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Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:27 PM

NASA May Unveil New Manned Moon Missions Soon

Source: Space.com

NASA is serious about sending astronauts back to the moon's neighborhood and will likely unveil its ambitious plans soon now that President Barack Obama has been re-elected, experts say.

The space agency has apparently been thinking about setting up a manned outpost beyond the moon's far side, both to establish a human presence in deep space and to build momentum toward a planned visit to an asteroid in 2025.

The new plans have probably already been cleared with the Obama Administration but have been kept under wraps in case Republican candidate Mitt Romney won Tuesday night's (Nov. 6) presidential election, said space policy expert John Logsdon, a professor emeritus at George Washington University.

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"They've been holding off announcing that until after the election," Logsdon added, noting that Romney had pledged to reassess and possibly revise NASA's missions and direction.

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Read more: http://www.space.com/18380-nasa-moon-missions-obama-election.html

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Reply NASA May Unveil New Manned Moon Missions Soon (Original post)
bananas Nov 2012 OP
Permanut Nov 2012 #1
jmowreader Nov 2012 #16
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #2
longship Nov 2012 #3
randome Nov 2012 #4
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #5
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #6
WheelWalker Nov 2012 #44
bananas Nov 2012 #7
bananas Nov 2012 #8
glacierbay Nov 2012 #48
bananas Nov 2012 #54
glacierbay Nov 2012 #55
bananas Nov 2012 #59
loli phabay Nov 2012 #9
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Wilms Nov 2012 #10
Archaic Nov 2012 #11
Earth_First Nov 2012 #12
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #14
Kolesar Nov 2012 #18
Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #19
Kennah Nov 2012 #15
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #22
LongTomH Nov 2012 #13
bananas Nov 2012 #27
joshcryer Nov 2012 #32
bananas Nov 2012 #56
joshcryer Nov 2012 #62
joshcryer Nov 2012 #31
bananas Nov 2012 #52
Gabby Hayes Nov 2012 #17
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #20
Uncle Joe Nov 2012 #21
truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #23
ellie Nov 2012 #24
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #25
Peace Patriot Nov 2012 #26
bananas Nov 2012 #28
TheDonkey Nov 2012 #29
and-justice-for-all Nov 2012 #30
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #33
Peace Patriot Nov 2012 #34
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #37
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #40
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #42
Occulus Nov 2012 #46
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #47
Occulus Nov 2012 #57
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #35
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #38
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #39
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #41
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #43
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #45
LongTomH Nov 2012 #63
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #64
glacierbay Nov 2012 #49
RebelOne Nov 2012 #36
One_Life_To_Give Nov 2012 #50
kentauros Nov 2012 #51
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DavidDvorkin Nov 2012 #60
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Posteritatis Nov 2012 #61

Response to bananas (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:29 PM

1. A couple of quick questions..

1) Can I buy a one way ticket as a gift for my Teabagger cousin?

and

2) Rmoney is unemployed now, any chance he can go?

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Response to Permanut (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:27 AM

16. No to both questions

Be cheaper to send them out in a submarine with the drain plug removed.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:46 PM

2. Of course it'll have to pass an even more obstructionist House.. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:11 PM

3. Who hold the nation's purse strings.

But many Republicans like space research and humans in space.

I wouldn't say that this will not be bipartisan.

I support more humans on the moon.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:16 PM

4. What does "beyond the moon's far side" mean?

Other than that, they have my support.

I guess they mean in orbit.

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Response to randome (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:34 PM

5. They mean the Lagrange point "behind" the moon, relative to Earth

There's points in space where you can genuinely park something - where they'll be stationary relative to certain other nearby objects, so you don't need to expend fuel to keep them in a given location.

To really oversimplfy things, there's five Lagrange points with locations relative to the Earth and the moon, five relative to the Earth and the sun, and so on for most "one small object orbiting one bigger object" scenarios. The article's referring to the second Earth/Moon point. If you ran a straight line from the Earth through the moon, L2 would be 60,000 kilometers above the opposite side of the moon. The Earth/Sun L2 would be the same thing, only you'd draw the line from the sun through the Earth and the end point would be much further out. There'd be another set clustered around Mars or Venus, and so on and so forth.

They can be extremely useful places because of that - it makes keeping something there a lot cheaper, they're all far enough out of the gravity well to have other uses, and a few of them have extra bonuses beyond that. For example, you could put a space telescope at the Earth/Sun L2 point and it would always have Earth as a shade keeping the sun out of the telescope's eyes.

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Response to randome (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:35 PM

6. Probably L2

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:29 PM

44. +1 for the graphic assist !!

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Response to randome (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:36 PM

7. L2 Halo Orbit

I'll dig up a link in a few minutes,
this will be an international gateway,
similar to the ISS but smaller,
it will be in an orbit around located at Earth-Moon Lagrange Point 2.

The lagrange points are where the gravity of the earth and moon balance each other, they have special characteristics.

One of the special characteristics is that you can orbit them, as if there was a gravitational body there.

They also make it easier to go to any other destination in the solar system.



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Response to randome (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:43 PM

8. Wikipedia entry on "Halo Orbit"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_orbit

A spacecraft in a halo orbit does not technically orbit the Lagrange point itself (which is just an equilibrium point with no mass), but travels in a closed, repeating path near the Lagrange point.

Halo orbits are the result of a complicated interaction between the gravitational pull of the two planetary bodies and the coriolis and centrifugal accelerations on a spacecraft.



Halo orbit from above in a frame rotating with the two primary bodies. The blue sphere is the Earth, the gray sphere is the Moon, and the two red spheres are the Lagrange points L1 and L2. The spacecraft is orbiting near the L2 point.


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Response to randome (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:36 PM

48. Dark side of the Moon?

 



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Response to glacierbay (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:41 PM

54. A classic album - thank you.


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Response to bananas (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:45 PM

55. #7 on the top 10 rock albums of all time

 

The Wall is still #1.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #55)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:07 PM

59. Wow - The Wall is still #1.

That says a lot - thank you.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:46 PM

9. about time. we need to go out there to survive as a species

 

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:02 PM

10. .




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Response to bananas (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:24 PM

11. Step One: Universal Health Care

Step Two: Get on discovery/colonization.

The benefits from that science are massive. Materials, communications, construction, etc.

If health care costs can't wreck the personal and national economies, we can do big things again.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:16 PM

12. How about some health care first...?

Im all about space exploration...but sheesh!

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:06 AM

14. Meh. NASA's budget is a drop in the bucket alongside pretty much any other department.

If someone's complaining about them getting funding, especially if they aren't honest enough to admit they want that finding to be zeroed, then it just means they don't know how small that budget is.

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:26 AM

18. More gravy for Raytheon and Rocketdyne

I wrote to President Obama a few years ago and told him to kill the Moon and Mars mission and spend the money on deep space probes and Earth observation satellites. Those missions actually have a benefit for people.

I was happy when the President killed Shrub's stupid program later that year.

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:10 AM

19. +1 nt

 

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:10 AM

15. We can do multiple things at the same time ...

... but you're right that we should pursue Universal Healthcare first. We spend almost twice what the average OECD nation spends on health as a percentage of GDP. Cost savings of Universal Healthcare would let us do all sorts of things.

The spreadsheet is a goldmine.

http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/oecdhealthdata2012-frequentlyrequesteddata.htm
http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/OECDHealthData2012FrequentlyRequestedData_Updated_October.xls

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:14 PM

22. It is possible to do two things at once

 

even three on a good day.

Gutting NASA to save the budget isn't much different than saying we should cut NPR to save the budget.

There are lot's of things that should be on the chopping block first.

/if we cut NASA entirely that would lead to a cost savings of about 50 bucks per person. I'm not sure what kind of healthcare you could get for 50 bucks per year. Even vets charge more than that for a few shots.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:20 PM

13. Why are they still talking about the Space Launch System and Orion capsule?

SpaceX's Dragon capsule and a heavy-lift version of their Falcon 9 launcher will be ready before either, and President Obama wanted to rely on private companies like SpaceX for access to space.

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:57 AM

27. Flexible path - There will be four capsules capable of getting people to L2 and back

Commercial crew only required access to ISS, Orion is designed for deep space missions.
There's no plan for a NASA-sponsored commercial crew program to L2.

Congress mandated SLS. There's a lot of speculation it will eventually be canceled.
It won't be ready for the first flights of Orion, so NASA will use a Delta Heavy instead.
Work on Orion is apparently going well.

Redundancy is a good thing. The ISS was almost decrewed during the gap between shuttle and dragon, soyuz was grounded to investigate a problem. When Spacelab was decrewed during the gap between apollo and shuttle, a solar storm caused its orbit to decay faster than expected and it was lost.

There will be four capsules capable of getting people to L2 and back: Orion, Dragon, Soyuz, and Shenzou (or whatever its successor is called). But not the current models of Dragon, Soyuz, Shenzou, they all need bigger heat shields to survive high-speed re-entry from L2, extra radiation shielding, etc. Russia is building a lunar-qualified soyuz for a Space Adventures lunar flyby in 2017.

China wants to build a moonbase, but they would really like to do it as an international partnership.
There's a lot of interest in that, as well as bringing China in as an international partner on the ISS and other projects.

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Response to bananas (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:54 PM

32. Dragon can easily survive reentry from L2.

PICA-X: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenolic_impregnated_carbon_ablator#PICA

It could probably survive reentry from Mars.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:51 PM

56. Thanks, they still need a launch-abort-system before they take anyone anywhere...

and their launch-abort-system doubles as retro-rocket landing on earth, mars, moon, ...

Elon Musk said their heat shield can survive off-nominal re-entry from Mars missions,
and hundreds of LEO re-entries.

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Response to bananas (Reply #56)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:19 PM

62. If they get propulsive landing down, I would love to see Red Dragon.

It'd be a low cost Mars sample return mission and it would prove Dragon's landing capability on Mars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dragon_(spacecraft)

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:51 PM

31. Private contractors are still building the Senate Launch System.

The greatest boondoggle since the Space Shuttle.

They get paid in a cost-plus manner though so there's a shit ton of graft.

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:17 AM

52. This is an international project, with components from Russia and other countries

Apparently there's a lot of spare parts from the ISS,
like a complete Russian module ready for launch.

I think this will help spread the costs so it's not all from NASA's budget.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:10 AM

17. Hmmmm. Is the asteroid in question "2007 PAS"?

Great news about the NASA project, but one wonders if introducing "2007 PAS" to the public is going to require a deft touch.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:26 AM

20. I think if they are going to spend the time and money to go there...

that they should start to build a base or at least starting bringing supplies for the future base.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:43 AM

21. Sounds like a logical next step.

Thanks for the thread, bananas.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:53 PM

23. Cue Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. "Deep space"?

Riiiiiiight.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:11 PM

24. But what about the aliens

who are mining there? Didn't they warn us not to come back?

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:38 PM

25. Kick (nt)

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:07 AM

26. Excellent news! I'm very glad to hear this!

It's time already! Not only for scientific purposes--for instance, to get an even clearer view of the universe (than Hubble) and to train and acclimatize astronauts and begin planning for human missions around the solar system, but also for the far (maybe not so far) future when earth's human population outstrips earth's resources and mass starvation and climate change disasters threaten the very continuance of our species.

We need to learn how to terraform planets and moons. We need to learn how to repair this planet. And we need to start planning orderly expansion of the human population to other habitats in the solar system. Really. Unless we prefer to die out like overcrowded rats in a cage, we need to actively and intelligently move outward. This is the practical side of the need for a new space program, but there is much more to it.

I read a lot of back and forth argumentation, not long ago, about moon station vs. manned mission to Mars, etc., but to my mind, the Moon station makes the most sense. It is in fact an important step toward a Mars mission. Those arguments were convincing.

Personally, I felt that there was something talisman-like--an extraordinarily auspicious omen--about the first human steps on the moon back in 1969. We are so small, though burgeoning with people and running out of space on our little speck of dust of a planet--and the universe is so mind-bogglingly BIG, that it is as if we were meant to "go there." I do not normally have such feelings and I don't normally credit such feelings--talismans, omens, hair-standing-up-on-the-back-of-my-neck auspiciousness--but I had that feeling about this matter: human space travel. We MUST "go there." It is something in our make-up--the adventurous spirit, the hunger to explore, to "see what's on the other side of the mountain." It is so-o-o-o-o human! Studying the human treks out of Africa to all over the world, at the beginning of the human story, it's clear that this hunger is written in our DNA.

Somehow our questing spirit got held back and grievously frustrated after 1969. We should have done this--set up a station on the moon--long ago. It should have happened in the 1970s! But our war machine was too busy slaughtering 2 million Southeast Asians and over 55,000 U.S. soldiers...for what? For war profiteers! And our Texas oil men were too busy trying to figure out how to hijack our war machine to their purposes. And the rich were too busy becoming uber-rich at the expense of the poor. And on and on. A bankrupt democracy. A failed democracy, only too well illustrated over the last decade. A democracy incapable to feeding the human spirit!

This iffy story about a new moon venture sparks that feeling in me again: Yes! YES! We must "go there"! To be ourselves, we must "go there"! As Americans, who once had a sort of hyper-drive of adventurousness, that got twisted and horribly distorted into war and hatred and paranoia, we may recover who we are and BE who we are--not just in science and space travel, but also in progressive social policies, democracy and good will.

The two go together: a better, more just country, with responsive government and visionary leaders AND space exploration as the inspirer of science and education and source of lost self-esteem among our people.

Those who say "health care first" miss an essential point: the need to "hammer swords into plowshares" in a way that inspires everybody.

This is not a contest between health care and space travel. To change the political atmosphere and create a prosperous and joyful country, social justice measures and a positive national purpose need to proceed together, the one feeding the other. Otherwise, we will be stuck forever in this insane argument about "austerity." You defeat "austerity" and Ayn Rand/Koch Brothers poison by creating an alternative purpose to becoming uber rich and bullying the world.

A purpose for kids. A purpose for students. A purpose for workers in all fields. A purpose for small business, for decent corporations, for conservatives and liberals, for military personnel and peace activists, for dreamy people and practical people, for engineering geniuses and artists and for the "mom and pop" grocery store/deli owners on the corner--a focusing purpose for ALL, something we can ALL be proud of. A purpose to bring us together.

TOGETHER we can ALL see the need for decent health care. TOGETHER we can ALL see the need for a topnotch public education system. HOW can we be brought together? With a collective and highly inspiring purpose: to leave our cradle, earth, and venture into the big, big, big, BIG universe that is "out there."

I don't buy the argument that "we can't afford it" or that we should feed people--or provide decent medical care--instead of exploring the universe. The two things are joined. That's why JFK really started it all. That's why Caltech types (I have a number of them in my family) were thrilled by the idea of going to the moon and came together in such amazing, selfless working groups to perform miracles of engineering. It had little or nothing to do with Russia or the "space race" and everything to do with wonder and with HOPE--hope for a better country and a better world.

Come together in common purpose, with a shared dream, and miracles become possible all over the social and political landscape. We saw a number of those dreams come true in the 1960s era or originating from that era--civil rights for black Americans, women's rights, gay rights, Medicare, the environmental movement, the organic food movement--and I don't think it's a coincidence that that inspiring era of social progress exactly corresponds with the decade of development of the space program that ended in the moon walks.

That's history. That's the precedent--that the moon walks unleashed our people's creativity in all spheres. Or was it the other way around? Hard to say. What is certain is that, in that era, these two positive developments--moon walks and social progress--were intertwined.

This is now. Now can be even more creative and visionary, despite--or maybe because of--grave setbacks (lessons learned). But we need a spark. We need a common purpose. We need stimulation of that adventurous loop in our DNA. Humans inhabiting the moon or in a space habitat near the moon, looking outward and planning and executing insanely difficult voyages--that's the ticket!

Mobilize our people around this inspiring adventure and they will not think twice about the need for all the rest: educated, healthy people in a fair and just society, to, one day, inhabit the stars.

BIG PICTURE politics! I long for it. I hope we get it. I hope I see it again in my lifetime.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:05 PM

28. Yes - Earthrise has been called "the most influential environmental photograph ever taken"

In Life's 100 Photographs that Changed the World, wilderness photographer Galen Rowell called Earthrise "the most influential environmental photograph ever taken." Another author called its appearance the beginning of the environmental movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthrise


In a 2008 book, “Earthrise: How Man First Saw the Earth,” Robert Poole contends that the picture was the spiritual nascence of the environmental movement, writing that “it is possible to see that Earthrise marked the tipping point, the moment when the sense of the space age flipped from what it meant for space to what it means for Earth.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/science/space/14mission.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:57 PM

29. Newt was skewered but we do need to build a moon base

America cannot afford to take the foot off the pedal of science. With research and exploration we will grow the economy. This is the basic "takeaway" of world history.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:49 PM

30. Its about damn time..nt

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:52 PM

33. How about we spend a little more time and money on saving the planet...

 

instead of on ways to leave it.

don't get me wrong- i'm all for unmanned space exploration- but we have much more pressing problems to figure out right here on terra.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:39 PM

34. ARE we "figuring them out right here on terra"? No.

Instead we're trying to figure out how to steal more oil, how to frak up the environment for coal, how to REDUCE the public education system, how to make people ignore climate change, how to do more evil of every kind to the earth and to people.

"We" meaning our transglobal corporate, bankster, war profiteer-controlled political establishment and their monopolistic media propagandists and their bought and paid for political operatives.

THEY are NOT trying "figure out" our most "pressing problems" "right here on terra" and thus, since they control national policy--with corporate-run 'TRADE SECRET' voting systems, billions in secret campaign donations, "revolving door" employment between government and corporate board rooms, filthy lobbying and other shackles on public policy--We, as a people, are PREVENTED from solving problems as the problems pile up into disasters.

This is VERY demoralizing to our people.

Our democracy is NOT working right. In fact, if it were, we would have put humans in a habitat on or near the moon long ago, and we may well have already sent humans to Mars. INSTEAD, look at the frigging WAR MACHINE that was just used to slaughter a hundred thousand people in the first weeks of "shock and awe" bombing to steal their oil!

ALL that money, ALL those resources, ALL that human energy should have gone into the space program--and DIDN'T! WHY? If we'd gone that way--outward to the solar system and the universe--there would be NO QUESTION about funding education and health care; there would be NO QUESTION about the rich looting the poor with "austerity." The rich would recognized as the selfish bastards that most of them are, who FAil to share in, and contribute to, the national vision.

The "national vision" has become money, money, money--getting rich, being powerful bullies, being self-indulgent morons. The environment be damned. The poor be damned. Working people be damned. Small business be damned. Public education be damned. The earth itself be damned. This is nuts--and it CAN be changed--as JFK and NASA engineers once had the notion of changing it: by focusing our country and our people on a higher goal of immense worthiness and human and especially scientific importance.

This is what we do best. It is our special gift as a people: engineering! And what have we used it for--drone bombers and drone spy planes! Frakking! GMO destruction of the food chain. Despoilation of the Gulf coast and other places to fuel the war machine. Transglobal transport of consumer goods to destroy our own manufacturing base and all our jobs. Destruction of every kind! Where do we see anything constructive being done with our engineering genius? We are mostly making weapons to keep the uber rich uber rich and are neglecting everything else. We can't even keep our roads in repair!

We need something to lift us out of this muck. A national mission to space could provide the inspiration we need, not only because it is immanently worthy but perhaps most of all because it includes everybody.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:54 PM

37. so that means that we should just give up on the planet and look for a new one?

 

It is going to be a VERY VERY LONG TIME before humans leave the solar system, if EVER. and none of the other planets in it will support human life, so this is the only planet we've got to work with. and the longer we wait to tackle our earthbound problems- the harder it's going to be. If there's a total environmental/economic/social breakdown- there won't be ANY space program in the dystopian world that results from it all.

there are PLENTY of BIG projects that could provide similar inspiration to the masses, while at the same time solving some our current and impending problems right here on earth.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:05 PM

40. The *only* people saying anything about "giving up on this planet and looking for a new one.."

..Are the people throwing that line around as some kind of idiotic straw man to attack space programs in general.

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #40)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:24 PM

42. like i said- i have no problem with unmanned space exploration...

 

but solving the impending MAJOR planet-bound problems facing us is much more important- saving civilization type important. and without a civilized planet- there won't be ANY space program.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:16 PM

46. Except then we compare NASA funding to that of other agencies

and your whole argument, every smallest jot amd tittle, completely falls apart.

Ever heard the phrase "barking up the wrong tree"? A dog is you.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:26 PM

47. how so?

 

Funding would have to be raised appreciably to conduct manned missions to mars- and that money would be much better spent on solving earthbound problems first.
Mars will always be there.
But if we don't get climate change under control- our species may not.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:55 PM

57. I'll let Neil deGrasse Tyson say it all for me

Pay particular attention to the 2:02 mark, even if you watch no other part of it.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:43 PM

35. Do you know what NASA's budget is? (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:55 PM

38. Not enough for manned missions to Mars.

 

and that's how it should stay.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:04 PM

39. So no, then? And the article isn't about Mars. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:19 PM

41. did i say that it was?

 

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:24 PM

43. Seeing as that's what your response was based around, uh, yes? (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:30 PM

45. perhaps you should work on better comprehension then.

 

get back to me when you do.

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:32 PM

63. Here's a chart of 50 years of NASA's budget vs 1 year of Pentagon spending:



This was from the Sagan Series Facebook page.

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #63)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:40 PM

64. Yep. And that's with the entire Apollo program included, too. (nt)

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:44 PM

49. Maybe this is a better scenario

 

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:57 PM

36. I hope it happens in my lifetime.

I remember seeing the moon landing live on TV. I had dreamed of that happening since I started reading sci-fi books in my teens. My mother said it would never happen. When that moon landing happened, I called her and said, "I told you so."

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:00 PM

50. About time


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Response to One_Life_To_Give (Reply #50)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:00 PM

51. Maybe it'll lead to this:



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Response to bananas (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:17 PM

53. I am sick of the fucking NASA haters that spam threads like this.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #53)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:39 PM

60. You said it.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:58 PM

58. And here's how they'll get there:

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #58)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:41 PM

61. The bottom caption on that is just amazing. (nt)

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