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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:43 PM

Why Was Uncertified 'Experimental' Software Just Installed on Vote Tabulation Systems in OH?

Source: BRAD BLOG



Why Was Uncertified 'Experimental' Software Installed on ES&S Tabulation Systems in 39 OH Counties Just Days Before Presidential Election?

Last week, Bob Fitrakis and Gerry Bello at FreePress.org reported an important story concerning what they described as "uncertified 'experimental' software patches" being installed at the last minute on electronic vote tabulation systems in 39 Ohio counties.

The story included a copy of the contract between Republican Ohio Sec. of State Jon Husted's office and ES&S, the nation's largest e-voting system manufacturer, for a new, last minute piece of software created to the custom specifications of the Sec. of State. The contract itself describes the software as "High-level enhancements to ES&S' election reporting software that extend beyond the current features and functionality of the software to facilitate a custom-developed State Election Results Reporting File."

Fitrakis and his attorney Cliff Arnebeck are filing a lawsuit for an immediate injunction against Husted and ES&S to "halt the use of secretly installed, unauthorized 'experimental' software in 39 counties' tabulators".

Since the story initially broke, I've been trying to learn as much as I could about what is actually going on here. During that time, a few in the mainstream media have gotten wind of the story as well, including NBC News and CNN, and have been able to press Husted and other officials in his office into finally responding to the concerns publicly. The Ohio officials have attempted to downplay the concerns, though in doing so, they appear to have given misleading information which, at times, seems to conflict even with the contract itself…

FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9698


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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:44 PM

1. This fucker and his crime boss belong behind bars!

This is TREASON!

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:44 PM

49. +1. You know, you really just can not EVER trust them

to do what's right. Dammit.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:46 PM

2. Anonymous hackers, r u there?Please expose these crooks.They should be locked up for 5 yrs at least

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Response to judesedit (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:08 PM

9. Anonymous already knows about this

Expect them.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:25 PM

16. Do you know if

the comment Anonymous made towards Rove was related to this?

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:54 PM

27. Pretty sure it was

very specifically about this.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:10 PM

33. Freepress.org got the information about

the "Experimental patches" from Wikileaks.. so I was wondering what else they know. Props for Leaks..

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:57 PM

28. The universe should kindly arrange for Rove to disappear

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:27 PM

41. What comment? n/t

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:36 PM

43. Anonyumous released a video

last week, warning Karl Rove about tampering with votes.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:37 PM

46. I bet Anonymous has the hacker talent to figure out those

experimental patches

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:50 PM

53. I'm sure they do

But on huffpo, there is a story about Anonymous hacking 28k paypal passwords.
Which I find puzzling.
If that is true, what purpose does it serve?

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #53)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:51 PM

54. Hmm. That's bad news

I guess they like to show their power in the guise of showing holes in security, I had better check my paypal acct!

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #54)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:57 PM

56. And you would be prudent to do so.

I will check mine today as well.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:15 PM

83. It doesn't take much talent to figure out

a Microsoft SQL database, and how to use Wireshark.
Documentation for both of these is all over the 'Net.
As far as decrypting encrypted transmissions, that is also all over the 'Net.
A high school kid could figure it out!

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #83)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:47 PM

85. What's wireshark?

Can it "vote flip"?

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #85)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:35 PM

86. Wireshark is a network protocol analyzer, and packet capturing software.

Every hacker worth his or her salt knows about this. Useful for man-in-the-middle attacks, sniffing data over wired and wireless networks, and a whole lot of other neat stuff.
More about it here: http://www.wireshark.org/

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #86)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:09 PM

89. None of this seems to add up to vote flipping capability

My theory is that they need to know very quickly, at a granular level, how the vote is stacking up so they can use more direct methods of cheating with the people at the polls. This way they can cover their tracks, but do you think any of this could impact totals? I guess the other issue is if each polling station gets the totals before the SOS or rather separately from the SOS

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:49 PM

3. Hey, Jon, if you can't win, go back to what you do best. Cheat.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:01 PM

57. Would they really ignore the will of the people and steal the election?

Obviously, we know the answer is yes. Harris in FL, 2000. Blackwell in OH, 2004. Two Republican SoS's who did really dirty shit to tilt the election. I think the Justice Dept/FEC need to see the full details of any patches placed. Who knows, perhaps the White House knows exactly what's going on... but I don't want this to be a "why didn't they do something before this happened?" situation, since they know beforehand, whereas 2000 we didn't know that the voting recount was going to be stopped, and that in Ohio 2004, the votes would be sent through a company's server that housed the RNC's email/website. I think every election in the USA needs to be transparent and the same - this has to be solved. If we get stuck with Mittens, I fear for the lives of thousands of disabled and elderly who will see their coverage slashed, and when their vouchers run out, told to go home to die with dignity. It's not absurd to believe that's what will happen, unless you want to go to an ER to die, since Mittens thinks that's a great form of healthcare...

sigh...

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:56 PM

4. I'M TELLING YOU...THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS ASLEEP WHILE THE GOP IS STUFFING THE BALLOT BOX.....

 

Ohio is their only chance. the democratic party is blowing it....blowing it.

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Response to swayne (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:00 PM

6. In the back of my mind...I worry about this...

but, hopefully, HOPFULLY the OFA and the lawyers are watching this like crazy.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:10 PM

10. You can't "watch" what goes on inside a black box...

...No matter how much the DNC and OFA love to tell you they will have "thousands of attorneys on the ground watching everything".

They have been saying that publicly for years, and it is always nonsense.

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Response to BradBlog (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:23 PM

15. No...I don't expect any OFA folks or lawyers to be "watching" inside the black boxes tomorrow...

BUT, just say'n.

I, as a lowly citizen of America, can't do anything to correct or inspect or etc., etc., etc. with those machines.

I just hope (!!!!!!) that, if push comes to shove, that SOMEONE with enough money, power, authority, etc. will delve into
this, sue and/or launch massive investigation.

That's the best that I've got.

I'm sure that many of us here, are wanting to hear, what the answer then is to the "nonsense".

The answer is?

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:35 PM

93. The votes will just go poof, never enter the box, never recorded. Hard to trace that. This again is

 

according to Greg Palast.

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Response to swayne (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:05 PM

8. but but but little debbie wasserman-schultz says election stealing is better left to the conspiracy

theorists

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:51 PM

25. So do a lot of short-sighted folks here at DU

I've read quite a bit of that.

And agrued with it.

But didn't make a dent.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:47 PM

88. Hacking Democracy. Have you seen it?

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:11 PM

35. I think DWS is underappreciated.

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Response to 12AngryBorneoWildmen (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:08 PM

60. i think dws under-appreciates the depth to which the republicans will go to steal the election. if

she keeps scoffing at her dems she will be even less appreciated.

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:46 PM

50. Did she really say that????

OMG.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #50)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:04 PM

58. she was on stephanie miller's show and steph asked her about election rigging and dws chuckled when

she said "we'll leave the conspiracy theories to others"

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #58)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:30 PM

65. Remember this everyone: Bad people NEVER get together and make plans

Only the most laughable kind of idiot would think they did!

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Response to swayne (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:31 PM

92. According to Greg Palast, the Democratic Party knew of fraud in the last election

 

but was not in a big hurry to do anything about it. Knowing all this, why are they sitting on this information again, makes me wonder.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:57 PM

5. I'll tell you why

Because the Dems haven't done a thing about it in the 8 years since it was revealed.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:15 PM

11. and will not do anything about in the NEXT 8 years for that matter nt

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:04 PM

7. What an absolutely heinous crime it is, to deliberately subvert democracy.

Especially on this scale.

Disgusting.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:17 PM

12. glad to hear they are filing a suit

brad

"last minute experimental patches" oh yeah

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:12 PM

36. Hi mg turns out that the freepress.org

couldn't get the information about the Experimental Patches from the FOIA freedom of info act ... so they got it from Wikileaks! The person who posts from freepress.org here mentioned this, whew, let's hope it's nothing but I think it is because the same thing was done with Diebold with the last minute patches, and the person who installed them died when his house mysteriously burned down, yikes.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:42 PM

48. thanks fld

yeah this makes me more than a little worried and suspicious...."the ends justify the means"...

Last minute patches that nobody can get any info about?

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:21 PM

64. me too

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Response to BetsysGhost (Reply #64)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:33 PM

67. welcome to DU BetsysGhost



I see were on the same wave here...

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:17 PM

13. I can't get inside these machines, but I can KnR!

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:22 PM

14. Could it be any more blatant?

"Experimental", unverified software installed right before the election? And in OH?
If ES&S wants to test software during an election, let them do it in Wyoming or Utah.

Go get 'em Bob Fitrakis and you too, Brad!

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:26 PM

17. Are there any updates about the Injunction sought for those machines?

Any legal involvement beyond the Freepress.org team?

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:27 PM

18. Red the whole thing. Deeply troubling.

If things look fishy in Ohio, I sure hope Obama doesn't follow Kerry's path.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:29 PM

19. k and r

lyting thieving Republican scuzzbucketry

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:34 PM

20. K&R for highly detailed work, hyperlinked for your drill-down.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:35 PM

21. I think that I'm beginning to despise Husted.

And I mean, really, REALLY, loathe him with every fiber of my being. I can forgive pretty much anyone for almost anything nowadays - but deliberately trying to rig an election?

No. Assuming everything in the article is true, lock this traitor up forever. NO PAROLE.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:35 PM

22. Countering Husted's Claim of REPORTING software separate from COUNTING software

 

this is clearly not true.

inside an ES&S and Diebold machine they both share 1 vendor imark who used a Microsoft Access Database (called jetdirect I believe), to hold the vote data. This same database is what is used to report from.
imark is the vendor that both firms use and this software is all one big happy 'riggable' mess.

flipping a vote is as easy as turning something from a 0 to a 1.

the reporting could likewise be written to read the opposite of everything, so obama votes could be counted as romney votes.

lest we forget.. the only true election system is one where

"hand counted paper ballots are counted IN FULL CITIZEN view election night" at each precinct location (not when the ballots are mass shipped off to the counties and available for citizen count days later ruining chain of custody.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:42 PM

23. K&R

Critical issue.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:50 PM

24. Why aren't there armed federal agents

taking these fascist pricks into custody right now?

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:53 PM

26. I looked for this story and didn't see it so I posted it a while ago...

Thanks for this important story...

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:05 PM

29. Because NO ONE would stop it from being installed!

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:06 PM

30. I hope...

They catch this son of bitches red handed. I do believe tampering with votes is a felony crime. I'd love it if Husted was put behind bars. It doesn't take the intelligence of a snail to know they are trying to rig the election. The difference this time is that there are too many folks on it. However, I fear we are not going to know the results of the election until way beyond Wednesday, 11/7.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:08 PM

31. I can't find anything about this on NBC's or CNN's web site

But CNN does have an article titled "Imagining the first Mormon White House" (puke) on their main page.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:09 PM

32. I see Jim March is involved in the court challenge

He's Bev's partner in that Qui Tam settlement. I don't trust people who make money of exposing voting machines. Almost as much as I don't trust a Republican SoS.

When he and Bev crew start getting involved, I smell a potential problem.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:10 PM

34. Husted is thoroughly corrupted by power and thinks he can get away with it. Don't let him. nt

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:12 PM

37. So I'm scratching my head...because, I'm confused.

So we, the Left, are not supposed to really worry about the election being "stolen"? It's all just pie-in-the-sky "conspiracy" theories? And a waste of mental energy?

BUT then there is this posted to DU:

"BREAKING: GOP stealing ballots with "Victory Vans"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021717120

and things like a Kathryn Harris story and how the voter list "purge" may indeed have removed thousands
that might have changed the vote in FL (I think the story was here but I can't remember).

So having SOME concerns about dirty tricks, etc. on the part of the Pukes and Baggers, just makes some of us "conspiracy" crazies?

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:29 PM

42. my brother registered at the FL DMV in '99, and when he went to vote in 2000 they said there was

no record of such. Just one of the thousands the Harris monster purged from the voter rolls.

these people are more crooked than Nixon......

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:24 PM

38. The biggest question and the answer we will be waiting for, ...

Are these patches to close back doors, or, are these patches to open back doors. Either question leads to yet another question. If they are closing vulnerable security holes, it is because they know they have had problems in the past, even though they will not admit it. The second alternative, recent patches to open back doors, then lends fuel to the concern these machines are child's play for manipulation.

No matter how you look at this information and the arising possibilities, I does not instill confidence in the system.

Guess we will have to await the results election night, and then still wonder, if the results were correct, and/or, which side had the best hackers. The only way to verify is for 100% of the ballots from 'random' precincts to be compared against a verified paper trail. If you have to do that, why use machines, just count paper ballots. Any audit trail conducted on a small percentage of votes counted in a precinct, is meaningless.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:26 PM

39. For the same...

...reason they pulled the same thing in '02 in Georgia - they named that 'patch' RobGa, by the way - that is to flip up to 12% of the vote in precincts that were close enough for it to matter. We lost a Dem Senator - Max Cleland, and Governor - Roy Barnes, and they've had a death grip on the state ever since.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:26 PM

40. Husted thinks he's Kenneth Blackwell

I hope he ends up serving five to ten for it, too.

Oh, for a REALLY aggressive AG during Obama's second term!

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:36 PM

44. Try to get this out to the media, folks.

Yes, it's short notice, but it can't hurt. I just sent it to NPR.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:36 PM

45. Anybody think Obama has the spine, ...

to stop this country in its tracks for and extended investigation, if he smells a rat? Or rather would we see a Kerry repeat of laying down the sword before an investigation can even begin?

These machines do add some drama!

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:39 PM

47. Fighting voter fraud!!

If this election stolen for a third time, we need a plan of peaceful but visible and significant action. We need to march on/to Columbus, Ohio and/or Florida regardless of where we reside and occupy the state until the fraud is corrected. If a million people march and remain in Ohio so the world notices that as citizens of the United States we will no longer passively allow criminals to run this country maybe we can end this practice. Make a pledge to not passively allow this corrupt process to continue. MARCH

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Response to cjbgreen (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:49 PM

52. Agreed.

+1

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:49 PM

51. k&r

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:54 PM

55. right before our eyes, again?

If this goes down yet again, and exit polls don't match and discrepancies occur, we all must join together and demand justice, because I won't live in a country where elections are in the balance if the guy in the SOS job in each state has (R) after his/her name. Katherine Harris (R) gave us George The "W"armonger B*sh because of FL 2000, and J. Kenneth Blackwell (R) gave it to him again with the Ohio 2004 tabulating of votes in another state, through a company's servers that also housed the RNC website.




Get it here --->
http://www.zazzle.com/what_is_mitt_hiding_romney_bumper_sticker-128087600293857910?rf=238107662556833486

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:04 PM

59. We've got to watch and hold them accountable this time.

If we have another mysterious "red shift" that gives Romney an extra 5% over the exit polls I want the equipment impounded along with the logs and illegal software code for detailed scrutiny.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #59)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:16 PM

63. +1

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #63)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:58 PM

72. +2

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:12 PM

61. Experimental patches - now there's a phrase...

that inspires confidence and trust. Experimental patches should be vetted in an empty warehouse in an off-election period. Period. There is no excuse.

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Response to dchill (Reply #61)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:31 PM

66. Perhaps the experiment is to see whether anyone will do anything about those patches

or will they just look the other way?

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #66)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:13 PM

74. Well, looking the other way...

has always worked well before, hasn't it?


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Response to dchill (Reply #74)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:43 PM

75. Not once.

But we still keep trying it...

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:16 PM

62. were doomed to failure

after 12 years of election stealing starting in 2000, not 1 time in have i seen the justice department bring charges against anyone connected to it. being from the state of ohio i seen the damage done by Ken Blackwell and his lackey's. Having worked in Govt in the early 70's when it did work for the people of this country and the people had a voice. But after the 2000 election when Bush took over he installed his minions in every middle management and upper management position and what happened after the 2008 election not one was given his or her walking papers. Instead they have spread through our government like a cancer infecting all levels of govt, local state and federal to where nothing works for the people of this country anymore. I'm an old man now But when i hear a presidential candidate say 47% of the people don't matter it's time to get out or drink the koolaide.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:39 PM

68. Can an IT person explain how this vote stealing would happen?

Does the vote stealing happen inside the machine on which voters vote? No matter how the public votes--a machine can be programmed to give Republicans a 10, 12 or whatever- point advantage?

Or does the cheating happen AFTER the vote, when the vote counts are tabulated and totaled?

And how would a software "patch" aid in cheating? Is a software patch an addition to the computer itself? A "patch" is additional software that is downloaded onto the computer? And, it's in that patch, that numbers can be changed or made to follow a pre-determined program (Flip 10 percent of all Dem votes to R).

I'd like to understand how they are doing this.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #68)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:13 PM

77. The method thst they have been using is vote flipping.

 


That way the precinct totals match the sign-in sheets. Because the same algorithim is used in all the machines, it leaves artifacts in the data that cannot be caused by anything else.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1636998

Also, the original count can be reconstructed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1665183

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #68)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:22 PM

79. It can happen in either, the machines can flip ...

individual votes or the tabulators can record more or less than is entered. I am not a person in IT, but reading indicates where it is electronic there is a potential for manipulation. It is why a definitive hard copy is needed in duplicate for every vote cast, one checked and kept by the voter, and one retained by the polling precinct. The problem is different states have different requirements. Some states the machine simply spits out a receipt that says you voted. Well whoopie doo, how did I vote? Other states have a single receipt retained by the voter, so no realistic audit can happen after the fact. This could have changed in the last couple of years, but that is how it was in 2004 & 2008.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:42 PM

69. This morning I sent my last campaign contributions to you Brad!

If the fuckers steal this one & the dems roll over, I'm done voting.

~kick

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:49 PM

70. This is an alarming story

And it bears watching. I hpe they are successful in getting this software removed.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:54 PM

71. Appallingly corrupt!!

k&r

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:06 PM

73. Why?

Would you buy a used car from Jon Husted?

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 05:28 PM

76. Republicans can win only if they cheat. n/t

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:04 PM

80. 2004 All Over Again

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Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #80)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:03 PM

82. exactly my thoughts

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:36 PM

81. why do I feel like

I've read this article before?




8 years ago?




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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:24 PM

84. For shit sakes. Cheating right out in the open.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:46 PM

87. So what? Why worry about a patch we know about when nothing about the votes supposedly tabulated by

their proprietary software is verifiable in the first place?

This is the real voter fraud.

If you haven't seen it, watch hacking democracy: http://www.hulu.com/watch/192687

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #87)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:18 PM

90. Election fraud, though

Saying voter fraud plays into their hands because THEY are claiming that it's the voters committing the fraud.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #90)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:49 AM

95. Excellent point. Better yet, election theft or attempted election theft.

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:21 PM

91. Thank you Bradblog,

For this post

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:08 AM

94. when are there going to be CRIMINAL charges for this kind of shit?

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:19 AM

96. k&r! nt

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:52 AM

97. Reading the full article is ALARMING!

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:57 AM

98. No time for experiments.

nt

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Response to BradBlog (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:32 AM

99. I highly recommend that you read the whole article AND...

...watch the video at the end:

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