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KANTANA

(32 posts)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:19 AM Nov 2012

Romney Haunted By Missing Tax Returns As Campaign Draws To Close

Source: Huffington Post.

I have said that Romney is worst person ever nominated for office. It is like nominating AL CAPONE in the 20's or 30's to run for President. How Romney is even competitive in this election is a big mistery for me. I cannot understand it.
How any patriotic American will vote for Romney is an embarrasement to say the least.
Please do take time to read the story.
Thanks

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Romney Haunted By Missing Tax Returns As Campaign Draws To Close (Original Post) KANTANA Nov 2012 OP
I get no emails from my Republican MIL about that panAmerican Nov 2012 #1
I'm more interested in Romney's tax info oldbanjo Nov 2012 #11
Well on Morning Joe Dan Rather said bkkyosemite Nov 2012 #2
Rather was horrible last night on Rachel's show. Everything he said was not only untrue about Obama, Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #6
I do not understand why Rachel has him on. He's as clueless as Bob Schieffer. flpoljunkie Nov 2012 #8
pity, maybe, b/c Rather's out of a job & getting old? He used to be good wordpix Nov 2012 #21
"How rMoney is even competitive..." Wednesdays Nov 2012 #3
Next slogan for Dems should be, "It's the education, stupid" wordpix Nov 2012 #23
No one votes for Romney. They are all voting against Obama. Kablooie Nov 2012 #4
Two Words: Citizens United! That's why it's close!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #5
Ditto! SoapBox Nov 2012 #22
"How Romney is even competitive in this election is a big mistery for me." Really?? retread Nov 2012 #7
People in my area of California are not voting for Romney. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #13
He must not be haunted enough liberal N proud Nov 2012 #9
The preachers and the NRA want Romney to win, oldbanjo Nov 2012 #10
I remember when the first President Bush...... llmart Nov 2012 #14
I'm a gun owner myself mreilly Nov 2012 #17
Mittwitt taxivader fuckwad "told you all you fucking need to know now get over it!" Felon! lonestarnot Nov 2012 #12
Shameful malexand Nov 2012 #15
It's not their problem; it's their plan. Jakes Progress Nov 2012 #16
Exactly! CindyinIndy Nov 2012 #26
FWIW - this is analysis rather than "news" brooklynite Nov 2012 #18
I think by not showing his taxes he lost a lot of votes. oldbanjo Nov 2012 #24
Sorry, Al Capone could only have run in 1936, he was to young before then happyslug Nov 2012 #19
Remember, Queen Ann said "You people" would just cause us more trouble if we released them' FailureToCommunicate Nov 2012 #20
Could you imagine if regular Americans just stopped filing Historic NY Nov 2012 #25
I enjoyed this article and it was a reminder how indeed he did get away with minimal returns Shilo Nov 2012 #27

panAmerican

(1,206 posts)
1. I get no emails from my Republican MIL about that
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:31 AM
Nov 2012

But she is plenty curious about Obama's school records, passports etc.

oldbanjo

(690 posts)
11. I'm more interested in Romney's tax info
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:39 AM
Nov 2012

than Obama's school records or passport, these people are stupid. Looking at one of Romney's kids makes me wonder if he isn't Mexican, or maybe his gardener is.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
2. Well on Morning Joe Dan Rather said
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:43 AM
Nov 2012

that his gut says Romney will win and that Romney and Obama are too very nice guys, good people. Romney is a liar, a tax evader, a liar and a liar who thinks along with his wife that "those people" are somehow less than him and Queen Ann. How can Rather sit there and say what a nice guy Romney is when he is the biggest full of crap liar I have ever seen and only cares about his money and his elevator

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
6. Rather was horrible last night on Rachel's show. Everything he said was not only untrue about Obama,
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:41 AM
Nov 2012

he seemed to be pushing the narrative that Romney will win. Now I see why Rather got fired.

Wednesdays

(17,342 posts)
3. "How rMoney is even competitive..."
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:17 AM
Nov 2012

It's no mystery. Just turn on the radio on the A.M. dial. Or watch a couple minutes of Fox News on TV. Ever hear of Ann Coulter? Joe Scarborough? Michelle Malkin? Pat Robertson?

Like I said, it's no mystery.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
23. Next slogan for Dems should be, "It's the education, stupid"
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:10 AM
Nov 2012

That so many are getting their info from the likes of idiots Limpballs, Coulter & the Faux News crew just points to the lack of good pre-adult education in this country. Anyone who's reasonably well educated knows one needs to read, listen to, and view a variety of sources to get a full picture of political issues and candidates for office. But rich R's have it figured out with their Faux propaganda machine: get numerous stoopids who are poorly educated to vote for the Party of the Rich by playing on their fears, Xtian anti-abortion, anti-gay values, and downright lying to them about Obama/Dems, while hiding their own Repug tax and voting records in Congress and their states.

I hope these repukes go down BIG today but if they don't, we have the educational system to blame and need to do something about it in every school district in this country.

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
4. No one votes for Romney. They are all voting against Obama.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:33 AM
Nov 2012

If the GOP put up Charles Manson as their candidate he would get a large percentage of the Republican votes this election.

I just wish Herman Cain had won.
I don't care how supportive they seemed during the primaries.
If the Republicans had to choose between two black men for president their heads would REALLY explode.


JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. People in my area of California are not voting for Romney.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:47 AM
Nov 2012

And they are going to be furious if he wins. He might as well not be running in the area where I live. It's thumbs up for Obama everywhere.

My neighbors all see through Romney.

May I point out if you are talking to Fox News repeaters today, the "income tax" is just that, a tax on income, not on people. That's why the rich are supposed to pay much more per person than the middle class or poor. It is not a tax on them personally. It is a tax on their income.


Amendment XVI

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxvi

If it isn't clear enough when it grants to Congress the "power to lay and collect taxes on incomes," that part about "without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration," makes it very clear that our Congress has the power to impose taxes not per person but per how much income you make. That is what authorizes Congress to impose progressive taxes, i.e., higher taxes on higher incomes and lower to no taxes on lower incomes.

Also from the Cornell website:

income tax law: an overview

In 1913, the Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was ratified. It empowered Congress to tax "incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." The Internal Revenue Code is today embodied as Title 26 of the United States Code (26 U.S.C.) and is a lineal descendant of the income tax act passed in 1913, following ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment. While some states do not have an income tax (Nevada), all residents and all citizens of the United States are subject to the federal income tax. Not everyone, however, must file a return. The requirements for filing are found in 26 U.S.C. § 6011. As the largest contributor, its purpose is to generate revenue for the federal budget. In 1985 for example, the government collected over $450 billion in income tax from a total of $742 billion in total internal revenue receipts. The funds collected are essential for the shaping and preservation of a free market economy.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/income_tax

More about the history of progressive taxes:

The earliest known application of progressive taxation took place in Great Britain in the 14th century.[13] In the United States, the first progressive income tax was established by the Revenue Act of 1862, which was signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln and repealed the short-lived flat tax contained in the Revenue Act of 1861.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_tax

Republicans like to take credit for President Lincoln's other contributions to our history and law. Seems to me they should love equal rights AND PROGRESSIVE TAXATION. Or do they not like President Lincoln as much as they sometimes claim?

If you need to explain why we have progressive taxes, here are some blogs that might give you good ideas.

http://lanekenworthy.net/2011/04/02/are-progressive-income-taxes-fair/

And more good explanations:

Efficiency. What is the optimal amount of public goods and services the government should provide? If the government creates a rule that says everyone must pay an equal share of their income, revenue will be restricted to the rate that the lowest earning workers can afford to pay.

Consider the case of a married couple with drastically different earnings. One spouse earns $40,000 per year, while the other earns $400,000 a year. If the couple goes Dutch, they will restrict their shared consumption. However, if the couple adopts a rule that the higher earning spouse pays more, then they can enjoy a higher level of shared consumption. This means they will consume a better house, better car, and better lifestyle.

Happiness. Advocates of progressive taxation often say “Rich people can afford to pay more.” What they really mean is that $100 means more to a person making $5,000 a year than it does to a person making $500,000 a year. This means that allowing poor people to keep a larger share of their income will result in a happier society than making everyone pay the same rate.

Justice. If people deserved most of their income, there would be a good case that they should be able to keep it. However, people don’t morally deserve their income because almost everyone’s income results largely from factors beyond their control. For example, the poorest Americans are richer in absolute terms than the richest Indians. This isn’t because Americans are that much more hardworking than Indians, but because Americans have access to a superb set of institutions and a grand scale of specialization and trade within our borders.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/3150/three-simple-reasons-why-we-need-progressive-tax-rates

Bill Gates, for example, earned his money as the organizer and pioneer of Microsoft. He made a big contribution to our country and to our culture. We want to encourage him and other who are creative like him. But . . . . Bill Gates built on knowledge and skills and information that were already available in our society. He used all that to create a company that could make products that were useful to all of us. But so much of the groundwork on computers that led to personal computers and the kinds of user-friendly systems we enjoy was done long before Bill Gates was born. Gates did not pay for the legacy he received from those who had developed the basic concept of the computer. He got that for free, and he also got a society that was peaceful and in which he could sell his ideas for free. When he pays taxes on his money, he helps insure that the society in which he can continue to make money survives.

Mitt Romney -- avoided military service in a time of war (although he "supported" the war) and did not pay his fair share of taxes. What kind of president do you think he would make? Not a good one. That's my opinion.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
9. He must not be haunted enough
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:55 AM
Nov 2012

Or the media would still be all over this like flies on shit.

I guarantee if it were a Democrat that had not provide tax returns, they would have been airing 24/7 demanding they release their taxes.

oldbanjo

(690 posts)
10. The preachers and the NRA want Romney to win,
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:32 AM
Nov 2012

I belong to the NRA until Feb 2013 then I'm thru with them. Their Mag is full of lies about Obama every month. A lot of gun owners will vote like NRA says to, I voted for Obama. My family, grand children and the retired and the poor are more important than that gun shit. I am retired, Have health ins and medicare and a Gov pension, most of this will not affect me but if Romney gets in it will effect my family grand children and many other poor and retired people on SS. I'm not on SS. How anyone would vote for Romney I'll never knew.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
14. I remember when the first President Bush......
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:51 AM
Nov 2012

publicly denounced the NRA and gave up his NRA lifetime membership because of them calling federal agents jackbooted thugs (I think that's what they were called).

It was the only thing I commended him on during his presidency.

 

mreilly

(2,120 posts)
17. I'm a gun owner myself
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:23 AM
Nov 2012

... and got into it this year. While I've been pleasantly surprised by my discovery that many fellow gun owners (like you I presume) are sensible and have their heads grounded in reality, there's also that contingent of delusional whack jobs whom you describe who keep spouting BS about Obama coming to take away their guns, the UN is going to step in and dominate the country, etc. Never any actual instance of anything that's been done or will be done; only a lot of fear-mongering, hand-wringing and "what if?" conjecture.

It's fine if people want to believe in fairy tales - unless that belief adversely impacts me. I DO blame these nuts for tying up the gun permit process I was involved in this year to get my concealed carry license. It took me six months, largely in part to these loonies. Myself, I just wanted to finally get around to buying a gun and going target shooting since I love that stuff. These sheep are also the reason gun and ammo prices in my state are inflated, lines in some of the stores have been long, etc. Obama isn't going to do shit about guns, but these dopes have bought into it which means they're in the way when legitimate reasonable gun owners like me visit the stores, the ranges, or get involved in the permit application process.

malexand

(59 posts)
15. Shameful
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:01 AM
Nov 2012

When I sold my business 6 years ago, I provided more financial information to the buyer and IRS then Willard provided to the American public in order to run for the Presidency.

The entire GOP is a disgrace. From their "do nothing" members of Congress pledge to the racist neanderthals that ran for the Republican nomination (Cain, Gingrich, Paul, Perry, Willard, et al.), it is sad indeed that, similar to the McCain-Palin crowd in 2008, they will make up nearly half of the electorate.

Hello America? Wake up. Give a shit. Care about our future.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
16. It's not their problem; it's their plan.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:03 AM
Nov 2012

tea party leaders knew mitt was crooked and could be convicted. So they put their guy, paulie, in as VP. He could never be elected president, but they hope to steal and alter enough ballots to get mittie elected, then prosecuted. Then they see paulie in the Oval.

Sure, kind of tin-hattish. But if it comes down this way, don't I look smart.

brooklynite

(94,495 posts)
18. FWIW - this is analysis rather than "news"
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:27 AM
Nov 2012

I'm not sure anyone actually made a voting choice based on his lack of transparency; far more likely they voted based on his income level and detachment from ordinary people.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
19. Sorry, Al Capone could only have run in 1936, he was to young before then
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:35 AM
Nov 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone

Remember you have to be at least 35 years of age, Capone did NOT turn 35 till he was in Atlanta Federal Prison (He was only transferred to Alcatraz on August 11, 1934, he turned 35 in January 1934) . In the Movies he is always shown to be middle age, but he was a young man when he was on top in the 1920s, just four years older Elliot Ness of the Untouchables.

More on Elliott Ness:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Ness

Sorry, Al could NOT have run for President till 1936 (Just four years before the Syphilis he had would lead to insanity) and by 1936 he was already on the "Government Dime".

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
25. Could you imagine if regular Americans just stopped filing
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:01 PM
Nov 2012

and then hid under an exemption for a church.

Shilo

(101 posts)
27. I enjoyed this article and it was a reminder how indeed he did get away with minimal returns
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:20 PM
Nov 2012

think that would have been acceptable for Obama in 08---I don't think so!

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