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Fri Nov 2, 2012, 05:28 AM

Ala. Racist Language Measure Draws Unexpected Foes

Source: NPR

Ala. Racist Language Measure Draws Unexpected Foes
by Debbie Elliott
November 2, 2012

State-mandated segregation is a thing of the past in Alabama, but the state's antiquated 1901 constitution paints a different picture. On Tuesday, Alabama voters will decide whether to strip language from the state's governing document that calls for poll taxes and separate schools for "white and colored".

In 2004, voters rejected an amendment to purge those remnants of Jim Crow from the constitution by less than 2,000 votes.

'A Black Eye' For Alabama

"I think that was a black eye for the state," says Bryan Taylor, a Republican who chairs the Alabama Senate's constitution and elections committee. "Nationally, that was perceived as, 'There goes Alabama, voting down language to reverse its black mark in history.'"

Taylor says that perception hampers the state's drive to attract business, so lawmakers are again putting forth a constitutional amendment, Amendment 4, to delete the now obsolete segregation-era language.


Read more: http://www.npr.org/2012/11/02/164107184/ala-racist-language-measure-draws-unexpected-foes

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Reply Ala. Racist Language Measure Draws Unexpected Foes (Original post)
Judi Lynn Nov 2012 OP
MrYikes Nov 2012 #1
Cryptoad Nov 2012 #2
sulphurdunn Nov 2012 #3
Cryptoad Nov 2012 #6
mentalsolstice Nov 2012 #11
sulphurdunn Nov 2012 #21
sinkingfeeling Nov 2012 #4
Cryptoad Nov 2012 #5
bamacrat Nov 2012 #7
SemperEadem Nov 2012 #8
sinkingfeeling Nov 2012 #9
enlightenment Nov 2012 #10
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #13
Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #12
stillcool Nov 2012 #17
Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #19
jsr Nov 2012 #14
Evasporque Nov 2012 #15
Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #20
wmchase65 Nov 2012 #16
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #18
Dont call me Shirley Nov 2012 #22
sulphurdunn Nov 2012 #23
argiel1234 Nov 2012 #24
xfundy Nov 2012 #25
NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #26
happyslug Nov 2012 #27
Spock_is_Skeptical Nov 2012 #28

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 05:43 AM

1. No, no, don't change it

I want to be able to point at the US map when talking to my grandkids and laughing at the southern states. Just does my heart good to be able to justify living elsewhere.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:12 AM

2. No,,,No,,,, NO.....

This is a Hoo Doo tactic by the GOP!. Amendment 4 also replaces the law that insures every child every child in Alabama has a right to a public education with law that says the State "May " furnish a public education if they want to........ The GOP is trying to pull a fast one!

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:03 AM

3. You're kidding, right?

The only reason a legislature would do such a thing would be as a step in privatization of the public system rationalized by slashing education budgets because there was no longer a mandate to do otherwise. I hope the voters in Alabama are hip to this.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:35 AM

6. No i am not kidding,,,,,,,,

see post below for actual amendment

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:30 AM

11. Nope he's not kidding.

I'm a retired lawyer who used to work on education issues with many of those advocating a "No" vote to Amendment 4. It sucks, I know, but it's critical that this amendment be voted down.

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Response to mentalsolstice (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 05:15 PM

21. There was a time

it would have been hard for me to believe that elected leaders could be so duplicitous and cynical. Just goes to show have credulous I once was.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:32 AM

4. Here's how it's supposed to appear on the ballot....

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Alabama_Segregation_Reference_Ban_Amendment,_Amendment_4_(2012)

The ballot language of the amendment reads:





Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of Alabama of 1901, to repeal portions of Section 256 and Amendment 111, now appearing as Section 256 of the Official Recompilation of the Constitution of Alabama of 1901, as amended, relating to separation of schools by race and to repeal Section 259, Amendment 90, and Amendment 109, relating to the poll tax.
Yes___

No ___


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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:34 AM

5. But here is the actual admendment ........


http://ali.state.al.us/documents/Act2011353.pdf



Section 1 .a

snip

...but nothing in this Constitution shall be construed to as creating or recognizing any right to education at public expense, in furthering or providing education, ...

snip





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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:40 AM

7. We're a really stupid state...

Of course they would wrap removing racist language in the attempts at restricting education. Crazy thing is is that on the radio its the repukes that are against this...

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:54 AM

8. wow, that is a viscious, evil person who drafted the wording of that bill

to encompass that.

Because on the surface, it's make it look like the rethugs opened up a can of "act right"... when the truth of the matter is, they're trying to let the devil out of hell with this.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:56 AM

9. That's not what is printed on the Alabama ballot.

http://localtvwhnt.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/lauderdale-2012-sample.pdf

PROPOSED STATEWIDE
AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR (4)
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of
Alabama of 1901, to repeal portions of
Amendment 111, now appearing as Section 256
of the Official Recompilation of the Constitution
of Alabama of 1901, as amended, relating to
separation of schools by race and to repeal
Section 259, Amendment 90, and Amendment
109, relating to the poll tax. (Proposed by Act
No. 2011-353)
Statewide Amendment No. 4-YES
Statewide Amendment No. 4-NO

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:14 AM

10. If you read the actual amendment, however,

it does suggest that while the state has an 'interest' in promoting education, it is not required to provide it. The pols who wrote it helpfully added the language that they believe should be on the ballot - which does not mention the ticking time bomb in the bill.

"It is the policy of the state . . . to foster and promote the education of its citizens . . . in a manner consistent with its available resources and the willingness and ability of the individual student, but . . ."

and then the bit about not being required to actually provide educational opportunities.

It also includes a suggestion that the state still maintains the authority to "require and impose conditions deemed necessary to the preservation of peace and order."

Claiming a need to preserve "peace and order" is an extremely odd statement in reference to education, unless they are setting the stage for new forms of segregation.

Nasty piece of work, this one. Really, really nasty.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:10 PM

13. Wow. Just wow. (nt)

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:48 AM

12. I think this sort of thing should be CRIMINAL.

 

What is on the ballot gives NO INDICATION TO THE VOTER AS TO WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS REALLY ABOUT.

So if you have not done your homework before voting, how can you possibly make a decision?

The ballot is clearly worded to make it sound like it's all about "separation of schools by race".

But that is not what this amendment is about at all.

What is is really about is this:

"That language, added as Amendment 111, declares "nothing in this constitution shall be construed as creating or recognizing any right to education or training at public expense." At the time, it was intended to supersede the Alabama Constitution's original guarantee that the "legislature shall establish, organize and maintain a liberal system of public schools.""

What this amendment really does is guts the constitutional requirement for a "liberal system of public schools". That is why the teachers union here is against this amendment.

Sadly too many voters are going to see this and think, "Oh, this is about removing racism from our constitution!" and vote yes for it. Even the radio ads here are couching it this way.

This ballot is clearly meant to deceive.

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 03:43 PM

17. wow...that's amazing..

do you think there are enough racists for it to backfire on them?

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Response to stillcool (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 03:54 PM

19. LOL, that would be great, eh? n/t

 

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:34 PM

14. It's a classic RW Trojan horse

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Response to jsr (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 02:27 PM

15. Should Read: Arkansa GOP seeks to end public education

I heard that report on the NPR this morning and what a crock of shit these RW pukes are...they know damn well it will destroy public education...

WTF! Yet media potrays it is something else...how effed up.

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Response to Evasporque (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 03:55 PM

20. Alabama. n/t

 

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 02:33 PM

16. Provided it (insert legislation here) can be linked to "raising taxes"...

southern GOP voters will vote for it,or in this case, against it every time...

And I do believe the folks promoting the "no" vote on this are somehow making a nebulous connection between its passage and tax increases? Huh? Go figure.....

To me, this amendment is akin to a state wide political exorcism of sorts for Alabama; its attempting to leave the last vestiges of institutional racism behind...however, alone in the voter both, the inner "Bull Conner" still lives in the hearts of many white-bread Bamans...and what is most upsetting, its still being perpetuated in those who never even lived during the scourge of segregation.


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Response to wmchase65 (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 03:45 PM

18. This one deserves to be voted down

It's got secondary language in it striking down the idea of education as a right in the state constitution. The point isn't to clear up the language, it's to give the state the leeway to not just reduce but eliminate education funding.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 05:23 PM

22. Alabama, you've got to lift the wieght off your shoulders

that's breaking your back.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 05:30 PM

23. I never know

what constitutional amendments will be on the ballot because there is virtually no public discussion of them. I vote against all of them.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 05:36 PM

24. is there a way to list the asswipes

 

who drafted this legislation. I would love to see names so we can identify them for all to see. Typical Republican trojan horse tactics

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:39 PM

25. An educated populace

would be able to benefit the state and the nation by its ability to work in higher-wage, in-demand jobs that could advance human achievement.

On the other hand, when one has an education, one tends to question the system they live within, and seek fairness, equality for all, and giving others' views a chance to be heard, among other things.

This would wreak havoc upon the system, which counts on ignorant, angry, low info types that are easily led with outright lies, especially among churchgoers and cable subscribers.

Can't have that. Nooooo.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:54 PM

28. sad but not suprising due to how it was deceptively presented on the ballot

it was confusing enough, and it worked apparently... sigh

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