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Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:51 AM

On Fox News, a Mistrust of Pro-Obama Numbers Lasts Late Into the Night

Source: The New York Times

Karl Rove was incredulous. His colleagues at the Fox News decision desk had called Ohio for President Obama, a move he insisted just a few minutes earlier would be premature.

“We’ve got to be careful about calling this when we have 991 votes separating the candidates,” he scolded them. “I’d be very cautious about intruding into this process.”...

... And so ensued the most bizarre on-air encounter of election night: a network anchor interrogating Arnon Mishkin, a member of the Fox News decision team and a respected voting analyst, forcing him and a colleague to defend their news judgment against Mr. Rove, one of the most powerful Republican fund-raisers and strategists.

However odd, the exchange perfectly captured one of the persistent sources of strain between the media and Republicans throughout the presidential campaign. Ever skeptical of a media bias toward Democrats, conservatives complained repeatedly that polls this year were showing an erroneous and biased edge for Mr. Obama....


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/us/politics/web-sites-and-networks-focus-on-claims-of-fraud-and-intimidation.html?_r=0

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Reply On Fox News, a Mistrust of Pro-Obama Numbers Lasts Late Into the Night (Original post)
Indi Guy Nov 2012 OP
tblue Nov 2012 #1
Ghost Dog Nov 2012 #14
cprise Nov 2012 #2
calimary Nov 2012 #4
Divine Discontent Nov 2012 #3
AngryOldDem Nov 2012 #5
Indi Guy Nov 2012 #39
Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #6
AsahinaKimi Nov 2012 #7
HuskyOffset Nov 2012 #10
AsahinaKimi Nov 2012 #12
renate Nov 2012 #24
vduhr Nov 2012 #31
dotymed Nov 2012 #8
magical thyme Nov 2012 #11
VWolf Nov 2012 #13
magical thyme Nov 2012 #29
Indi Guy Nov 2012 #35
workinclasszero Nov 2012 #9
Indi Guy Nov 2012 #40
Indi Guy Nov 2012 #15
llmart Nov 2012 #16
go west young man Nov 2012 #18
caveat_imperator Nov 2012 #28
Indi Guy Nov 2012 #42
DCBob Nov 2012 #17
1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #19
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #41
66 dmhlt Nov 2012 #20
Texin Nov 2012 #21
relayerbob Nov 2012 #22
JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #23
joanbarnes Nov 2012 #25
LiberalLovinLug Nov 2012 #30
cynzke Nov 2012 #26
Hayabusa Nov 2012 #27
TrogL Nov 2012 #34
goclark Nov 2012 #32
rwsanders Nov 2012 #33
olddad56 Nov 2012 #36
grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #37
sakabatou Nov 2012 #38

Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:54 AM

1. Rove: “I’d be very cautious about intruding into this process.”

You? HANH?! Yeah right. Never.

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Response to tblue (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:18 AM

14. Very cautious... Mustn't get caught red-handed...

But this guy looks very much like the Intruder-in-Chief to my eye. n/t

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:17 AM

2. Alas, the jowels of steel could not save the day...

LOL!!!!

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Response to cprise (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:37 AM

4. Nor could all the king's horses and all the king's men.

Not even Rafalca!

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:22 AM

3. Fox and all their talking heads we can't stand got it wrong, there's a surprise - what's funny is

that they called Ohio for Rmoney... how embarrassing! They're so incompetent. Always have been...

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:37 AM

5. They remind me of a kid playing with wooden shapes...

...he'll sit there forever trying to ram the square peg through the round hole and won't admit that it ain't ever gonna work.

Kind of like Fox and the conservatives' view of reality.

(And by the way, only in Fox's world could someone like Karl Rove do Election Night network commentary.)

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:59 PM

39. And when force refuses to work...

...they feel the answer is to use a bigger hammer.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:09 AM

6. "You said it was a sure thing" Billionaire Boys Club to Rove

 

I can only imagine what the billionaires are thinking this morning. Not to mention the R.A.T.S. + K. Citizens United five. They must have the feeling of being doomed. May Scalia, Kennedy and Thomas jump as soon as possible. All of them.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:45 AM

7. Now that the election is over..

Fox will probably ramp up its hate machine..

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 07:58 AM

10. "probably"?

i'm no Nate Silver, but I think we can nudge that call from "probable" to "certain", don't you think? I mean, the statistical probability of Fox News suddenly changing their corporate DNA and behaving in a reasonable way towards President Obama is what mathematicians call "vanishingly small", I think. Math & statistics geeks, help me out here, amirite?

As a Wisconsinite, my only regret this morning is that Paul Ryan kept his seat in the House. So happy and proud of all the people in Wisconsin who worked so very hard to re-elect President Obama and send other Dems to Washington to help him keep this country moving forward. Huge thanks to everyone who worked so very hard so that the rest of us could wake up this morning and feel that the batcrap crazy segment of the Republican party, most notably in the form of Bachmann and West, has been reduced. Thank you to everyone who got out and voted, especially those who had to stand in line to have their voice heard.

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Response to HuskyOffset (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:01 AM

12. so when ...

do you think, will you be able to fire Scott Walker? I would think he would be the very first to go!

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Response to HuskyOffset (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:23 AM

24. welcome to DU!

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:13 PM

31. They should keep up the good work.....

it's served them so well.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 07:13 AM

8. KKKarl Rove (yech)

The same slime thug that worked for w when he called brother Jeb in Florida when Florida was (correctly) called for Gore. Within minutes after that (organized crime) call to Jeb (in 2000), florida was deemed "too close to call. Then the "brooks brothers mafia" was sent to Florida to ensure that the votes were not counted. Their organized crime partners, led by SCOTUS "justice Scalia" then appointed a total idiot as our President. It is not too late to look backward and prosecute these criminals. President Obama doesn't have to worry about the blow back for his re-election now....please, lets clean-up politics, voting, citizens united (the SCOTUS criminals) and move to universal heath care. I am counting on you President Obama to become the man that candidate Obama was in 2008. I love ya and you can do this.

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Response to dotymed (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 07:59 AM

11. I was so afraid they were going to try to pull the same shit....

Ohio and Florida. Too close to call. Have to recount. Can't recount. The murkin peeples need their answer now. Enter the SC.

...and then suddenly more states were called for the the Prez, and suddenly he didn't need Ohio OR Florida! And it was SO OVER!!!!!!!!

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:17 AM

13. Not this time around.

The Obama campaign was on it from the start. I heard they had 2,500 lawyers on the ground to protect against all that shit.

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Response to VWolf (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:43 PM

29. Oh, I knew this time they wouldn't get away with it

but feared they'd drag it out trying.

I wasn't sure if Romney was writing his concession or refusing to concede. Then Rove started his babbling about too early to call.

But then the Prez was over 270 without Florida or Ohio added in....and any crap they may have tried to pull ended right then and there.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:26 PM

35. And hopefully this will be a lesson for future would-be election thieves...

...Don't game the system unless you're prepared to experience public ridicule, or worse.

Personally, I think there should be a targetted investigation by the DOJ into the attempt to steal the Ohio vote. At best this will expose the actions of, and bring to justice Karl and his cronies; and at the least, it will greatly discourage anyone from engaging in these kind of criminal shenanigans in the first place.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 07:36 AM

9. Rove and the thug party hate math

And science in general. Bunch of Luddite, flat earther,birther jackasses!

I mean their pathetic party is run by that pig, Rush Limbaugh! What a fu***n joke!

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:36 PM

40. I wish you'd get off the fence and...

...learn how to express your true feelings.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:12 AM

15. Here's some video of the event...

...pretty unusual & entertaining:

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Response to Indi Guy (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:24 AM

16. Nice smack down of Rove.....

by Faux News no less.

LOLOLOLOLOL

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Response to Indi Guy (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:07 AM

18. Karl must of been waiting for his software patch to kick in.

But maybe the Ohio Secretary of State got cold feet realizing it was a done deal nationwide.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:11 PM

28. I think his 'patch' was working.

But karl badly overestimated turnout for rmoney and the program was just overwhelmed by votes for Obama.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:36 AM

42. You may be right.

But maybe Husted got cold feet because his illegal patch was reported in the media. Either way, it looked like Rove didn't get the memo.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:29 AM

17. Some in the RW will no doubt try to blame the media for calling the states too early..

which suppressed the vote and helped Obama win. Morons.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:11 AM

19. I guess this proves, once again, ...

empirical evidence trumps ideological emotional.

When one starts by trying to force the numbers to support one's ideology one usually gets it wrong.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:22 PM

41. exactly...

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:43 AM

20. Pres. Obama Responds to Faux News' Major "Sad"

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:53 AM

21. Guess KKKarl's patch failed

... but they said it was last minute and 'untested'.

I hope this means this Frankenfreak's influence is over in this country. Maybe he can go run some banana republic somewhere else now. How 'bout the Caymans? Say howdy to Ken Lay for me.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:02 AM

22. Watching Rove was like watching a fish salmon being thrown onto hot pavement

Hysterical!

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:15 AM

23. Freepers were saying they won't watch Fox anymore last night.

What's left? Do they think Rush Limbaugh has a news show?

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:40 AM

25. TurdBlossom can't believe his 'fix' didn't work.

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Response to joanbarnes (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:05 PM

30. That's how he acted

Maybe Anonymous WAS working in the background thwarting every cyber act of malfeasance.

Or maybe Rove and Co. had their own technical problems which stalled their nefarious efforts.

Or maybe they switched what they THOUGHT was enough votes, but they miscalculated just how many more votes the President would receive.

Either way, those billionaires who gave millions that were promised the black mans head on a platter are going to be none to pleased with that greasy little pig

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:42 AM

26. CNN Birther Moment!

The big news this morning is about Carl Rove and Fox news, but did anyone see CNN when they called Ohio for Obama? Last night I mainly watched the election coverage on MSNBC, but would switch over to Fox and CNN occasionally. Just after MSNBC called Ohio for Obama, I switched over to CNN. They were lagging re Ohio but called it about two or three minutes later. AND, they followed with shots of various crowds reacting to that call. CNN showed the crowds in the arena in Chicago, in Time Square, outside the White House and about a 5 second camera shot of a crowd in OMG...KENYA!!! What the hell! Even Fox News wasn't sinking that low!

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:54 AM

27. I watched this last night as it aired

and it was certainly worth the price of admission for watching Fox News. I was watching hoping for a meltdown and I certainly got one!

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Response to Hayabusa (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:21 PM

34. I was watching CBS - they seemed almost bored

Or maybe I've been watching too many perky local announcers. I'm sure the wording was slightly different, but it sounded like...

"Oh, by the way, we're declaring Obama has won the election", then everybody sat around gobsmacked looking

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:28 PM

32. alternate universe

for kkkKarl

Hello...suppressing thousands of votes and My president still outslicked you!


Ms.goclarkOBAMA!!!!

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:42 PM

33. Maybe FOX should just tell their viewers that Romney won, they'll never know the difference.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:45 PM

36. Karl Rove is such a poster boy for the Bush Crime family that any association to him ..

will cost a candidate his credibility among many undecided voters across the country.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:01 PM

37. Yeah, cuz Rove just bilked a bunch of billionairres out of a billion dollars, and

my guess is, they won't be happy.....

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:10 PM

38. Of coure they would. It's Fox "News"

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