseyjack Nov 2012 #20
1monster Nov 2012 #31
eggplant Nov 2012 #39
Jeneral2885 Nov 2012 #47
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #58
treestar Nov 2012 #67
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #59
Jeneral2885 Nov 2012 #64
jerseyjack Nov 2012 #22
Kumbricia Nov 2012 #23
djean111 Nov 2012 #25
Quantess Nov 2012 #28
woo me with science Nov 2012 #37
Jeneral2885 Nov 2012 #49
jerseyjack Nov 2012 #27
1monster Nov 2012 #29
Puzzledtraveller Nov 2012 #72
randome Nov 2012 #30
msanthrope Nov 2012 #44
Jeneral2885 Nov 2012 #50
Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #35
dembotoz Nov 2012 #38
RobinA Nov 2012 #43
AntiFascist Nov 2012 #77
randome Nov 2012 #78
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #41
SidDithers Nov 2012 #42
Javaman Nov 2012 #45
Festivito Nov 2012 #46
snooper2 Nov 2012 #52
bemildred Nov 2012 #53
Wernothelpless Nov 2012 #54
wildbilln864 Nov 2012 #55
Pachamama Nov 2012 #56
Hydra Nov 2012 #57
treestar Nov 2012 #68
Hydra Nov 2012 #69
treestar Nov 2012 #71
Hydra Nov 2012 #73
treestar Nov 2012 #74
MattSh Nov 2012 #60
Hydra Nov 2012 #70
davidn3600 Nov 2012 #76
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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:07 AM

1. Isn't his 15 minutes up already? I could've sworn nobody gave a shit.

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Response to gmpierce (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:29 AM

33. And you just remember

that Assange is still an attention whore who apparently believes his own hype.

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Response to gmpierce (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:02 AM

36. How dare you!!! Don't you dare call my President a 'weasel.' nt

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:30 AM

34. How about giving a shit after killing a bunch from a helicopter and celebrating it afterwards?

The eternal vigilance of government got lost on you this time.

Don't develop the short memory we here accuse others of having. What happened under secrecy and how people who whistle blew about it were tortured was no "15 minutes of fame" !

No shrugs, here, Tarheel_Dem... Just...

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:18 AM

48. Nope, you're wrong. And, nope, you're wrong.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:05 PM

61. As long as I breathe...

..I will care about The Whistle Blowers.

There ARE people who believe that
WE do NOT have the right to know
what OUR government is doing
with OUR money
in OUR name.

I am not one of those people.







You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
Solidarity99!
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Response to bvar22 (Reply #61)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:55 PM

75. Wish I could rec your post

Truth being sacrificed for a "win."

What did we "win," I wonder?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:49 AM

65. +1

He talks as usual as if the number one reason we voted in our election was to find out what he thinks of our choice!

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:12 AM

2. Wait, so Romney was the "sheep in wolf's clothing." Huh? Dude, Julian, you seriously need to stfu.

Either Wikileaks is about "keeping them honest" or it's all about the Julian Assange Show.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:26 AM

3. I thought anonymous saved the election for us!!1

 



On Edit: ;P maybe he should have kept the sheepskin on? jus sayin

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Response to Chunk (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:50 AM

66. it's a theory but you know

I can see it becoming a "fact" with some down the line.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:27 AM

4. ummm didn't wikileaks become known under Obama's administration?

oh well he got his name in print -again, it seems that's what matters-to him

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:21 AM

10. Yup. Wikileaks didn't attack during the Bush administration,

though they had information they could have released in the last year or more of the Bush years.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:28 AM

12. interesting. Nothing surprises me anymore.

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:31 AM

21. Wikileaks attacked BUSH by releasing all the war logs proving the war crimes that

were committed by the Bush administration. I really wish if people are going to comment on these events, they would at least take the trouble to do just a minimum of research.

Most of the leaks by Wikeleaks were from during and before the Bush years. But then Obama announced he was not going to go after the War Criminals. And instead went after the messengers.

Facts are inconvenient I know, but we are not Free Republic here. Jump to the defense of our team no matter what the facts are? Are we really going down that road that we so criticized Bush supporters for. The fact is that millions of people were disappointed to say the least, when Obama announced they were going ignore the crimes of the Bush administration.

The Democrats were absolutely wrong to let the Bush war criminals off the hook, and even more wrong to go after those, like Wikileaks, who revealed many of their crimes.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:56 AM

26. Yes, yes, and yes. nt

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:24 AM

32. I'm with you, sabrina 1

Revealing war crimes makes a person a hero in my books, which Assange is.

I love my President, fought hard to elect him...again. But I think he was too generous to the financial industry and was too hard on the issue of marijuana leglaization and the entire war on drugs.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:06 AM

40. +1000s (n/t)

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:20 AM

51. Nicely said. /nt

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:07 PM

62. Well Done, sabrina 1

I stand with you.


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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:31 AM

5. Ha, I figured we'd be hearing from him soon.

I bet it just burns him up that the media has been so focused on Sandy and the election that no one on the internet has been arguing about his fate for three whole weeks.

Oh, and I bet he's pissed that Nate Silver stole his Internet Nerd King crown.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:34 AM

6. oh fuck you assange /nt

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:01 AM

7. Yeah, we're fucked.

If only the perfect liberal with an encompassing world view had won the election.

What... He wasn't running? Well, I guess we can settle.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:17 AM

8. My crazy aunt says he's a Muslim

I dismiss the opinions of Julian and Aunt Emma.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:20 AM

9. The problem for you, Julian, is that it doesn't matter

If you're right.

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:50 AM

13. Julian's problem is that he's an Asshole.

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:51 PM

63. True to an extent, but only if you live in a bubble. But it is interesting that those who

join the anti-free press brigade, never address the facts revealed. And that is because they cannot. So far not one anti-free press diatribe has claimed that what was published, not just by Wikileaks, but by the major media outlets who worked with them, about the Bush war crimes eg, was not the truth. So they attack the messenger, hoping the world will be distracted from the message. That, so far, has not worked.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:21 AM

11. He still thinks the world's revolving around him. n/t

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:51 AM

14. Go Fuck yourself a la Dick Cheney, Assange.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:53 AM

15. You'd have been disappeared by the alternative, so STFU already. nt

 

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:11 AM

16. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want a sheep for a president.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:16 AM

17. We definitely don't have that. Or is he wearing

Sheep's clothing.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:35 AM

18. Baaaa

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:53 AM

19. Where was Assange

When Reagan and Thatcher was elected? Or the lies about Vietnam was spread? Or the human rights violations in the 1970s?

On the flip side, would Assange please also attack fake elections in authoritarian states first?

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Response to Jeneral2885 (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:27 AM

20. ---wasn't he about 7 or 8 years old at that time?

 

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Response to Jeneral2885 (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:18 AM

31. He was born in 1971. How remiss of him not to be an activist when he was one year old.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:04 AM

39. And it was really hard to post things to the web back then, too. n/t

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Response to Jeneral2885 (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:17 AM

47. My point being

he's only angry at the President for one factor which the average American voter would hardly have considered

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Response to Jeneral2885 (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:53 PM

58. Only one factor?

And that factor would be what? That the US state has declared him an enemy for his journalistic activities and won't assure he won't be extradited/renditioned to the US over bullshit espionage charges, complete with threats of solitary and a life sentence? Hmmmmmmm....

Yeah, you're right the average American voter knows nothing about this. For evidence, see even the ignorance of the non-average voters on this thread.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #58)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:53 AM

67. He's not a journalist

All he did was dump out a shitload of information. It had no effect, and that's why he had to partner with real journalists to go through it and find out what was in it that might affect the public.

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Response to Jeneral2885 (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:54 PM

59. This post wins for all-time ignorance and bizarro effect.

Congrats.

And what did this guy do against Hitler, I'd like to know!

Damn him!

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #59)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:26 AM

64. and you win

for ultimate lack of decorum. By almeans, travel to London (if you like so many Americans do nt know where that is) and help free Assange

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:32 AM

22. Guys. We are all happy that Obama won but in our euphoria, lets not forget....

 

he hasn't always operated in our best interests.

Willingness to give up entitlements in exchange for small increases in the tax codes that the Republicans rejected.

FISA is still running.

Carnivore is still tapping your phones.

Holder --- useless as my left nut.

Anyone remember a guy named Geithner? Not just useless. Harmful.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:33 AM

23. I'm with Assange

I have no problem with what he's saying. He's correct. The U.S. military presence across the world, the Obama administration prosecuted whistleblowers like Bradley Manning, Obama has a kill list and has assassinated American citizens without trial, used drones to bomb innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan. No one, especially on sites like DU that should believe in government transparency and peace instead of war, should lose sight of that. I believe almost any Republican administration would be worse, especially Romney, and Obama is 10 times better on domestic issues but Assange is right that Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing if smart people give him a pass on inexcusable activities that we justly condemned the Bush administration for

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Response to Kumbricia (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:54 AM

25. Have to agree with you.

Assange's opinion on Obama is not really relevant, though.
For me, it was kind of choice between a wolf in sheep's clothing or a wolf proud to be on steroids.

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Response to Kumbricia (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:13 AM

28. Yes, I agree.

This was not something to discuss right before an election, but, the election's over.

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Response to Kumbricia (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:02 AM

37. Well said....and most Democrats and non-authoritarians agree with you.

The authoritarian propaganda is thick whenever a thread like this comes up, but it's important to keep in mind that this is a very important issue for the government.

The personal smearing, rewriting of history, and attempts to spin public opinion will be thick and relentless on any story like this that threatens to open more eyes to the collusion between government and the one percent, and especially the use of government power to persecute and punish those who dare expose the collusion.

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Response to Kumbricia (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:19 AM

49. No president

is clean with no blood on his hands. And Assange isnot someone new. That all said, what is his views compared to the American voter? And if Romney had won, would Romney force the UK to release Assange?

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:10 AM

27. I'll state my position in a different way ---

 

Obama won in '08. He had a following unlike any president since FDR. What did he do with his "army" of followers? NOTHING !

No effort was made to motivate support for his agendas. No requests to write letters in support of health care or reaction againstthe Ryan budget. Nothing.

That is why the younger supporters were not as enthusiastic for his 2nd term.

He ignored his base.

We need to keep on him. Not just be happy he will be around for another 4 years.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:15 AM

29. The fact of the matter is that Obama is NOT perfect. He does have some troubling flaws

that worry me. The Wikileaks, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange case is just one of the problems. Others are the attacks on privacy that, while not started by the Obama Administration have certainly escalated under him. Civil rights do not seem to be Obama's strong point.

And the whole killer drone program bothers me a lot both in lack of due process and as assaults on other countries' sovereignty. (I'm not saying that some of those countries are not also working against us, complicity or involuntarily, but I expect the US should be better than them.)

Did I vote for Obama? You can bet your bippy (whatever a bippy is) I did. I don't think that Romney would be any better and would probably be much worse on these issues.

Whoever won on Tuesday would not have been good news for Assange, and I don't blame him for being bitter. The man was doing a service for the PEOPLE of the world, including us. He should not be so persecuted.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:17 PM

72. Watch it, you'll be taken to the wood shed.

Love Obama the man, not so much for what he continues to do and has escalated as POTUS. Reluctantly got my vote.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:15 AM

30. Trump & Assange, 2016!

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Response to randome (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:40 AM

44. Maybe Assange can find the real birth certificate for Mr. Trump. nt

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Response to randome (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:20 AM

50. Assange would

divulge all of Trump's dirty secrets on Wikileaks ))

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:55 AM

35. Who cares what this rapist thinks! He needs to concentrate on staying out of jail.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:03 AM

38. i am happy obama won but please let us never forget that he is not perfect

and in some ways very much not perfect at all



better than romney and the republicans???? hell yes
but not exactly the lefty dream candidate

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:16 AM

43. I Thought That,

according to the DU rules, those of us who had questions for Obama were supposed to STFU until after the election, at which time we were supposed to "hold his feet to the fire." Well, the election is over.

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Response to RobinA (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:49 PM

77. Exactly....


I would still give Obama the benefit of the doubt and I would hope that Assange is making these comments so that Obama can prove him wrong. We'll see if any actions are made toward Assange's prosecution by the US...

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #77)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:06 PM

78. It's going on 3 years and no actions have been made.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:10 AM

41. As long as I have affordable health care, I don't really care Assange.

 

Have fun in your comfortable embassy room.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:13 AM

42. Julian Assange - the tech world's Donald Trump...nt

Sid

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:48 AM

45. He's not really helping himself.

he made an odd comment a few weeks before the election regarding how the candidates exploit something to their own benefit. It seems to me that Mr. Assange has zero clue about American politics.

Now with this latest statement, he's not helping himself at all.

I think he would be better served by releasing some of those "secret" files he has instead of dangling them over everyones head as his "fail safe".

I'm beginning to think he might be full of shit.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:59 AM

46. " ... in fact, the Republicans will push the administration into ever greater excesses.”

http://activistnews.org/?p=4934#more-4934

This link says it points to AFP, it doesn't. It points to an economic section of indiatimes.

AFP does not have this story online despite being listed as the originator.

Lots of trolls at work today.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:27 AM

52. So are they making him do chores around that place yet?

Doing some windows (the inside only of course ), maybe the spider webs high up in the closets?


Something to earn his keep?

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:32 AM

53. Shut up Julian, stay out of it. nt

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:42 AM

54. When Assange chose his path he knew The Pentagon would hunt him down ...

It wouldn't matter who's in the WH ... Bill Clinton, Hillary, or BO ...

Nelson Mandela is my hero because he chose unity over division ... Assange has this incredible power handed to him and he chooses to play the role of victim instead of activist ... Bradley Manning deserves better from Assange ... as do we all ...

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:55 AM

55. k& r for Assange! nt

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:35 PM

56. Assange thinks Romney is a "Sheep in Wolf's clothing?". Ok. If you believe that Mr. Assange, then

....you truly have lost your mind and have no credibility.

I actually was a supporter of Wikileaks and what you claimed to be doing and the grounds for doing it. I even thout you were being unfairly attacked and charged In Sweden. obama is not perfect and there are policies his administration have followed that I dont agree with (Guantanomo, Drones etc) but I think your suggestion that Romney was a sheep in Wolf's clothing and Obama is the inverse, is simply perverse.

You are proving to me that you are a narcissist, attention seeking media whore who could compete with Trump for the top spot. I guess living in the Equadorian embassy and not having the media camera on you has made you crazy and craving attention.

Well, you got my attention - and comments like this tell me to ignore you....completely. This is really sad Julian....because if your goal was to do good, to have supporters, then you are doing precisely the thing to destroy any support or ability to do good. You lost all credibility in this statement of yours and any future support from me.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:36 PM

57. Wow

Glad to see that we're so happy with our President that it doesn't matter that he covered up Bush's war and financial crimes and tortured Bradley Manning for trying to get the truth to us.

And people seriously ask the question about how good people accept and even cheer for evil...they could just look around and have an answer.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #57)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:54 AM

68. That first sentence

Is as delusional as any freeper thinking Mitt was going to win the election. Talk about creating one's own reality.

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Response to treestar (Reply #68)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:30 AM

69. You're happy that Bush and Cheney are still walking around

After committing war crimes and ordering people tortured?

The President said that we needed to "move forward" from that.

Why should we even bother pretending to be a legitimate lawful power at that point?

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Response to Hydra (Reply #69)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:04 PM

71. To say he is covering up their war crimes

Is as delusional as saying he's a Muslim, born in Kenya, etc.

I think people are throwing the term "war crimes" around like it's easy to prove. Then why haven't international bodies intervened? That's what happens where there are war crimes committed. You don't expect the country involved to prosecute them itself.

And we can be at a war and disagree with being in that war and that's enough. We don't have to establish "war crimes" in order to be against that war.

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Response to treestar (Reply #71)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:25 PM

73. LOL

You don't understand rule of law, do you?

Oh, and just to address your other comment:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation

Funny that Assange helped bring that to light, huh? I'd guess you'd prefer we turn a blind eye to the precedent we tried to establish at Nuremberg.

A crime is a crime. Some crimes are so egregious that they extend beyond borders. If you'd like us to "move on," by all means- drive us straight to hell.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #73)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:46 PM

74. What are the crimes?

Quit throwing that term and laughing at those who make you stand by your assertions. It's like claiming Obama is a Muslim and citing some right wing site to prove it.

Name the crime. See that statutes of the Hague and tell us what the crimes are and where the proof is. It's irresponsible to simply assert someone is guilty of a crime and then expect everyone in the world to go along with it.

These things are not so easy to prove, certainly not so easy as simply publishing an unculled huge number of classified documents.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:59 PM

60. Reminds me of this quote...

“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.” - Mahatma Gandhi

The government is already at step #3, but it looks like DU is still stuck at #2.

Sadly, I'm not sure #4 is anywhere on the horizon.

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Response to MattSh (Reply #60)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:33 AM

70. It'll come

The truth always wins. It's usually an ugly process to get there though, and sometimes a LOT of people die in the process.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:48 PM

76. Apparently many here think Obama should be immune from criticism

Americans should always question their government. I don't give a shit what party is in power. You keep the government honest and transparent by asking questions and being critical. This is a country by the people, of the people, for the people. It's our duty to ask questions.

America comes before the Democratic party. If Obama is covering up a lie or breaking the law, he should be called out on it. Just because he's a Democrat doesn't mean he should be immune from criticism. And just because you criticize him doesnt mean you are a Republican.

People here are just as bad as Republicans with this "if you are not with us, you are against us" bullshit. That's not the way politics is supposed to work in this country.

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Response to cory777 (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:18 PM

79. Julian, I'd be thanking God for small favors if I were you.

If the Rom/Ry had been elected, this persecution of your organization would be much, much worse.
That said, I really hope Wikileaks is the wave of the future. Governments that engage in and depend too much on secrecy, I think, get corrupted by power. They should have their secrets exposed.
I don't think secrets bring down very much. Even Watergate did not destroy our government.
I'm also waiting for Wikileaks to take on China. Or how about Russia, Saudi Arabia or Israel?
Those are the people who are depending on secrets.

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Response to burnsei sensei (Reply #79)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:27 PM

80. It's easier to steal classified documents from the U.S.

Compared to those other governments you mention, we are a much more open society.

That doesn't mean we are perfect or that we don't have secrets that should be revealed.

But the reason Assange seems obsessed with us is because it was easy to steal from us.

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