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cory777

(1,384 posts)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:00 AM Nov 2012

Julian Assange says victorious Obama ‘wolf in sheep’s clothing’

Source: AFP

LONDON: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on Wednesday described re-elected President Barack Obama was a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and said he expected the US government to keep attacking the anti-secrecy website.

Speaking to AFP by telephone from Ecuador's London embassy, where he sought asylum in June in a bid to avoid extradition to Sweden over sex crime allegations, Assange said Obama's victory was no cause for celebration.

"Obama seems to be a nice man, and that is precisely the problem," the 41-year-old Australian told AFP, after the president defeated Republican Mitt Romney on Tuesday night to sweep back into the White House. "It's better to have a sheep in wolf's clothing than a wolf in sheep's clothing."

Assange complained of the "persecution" of WikiLeaks by Obama's government. He added: "All of the activities against WikiLeaks by the United States have occurred under an Obama administration.

Read more: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/julian-assange-says-victorious-barack-obama-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing/articleshow/17134972.cms



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Julian Assange says victorious Obama ‘wolf in sheep’s clothing’ (Original Post) cory777 Nov 2012 OP
Isn't his 15 minutes up already? I could've sworn nobody gave a shit. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #1
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #24
And you just remember leftynyc Nov 2012 #33
How dare you!!! Don't you dare call my President a 'weasel.' nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #36
How about giving a shit after killing a bunch from a helicopter and celebrating it afterwards? MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #34
Nope, you're wrong. And, nope, you're wrong. Festivito Nov 2012 #48
As long as I breathe... bvar22 Nov 2012 #61
Wish I could rec your post Hydra Nov 2012 #75
+1 treestar Nov 2012 #65
Wait, so Romney was the "sheep in wolf's clothing." Huh? Dude, Julian, you seriously need to stfu. DRoseDARs Nov 2012 #2
I thought anonymous saved the election for us!!1 Chunk Nov 2012 #3
it's a theory but you know treestar Nov 2012 #66
ummm didn't wikileaks become known under Obama's administration? azurnoir Nov 2012 #4
Yup. Wikileaks didn't attack during the Bush administration, pnwmom Nov 2012 #10
interesting. Nothing surprises me anymore. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #12
Wikileaks attacked BUSH by releasing all the war logs proving the war crimes that sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #21
Yes, yes, and yes. nt freedom fighter jh Nov 2012 #26
I'm with you, sabrina 1 duhneece Nov 2012 #32
+1000s (n/t) bread_and_roses Nov 2012 #40
Nicely said. /nt Festivito Nov 2012 #51
Well Done, sabrina 1 bvar22 Nov 2012 #62
Ha, I figured we'd be hearing from him soon. cemaphonic Nov 2012 #5
oh fuck you assange /nt still_one Nov 2012 #6
Yeah, we're fucked. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #7
My crazy aunt says he's a Muslim Blandocyte Nov 2012 #8
The problem for you, Julian, is that it doesn't matter truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #9
Julian's problem is that he's an Asshole. Cha Nov 2012 #13
True to an extent, but only if you live in a bubble. But it is interesting that those who sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #63
He still thinks the world's revolving around him. n/t pnwmom Nov 2012 #11
Go Fuck yourself a la Dick Cheney, Assange. Cha Nov 2012 #14
You'd have been disappeared by the alternative, so STFU already. nt DCKit Nov 2012 #15
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want a sheep for a president. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #16
We definitely don't have that. Or is he wearing Cha Nov 2012 #17
Baaaa Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #18
Where was Assange Jeneral2885 Nov 2012 #19
---wasn't he about 7 or 8 years old at that time? jerseyjack Nov 2012 #20
He was born in 1971. How remiss of him not to be an activist when he was one year old. 1monster Nov 2012 #31
And it was really hard to post things to the web back then, too. n/t eggplant Nov 2012 #39
My point being Jeneral2885 Nov 2012 #47
Only one factor? JackRiddler Nov 2012 #58
He's not a journalist treestar Nov 2012 #67
This post wins for all-time ignorance and bizarro effect. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #59
and you win Jeneral2885 Nov 2012 #64
Guys. We are all happy that Obama won but in our euphoria, lets not forget.... jerseyjack Nov 2012 #22
I'm with Assange Kumbricia Nov 2012 #23
Have to agree with you. djean111 Nov 2012 #25
Yes, I agree. Quantess Nov 2012 #28
Well said....and most Democrats and non-authoritarians agree with you. woo me with science Nov 2012 #37
No president Jeneral2885 Nov 2012 #49
I'll state my position in a different way --- jerseyjack Nov 2012 #27
The fact of the matter is that Obama is NOT perfect. He does have some troubling flaws 1monster Nov 2012 #29
Watch it, you'll be taken to the wood shed. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2012 #72
Trump & Assange, 2016! randome Nov 2012 #30
Maybe Assange can find the real birth certificate for Mr. Trump. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #44
Assange would Jeneral2885 Nov 2012 #50
Who cares what this rapist thinks! He needs to concentrate on staying out of jail. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #35
i am happy obama won but please let us never forget that he is not perfect dembotoz Nov 2012 #38
I Thought That, RobinA Nov 2012 #43
Exactly.... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #77
It's going on 3 years and no actions have been made. randome Nov 2012 #78
As long as I have affordable health care, I don't really care Assange. Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #41
Julian Assange - the tech world's Donald Trump...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #42
He's not really helping himself. Javaman Nov 2012 #45
" ... in fact, the Republicans will push the administration into ever greater excesses.” Festivito Nov 2012 #46
So are they making him do chores around that place yet? snooper2 Nov 2012 #52
Shut up Julian, stay out of it. nt bemildred Nov 2012 #53
When Assange chose his path he knew The Pentagon would hunt him down ... Wernothelpless Nov 2012 #54
k& r for Assange! nt wildbilln864 Nov 2012 #55
Assange thinks Romney is a "Sheep in Wolf's clothing?". Ok. If you believe that Mr. Assange, then Pachamama Nov 2012 #56
Wow Hydra Nov 2012 #57
That first sentence treestar Nov 2012 #68
You're happy that Bush and Cheney are still walking around Hydra Nov 2012 #69
To say he is covering up their war crimes treestar Nov 2012 #71
LOL Hydra Nov 2012 #73
What are the crimes? treestar Nov 2012 #74
Reminds me of this quote... MattSh Nov 2012 #60
It'll come Hydra Nov 2012 #70
Apparently many here think Obama should be immune from criticism davidn3600 Nov 2012 #76
Julian, I'd be thanking God for small favors if I were you. burnsei sensei Nov 2012 #79
It's easier to steal classified documents from the U.S. randome Nov 2012 #80

Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #1)

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
33. And you just remember
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:29 AM
Nov 2012

that Assange is still an attention whore who apparently believes his own hype.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
34. How about giving a shit after killing a bunch from a helicopter and celebrating it afterwards?
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:30 AM
Nov 2012

The eternal vigilance of government got lost on you this time.

Don't develop the short memory we here accuse others of having. What happened under secrecy and how people who whistle blew about it were tortured was no "15 minutes of fame" !

No shrugs, here, Tarheel_Dem... Just...

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
61. As long as I breathe...
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:05 PM
Nov 2012

..I will care about The Whistle Blowers.

There ARE people who believe that
WE do NOT have the right to know
what OUR government is doing
with OUR money
in OUR name.

I am not one of those people.







You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
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treestar

(82,383 posts)
65. +1
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:49 AM
Nov 2012

He talks as usual as if the number one reason we voted in our election was to find out what he thinks of our choice!

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
2. Wait, so Romney was the "sheep in wolf's clothing." Huh? Dude, Julian, you seriously need to stfu.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:12 AM
Nov 2012

Either Wikileaks is about "keeping them honest" or it's all about the Julian Assange Show.

 

Chunk

(91 posts)
3. I thought anonymous saved the election for us!!1
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:26 AM
Nov 2012


On Edit: ;P maybe he should have kept the sheepskin on? jus sayin

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
4. ummm didn't wikileaks become known under Obama's administration?
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:27 AM
Nov 2012

oh well he got his name in print -again, it seems that's what matters-to him

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
10. Yup. Wikileaks didn't attack during the Bush administration,
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:21 AM
Nov 2012

though they had information they could have released in the last year or more of the Bush years.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
21. Wikileaks attacked BUSH by releasing all the war logs proving the war crimes that
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:31 AM
Nov 2012

were committed by the Bush administration. I really wish if people are going to comment on these events, they would at least take the trouble to do just a minimum of research.

Most of the leaks by Wikeleaks were from during and before the Bush years. But then Obama announced he was not going to go after the War Criminals. And instead went after the messengers.

Facts are inconvenient I know, but we are not Free Republic here. Jump to the defense of our team no matter what the facts are? Are we really going down that road that we so criticized Bush supporters for. The fact is that millions of people were disappointed to say the least, when Obama announced they were going ignore the crimes of the Bush administration.

The Democrats were absolutely wrong to let the Bush war criminals off the hook, and even more wrong to go after those, like Wikileaks, who revealed many of their crimes.

duhneece

(4,105 posts)
32. I'm with you, sabrina 1
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:24 AM
Nov 2012

Revealing war crimes makes a person a hero in my books, which Assange is.

I love my President, fought hard to elect him...again. But I think he was too generous to the financial industry and was too hard on the issue of marijuana leglaization and the entire war on drugs.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
5. Ha, I figured we'd be hearing from him soon.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:31 AM
Nov 2012

I bet it just burns him up that the media has been so focused on Sandy and the election that no one on the internet has been arguing about his fate for three whole weeks.

Oh, and I bet he's pissed that Nate Silver stole his Internet Nerd King crown.

JohnnyRingo

(18,581 posts)
7. Yeah, we're fucked.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:01 AM
Nov 2012

If only the perfect liberal with an encompassing world view had won the election.

What... He wasn't running? Well, I guess we can settle.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
63. True to an extent, but only if you live in a bubble. But it is interesting that those who
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:51 PM
Nov 2012

join the anti-free press brigade, never address the facts revealed. And that is because they cannot. So far not one anti-free press diatribe has claimed that what was published, not just by Wikileaks, but by the major media outlets who worked with them, about the Bush war crimes eg, was not the truth. So they attack the messenger, hoping the world will be distracted from the message. That, so far, has not worked.

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)
19. Where was Assange
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:53 AM
Nov 2012

When Reagan and Thatcher was elected? Or the lies about Vietnam was spread? Or the human rights violations in the 1970s?

On the flip side, would Assange please also attack fake elections in authoritarian states first?

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)
47. My point being
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:17 AM
Nov 2012

he's only angry at the President for one factor which the average American voter would hardly have considered

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
58. Only one factor?
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:53 PM
Nov 2012

And that factor would be what? That the US state has declared him an enemy for his journalistic activities and won't assure he won't be extradited/renditioned to the US over bullshit espionage charges, complete with threats of solitary and a life sentence? Hmmmmmmm....

Yeah, you're right the average American voter knows nothing about this. For evidence, see even the ignorance of the non-average voters on this thread.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
67. He's not a journalist
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:53 AM
Nov 2012

All he did was dump out a shitload of information. It had no effect, and that's why he had to partner with real journalists to go through it and find out what was in it that might affect the public.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
59. This post wins for all-time ignorance and bizarro effect.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:54 PM
Nov 2012

Congrats.

And what did this guy do against Hitler, I'd like to know!

Damn him!

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)
64. and you win
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:26 AM
Nov 2012

for ultimate lack of decorum. By almeans, travel to London (if you like so many Americans do nt know where that is) and help free Assange

 

jerseyjack

(1,361 posts)
22. Guys. We are all happy that Obama won but in our euphoria, lets not forget....
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:32 AM
Nov 2012

he hasn't always operated in our best interests.

Willingness to give up entitlements in exchange for small increases in the tax codes that the Republicans rejected.

FISA is still running.

Carnivore is still tapping your phones.

Holder --- useless as my left nut.

Anyone remember a guy named Geithner? Not just useless. Harmful.

Kumbricia

(84 posts)
23. I'm with Assange
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:33 AM
Nov 2012

I have no problem with what he's saying. He's correct. The U.S. military presence across the world, the Obama administration prosecuted whistleblowers like Bradley Manning, Obama has a kill list and has assassinated American citizens without trial, used drones to bomb innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan. No one, especially on sites like DU that should believe in government transparency and peace instead of war, should lose sight of that. I believe almost any Republican administration would be worse, especially Romney, and Obama is 10 times better on domestic issues but Assange is right that Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing if smart people give him a pass on inexcusable activities that we justly condemned the Bush administration for

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
25. Have to agree with you.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:54 AM
Nov 2012

Assange's opinion on Obama is not really relevant, though.
For me, it was kind of choice between a wolf in sheep's clothing or a wolf proud to be on steroids.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
28. Yes, I agree.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:13 AM
Nov 2012

This was not something to discuss right before an election, but, the election's over.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
37. Well said....and most Democrats and non-authoritarians agree with you.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:02 AM
Nov 2012

The authoritarian propaganda is thick whenever a thread like this comes up, but it's important to keep in mind that this is a very important issue for the government.

The personal smearing, rewriting of history, and attempts to spin public opinion will be thick and relentless on any story like this that threatens to open more eyes to the collusion between government and the one percent, and especially the use of government power to persecute and punish those who dare expose the collusion.

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)
49. No president
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:19 AM
Nov 2012

is clean with no blood on his hands. And Assange isnot someone new. That all said, what is his views compared to the American voter? And if Romney had won, would Romney force the UK to release Assange?

 

jerseyjack

(1,361 posts)
27. I'll state my position in a different way ---
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:10 AM
Nov 2012

Obama won in '08. He had a following unlike any president since FDR. What did he do with his "army" of followers? NOTHING !

No effort was made to motivate support for his agendas. No requests to write letters in support of health care or reaction againstthe Ryan budget. Nothing.

That is why the younger supporters were not as enthusiastic for his 2nd term.

He ignored his base.

We need to keep on him. Not just be happy he will be around for another 4 years.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
29. The fact of the matter is that Obama is NOT perfect. He does have some troubling flaws
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:15 AM
Nov 2012

that worry me. The Wikileaks, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange case is just one of the problems. Others are the attacks on privacy that, while not started by the Obama Administration have certainly escalated under him. Civil rights do not seem to be Obama's strong point.

And the whole killer drone program bothers me a lot both in lack of due process and as assaults on other countries' sovereignty. (I'm not saying that some of those countries are not also working against us, complicity or involuntarily, but I expect the US should be better than them.)

Did I vote for Obama? You can bet your bippy (whatever a bippy is) I did. I don't think that Romney would be any better and would probably be much worse on these issues.

Whoever won on Tuesday would not have been good news for Assange, and I don't blame him for being bitter. The man was doing a service for the PEOPLE of the world, including us. He should not be so persecuted.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
72. Watch it, you'll be taken to the wood shed.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:17 PM
Nov 2012

Love Obama the man, not so much for what he continues to do and has escalated as POTUS. Reluctantly got my vote.

dembotoz

(16,739 posts)
38. i am happy obama won but please let us never forget that he is not perfect
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:03 AM
Nov 2012

and in some ways very much not perfect at all



better than romney and the republicans???? hell yes
but not exactly the lefty dream candidate

RobinA

(9,878 posts)
43. I Thought That,
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:16 AM
Nov 2012

according to the DU rules, those of us who had questions for Obama were supposed to STFU until after the election, at which time we were supposed to "hold his feet to the fire." Well, the election is over.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
77. Exactly....
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:49 PM
Nov 2012

I would still give Obama the benefit of the doubt and I would hope that Assange is making these comments so that Obama can prove him wrong. We'll see if any actions are made toward Assange's prosecution by the US...
 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
41. As long as I have affordable health care, I don't really care Assange.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:10 AM
Nov 2012

Have fun in your comfortable embassy room.

Javaman

(62,442 posts)
45. He's not really helping himself.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:48 AM
Nov 2012

he made an odd comment a few weeks before the election regarding how the candidates exploit something to their own benefit. It seems to me that Mr. Assange has zero clue about American politics.

Now with this latest statement, he's not helping himself at all.

I think he would be better served by releasing some of those "secret" files he has instead of dangling them over everyones head as his "fail safe".

I'm beginning to think he might be full of shit.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
46. " ... in fact, the Republicans will push the administration into ever greater excesses.”
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:59 AM
Nov 2012
http://activistnews.org/?p=4934#more-4934

This link says it points to AFP, it doesn't. It points to an economic section of indiatimes.

AFP does not have this story online despite being listed as the originator.

Lots of trolls at work today.
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
52. So are they making him do chores around that place yet?
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:27 AM
Nov 2012

Doing some windows (the inside only of course ), maybe the spider webs high up in the closets?


Something to earn his keep?

Wernothelpless

(410 posts)
54. When Assange chose his path he knew The Pentagon would hunt him down ...
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:42 AM
Nov 2012

It wouldn't matter who's in the WH ... Bill Clinton, Hillary, or BO ...

Nelson Mandela is my hero because he chose unity over division ... Assange has this incredible power handed to him and he chooses to play the role of victim instead of activist ... Bradley Manning deserves better from Assange ... as do we all ...

Pachamama

(16,875 posts)
56. Assange thinks Romney is a "Sheep in Wolf's clothing?". Ok. If you believe that Mr. Assange, then
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:35 PM
Nov 2012

....you truly have lost your mind and have no credibility.

I actually was a supporter of Wikileaks and what you claimed to be doing and the grounds for doing it. I even thout you were being unfairly attacked and charged In Sweden. obama is not perfect and there are policies his administration have followed that I dont agree with (Guantanomo, Drones etc) but I think your suggestion that Romney was a sheep in Wolf's clothing and Obama is the inverse, is simply perverse.

You are proving to me that you are a narcissist, attention seeking media whore who could compete with Trump for the top spot. I guess living in the Equadorian embassy and not having the media camera on you has made you crazy and craving attention.

Well, you got my attention - and comments like this tell me to ignore you....completely. This is really sad Julian....because if your goal was to do good, to have supporters, then you are doing precisely the thing to destroy any support or ability to do good. You lost all credibility in this statement of yours and any future support from me.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
57. Wow
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:36 PM
Nov 2012

Glad to see that we're so happy with our President that it doesn't matter that he covered up Bush's war and financial crimes and tortured Bradley Manning for trying to get the truth to us.

And people seriously ask the question about how good people accept and even cheer for evil...they could just look around and have an answer.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
68. That first sentence
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:54 AM
Nov 2012

Is as delusional as any freeper thinking Mitt was going to win the election. Talk about creating one's own reality.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
69. You're happy that Bush and Cheney are still walking around
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:30 PM
Nov 2012

After committing war crimes and ordering people tortured?

The President said that we needed to "move forward" from that.

Why should we even bother pretending to be a legitimate lawful power at that point?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
71. To say he is covering up their war crimes
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:04 PM
Nov 2012

Is as delusional as saying he's a Muslim, born in Kenya, etc.

I think people are throwing the term "war crimes" around like it's easy to prove. Then why haven't international bodies intervened? That's what happens where there are war crimes committed. You don't expect the country involved to prosecute them itself.

And we can be at a war and disagree with being in that war and that's enough. We don't have to establish "war crimes" in order to be against that war.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
73. LOL
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:25 PM
Nov 2012

You don't understand rule of law, do you?

Oh, and just to address your other comment:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation

Funny that Assange helped bring that to light, huh? I'd guess you'd prefer we turn a blind eye to the precedent we tried to establish at Nuremberg.

A crime is a crime. Some crimes are so egregious that they extend beyond borders. If you'd like us to "move on," by all means- drive us straight to hell.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
74. What are the crimes?
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:46 PM
Nov 2012

Quit throwing that term and laughing at those who make you stand by your assertions. It's like claiming Obama is a Muslim and citing some right wing site to prove it.

Name the crime. See that statutes of the Hague and tell us what the crimes are and where the proof is. It's irresponsible to simply assert someone is guilty of a crime and then expect everyone in the world to go along with it.

These things are not so easy to prove, certainly not so easy as simply publishing an unculled huge number of classified documents.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
60. Reminds me of this quote...
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:59 PM
Nov 2012

“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.” - Mahatma Gandhi

The government is already at step #3, but it looks like DU is still stuck at #2.

Sadly, I'm not sure #4 is anywhere on the horizon.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
70. It'll come
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:33 PM
Nov 2012

The truth always wins. It's usually an ugly process to get there though, and sometimes a LOT of people die in the process.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
76. Apparently many here think Obama should be immune from criticism
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:48 PM
Nov 2012

Americans should always question their government. I don't give a shit what party is in power. You keep the government honest and transparent by asking questions and being critical. This is a country by the people, of the people, for the people. It's our duty to ask questions.

America comes before the Democratic party. If Obama is covering up a lie or breaking the law, he should be called out on it. Just because he's a Democrat doesn't mean he should be immune from criticism. And just because you criticize him doesnt mean you are a Republican.

People here are just as bad as Republicans with this "if you are not with us, you are against us" bullshit. That's not the way politics is supposed to work in this country.

burnsei sensei

(1,820 posts)
79. Julian, I'd be thanking God for small favors if I were you.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:18 PM
Nov 2012

If the Rom/Ry had been elected, this persecution of your organization would be much, much worse.
That said, I really hope Wikileaks is the wave of the future. Governments that engage in and depend too much on secrecy, I think, get corrupted by power. They should have their secrets exposed.
I don't think secrets bring down very much. Even Watergate did not destroy our government.
I'm also waiting for Wikileaks to take on China. Or how about Russia, Saudi Arabia or Israel?
Those are the people who are depending on secrets.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
80. It's easier to steal classified documents from the U.S.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:27 PM
Nov 2012

Compared to those other governments you mention, we are a much more open society.

That doesn't mean we are perfect or that we don't have secrets that should be revealed.

But the reason Assange seems obsessed with us is because it was easy to steal from us.

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