Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:53 PM
swag (24,385 posts)
BUILDING FACADE COLLAPSES IN MANHATTAN AT 8TH AND 14TH STREETLast edited Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:08 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)
Source: Business Insider
A building facade has collapsed at 8th Ave and 14th Street in Manhattan, according to FDNY and other sources. No one is trapped inside, according to USEmergAlerts. The front of the 92 8th Ave has fallen off, according to this picture from Meg Robertson on twitter: Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/major-building-collapse-in-manhattan-at-8th-and-14th-street-2012-10#ixzz2AjTAf3vg Edit: Updated photo at the link. Looks like the facade came down: not a total collapse.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/major-building-collapse-in-manhattan-at-8th-and-14th-street-2012-10 Updated to reflect rapidly changing story. Thank goodness it's not as bad as first thought.
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| swag | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| truthisfreedom | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| AngryOldDem | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| DollarBillHines | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| NYC_SKP | Oct 2012 | #31 | |
| Monk06 | Oct 2012 | #37 | |
| NYC_SKP | Oct 2012 | #38 | |
| freedom fighter jh | Oct 2012 | #35 | |
| sakabatou | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| CaliforniaPeggy | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| dumbledork | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| jberryhill | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| Purveyor | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| slackmaster | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| frazzled | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| Tuesday_Morning | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| Happyhippychick | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| frazzled | Oct 2012 | #18 | |
| southernyankeebelle | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| Codeine | Oct 2012 | #32 | |
| yardwork | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| DURHAM D | Oct 2012 | #16 | |
| WilliamPitt | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| HereSince1628 | Oct 2012 | #19 | |
| progressivebydesign | Oct 2012 | #20 | |
| slackmaster | Oct 2012 | #28 | |
| luv_mykatz | Oct 2012 | #39 | |
| defacto7 | Oct 2012 | #21 | |
| redqueen | Oct 2012 | #29 | |
| redqueen | Oct 2012 | #22 | |
| Beacool | Oct 2012 | #23 | |
| slackmaster | Oct 2012 | #24 | |
| longship | Oct 2012 | #25 | |
| swag | Oct 2012 | #27 | |
| progressivebydesign | Oct 2012 | #30 | |
| Poll_Blind | Oct 2012 | #26 | |
| LiberalElite | Oct 2012 | #33 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Oct 2012 | #34 | |
| JackRiddler | Oct 2012 | #36 | |
| davidpdx | Oct 2012 | #40 |
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:55 PM
truthisfreedom (17,692 posts)
1. I wonder if water washed away the foundation?
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Good luck, people!
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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #1)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:58 PM
AngryOldDem (8,821 posts)
6. If that's true, then how many more buildings are at risk?
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Especially older ones?
Here's hoping everyone gets out okay. I can't get my head around what's going on there right now. |
Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #1)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:02 PM
DollarBillHines (1,922 posts)
11. The facade pulled away.
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pic at link
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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #1)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:26 PM
NYC_SKP (49,507 posts)
31. Architect here. The answer is "no".
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It appears that the brick facade simply peeled off from the rest of the building.
It's amazing that so many of the early tenement buildings still stand. My apartment on Houston Street on the lower east side was 11 feet wide, one wall (the wall adjacent to the center stairwell) was fully three inches lower than the other exterior masonry wall, due to shrinkage of the wood internal structure. Anything on the floor rolled or flowed to that side of the apartment. |
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #31)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:47 PM
Monk06 (5,623 posts)
37. Interesting. I would have thought the facade was a bearing wall. Apparently not. It must have been
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well built to lose the facade and still be standing. I doubt that it has a steel super structure given that it has only four stories, so even more remarkable. |
Response to Monk06 (Reply #37)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:05 PM
NYC_SKP (49,507 posts)
38. That building appears to be on a typical NYC 25' wide lot.
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And usually the ceiling and floor joists span the masonry walls at the property lines, parallel to the sidewalk.
Thus, the loads fall on the side walls and not on the facade wall, which has to support itself but not load from the joists or beam except, in some cases, at mid-span. |
Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #1)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:38 PM
freedom fighter jh (936 posts)
35. More Likely Wind Sucked Away the Facade
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A fluid in motion is under less pressure than the stationary fluid around it. If there was already a lot of wind from the hurricane, it would have been pulling on the facade (because of its low pressure) from the outside with higher-pressure (stationary) air pushing from inside the building. It's for this reason that when a hurricane shatters windows the pieces always fly outward, not inward. It's just that this time the wind took half the building's facade, not just its windows.
Must be a powerful wind in New York now. |
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:56 PM
sakabatou (29,245 posts)
2. I hope the people in those building are alright
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:57 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (104,446 posts)
3. Omigod.
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That is horrifying.
The loss of innocent life is unspeakably terrible. |
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:57 PM
dumbledork (46 posts)
4. Controlled demolition no doubt! n/t
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Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:57 PM
jberryhill (30,131 posts)
5. Here we go...
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:59 PM
Purveyor (13,436 posts)
7. Picture of the damage?
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Response to Purveyor (Reply #7)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:03 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
12. I'm going to take a wild guess that water pooled up on the roof and the weight collapsed it
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I've seen it happen more than once.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:59 PM
frazzled (9,215 posts)
8. Wow, that's just on the block where I used to work
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Last edited Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:01 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Well, I'm talking decades and decades ago, in the 1970. I pray the people inside are okay!
PS: When I worked in that neighborhood, I witnessed another tragedy. Sitting at my desk, typing away (on a typewriter!), I noticed something go by outside, in my peripheral vision. I stood up to look out, and to my complete shock and horror saw a body fallen through the roof, several floors below, of the building next door (then an A & P supermarket). I will never forget the shock and anxiety I felt that day. It almost happened in slow motion: seeing something, sensing it was a person, then looking to confirm the horror. PPS: I'm seeing that building is on 8th Ave. My building was just around the corner, on 14th Street, near 8th. |
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:02 PM
Tuesday_Morning (1,672 posts)
9. There's a photo at the link
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Looks like just the facade of the building has fallen off.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:02 PM
Happyhippychick (5,718 posts)
10. It's a building FACADE, still bad but not as bad as a whole building
Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #10)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:06 PM
frazzled (9,215 posts)
18. Yes just confirmed it was facade (link)
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/building-facade-collapses-in-nyc-before-hurricane-sandy
A building located at 92 8th Ave. in Manhattan has suffered a collapsed front facade and falling debris in advance of the landfall of Hurricane Sandy, a New York Fire Department spokesperson confirmed in a phone interview with TPM.
FDNY had no reported injuries at the time of the interview with TPM and 25 units were on the scene clearing debris and checking to see if anyone was hurt. |
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:03 PM
southernyankeebelle (10,920 posts)
13. I was wondering how the buildings were going to do with the wind.
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:03 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,633 posts)
14. That is wind
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Wow.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #14)
Codeine This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:04 PM
yardwork (37,170 posts)
15. Please edit your OP. The source has edited their headline. It's not a major building.
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:04 PM
DURHAM D (18,612 posts)
16. Wow - how strange.
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It was the facade, not the whole building,
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Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:05 PM
WilliamPitt (54,575 posts)
17. Major?
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CONTROLLED DEMOLITION WHAAARGARBLE
Grip, get thyself. |
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:06 PM
HereSince1628 (26,735 posts)
19. Looks like the front facade broke loose...all those years, all that decomposition...
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of mortar on a ~100 year old building...
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Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:07 PM
progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)
20. The building looks like it's still standing. the front came down, though.
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scary. Not a major building. Hope everyone is okay. But the building is still there...
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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #20)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:18 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
28. The front fell off
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https://
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Response to slackmaster (Reply #28)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:59 PM
luv_mykatz (441 posts)
39. I have seen this video before....
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it is one of THE FUNNIEST videos I've ever seen.
And, yes, politicians are the same everywhere... Thank you for posting this. |
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:07 PM
defacto7 (3,616 posts)
21. This is terrible
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But I wouldn't call it a major building. I would call it a building. If that's a major building, what would you call larger buildings? Maybe they are calling it a major collapse OF a building. Not well reported by the newspaper.
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Response to defacto7 (Reply #21)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:22 PM
redqueen (102,918 posts)
29. They want clicks.
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Our media is irresponsible at best.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:09 PM
redqueen (102,918 posts)
22. OMG that headline scared the crap out of me!
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The facade is bad enough, but still.... Whew.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:10 PM
Beacool (19,331 posts)
23. It looks like the facade broke away from the rest of the bldg.
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Some of these old buildings are poorly maintained. We are getting pummeled in this area. My power went out for 2 hours. It just came back a few minutes ago. Hopefully it'll stay on.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:11 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
24. I'm glad it turned out to be just the facade and not the entire building
Response to swag (Original post)
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Response to longship (Reply #25)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:15 PM
swag (24,385 posts)
27. I posted the original headline as prescribed by the forum rules.
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When the facts of the story changed and the article on the link changed, I amended them.
Your accusation against me is unfounded. Get a grip. |
Response to longship (Reply #25)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:22 PM
progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)
30. Whoa cowboy!! the original link SAYS building collapse. It was wrong but reported that way.
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Last edited Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:22 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) People on twitter are still tweeting that a MAJOR building collapsed, and finally they're being corrected. But don't hate on the OP. If you look at the Business Insider link, that is what is written there.
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Response to swag (Original post)
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Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:39 PM
LiberalElite (880 posts)
33. NY1.com reports it was due to wind. (can't get link) -
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Last edited Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:40 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I feel sorry for the people who lived there now displaced.
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Response to LiberalElite (Reply #33)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:40 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,633 posts)
34. Yup
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Posted that above... |
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:44 PM
JackRiddler (19,456 posts)
36. Oh come on people...
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Half of the front wall of a small brownstone in New York fell off, harming no one. Bet the building was rickety and this could have also happened without the storm.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:33 AM
davidpdx (9,137 posts)
40. Wow, extremely lucky no one got hurt
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On the bright side the rent which was $4,400 a month will be going down.
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