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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:59 PM

US: Judge Must Deny Hobby Lobby Birth-Control Case

Source: Associated Press

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - The U.S. government is urging a federal judge to deny a Hobby Lobby Stores request to block the enforcement of a new health care law that requires employers to give staff insurance coverage for the morning-after pill and similar drugs.

Last month, the arts and crafts supply chain filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Oklahoma City that alleges the mandate is unconstitutional. The company wants an injunction to prohibit the law's enforcement. The Oklahoma City-based store says the mandate will force its owners to violate deeply held religious beliefs under threat of heavy fines.

Read more: http://www.wandtv.com/story/19903406/us-judge-must-deny-hobby-lobby-birth-control-case

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Reply US: Judge Must Deny Hobby Lobby Birth-Control Case (Original post)
Purveyor Oct 2012 OP
The Blue Flower Oct 2012 #1
crunch60 Oct 2012 #17
JPK Oct 2012 #19
blkmusclmachine Oct 2012 #21
bongbong Oct 2012 #2
slampoet Oct 2012 #3
Panasonic Oct 2012 #15
slampoet Oct 2012 #22
matt819 Oct 2012 #4
KarenS Oct 2012 #8
crunch60 Oct 2012 #13
KamaAina Oct 2012 #5
Dawson Leery Oct 2012 #18
EC Oct 2012 #6
bucolic_frolic Oct 2012 #7
crunch60 Oct 2012 #9
The Dude Oct 2012 #10
Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #11
Politicub Oct 2012 #12
johnsmith9875 Oct 2012 #14
Panasonic Oct 2012 #16
jmowreader Oct 2012 #23
llmart Oct 2012 #20
Mrs. Ted Nancy Oct 2012 #24
revolution breeze Oct 2012 #25

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:02 PM

1. It only denies them the right to deny the rights of others

This is such a twisted, ridiculous argument.

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Response to The Blue Flower (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:13 PM

17. I wrote to Hobby Lobby regarding this issue. follow is my letter and their response to me

 

MY LETTER TO HOBBY LOBBY..

I will be Boycotting Hobby Lobby. You bring your personal religious beliefs into an issue that should be my personal choice. As an artist, I will no longer shop as a store that I like very much, and will encourage all my artists friends to do the same. Please reconsider your decision. Where does it end? What if the employer doesn't believe in vaccines? Of if the employer is a Seventh Day Adventist or a Christian Scientist. Of if the employer doesn't believe in playing sports on Sunday and thus won't cover any sporting injury sustained on the Lord's Day. --------------------- The U.S. government is urging a federal judge to deny a Hobby Lobby Stores request to block the enforcement of a new health care law that requires employers to give staff insurance coverage for the morning-after pill and similar drugs. Last month, the arts and crafts supply chain filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Oklahoma City that alleges the mandate is unconstitutional. The company wants an injunction to prohibit the law's enforcement. The Oklahoma City-based store says the mandate will force its owners to violate deeply held religious beliefs under threat of heavy fines.

HOBBY LOBBY RESPONSE TO ME..........

Vincent Parker vincent.parker@hobbylobby.com

12:41 PM (4 hours ago)

Thank you for your email, we appreciate your comments. We respect your right to free speech, and we value you as a customer. We hope that you will respect our rights in the same way. Hobby Lobby is a company that was built on Biblical principles, and we believe that we cannot abandon our religious beliefs to comply with this mandate.

We do not wish to control the actions of our employees, but we also cannot go against our beliefs and provide coverage for abortion-inducing drugs. We will still cover preventive birth control for our employees.
If you would like more information, I can give you a website you can visit that might help answer your questions or concerns.

The website is www.becketfund.org/hobbylobby :

“The Green family respects the religious convictions of all Americans, including those who do not agree with them. All they are asking is for the government to give them the same respect by not forcing them to violate their religious beliefs.

“The Green family has no moral objection to the use of preventive contraceptives and will continue its longstanding practice of covering these preventive contraceptives for its employees. However, the Green family cannot provide or pay for two specific abortion-inducing drugs. These drugs are Plan B and Ella, the so-called morning-after pill and the week-after pill. Covering these drugs, as the government is forcing them to do under the threat of $1.3 million penalty per day, would violate their most deeply held religious belief that life begins at conception, when an egg is fertilized. The FDA-approved government birth control guide clearly states that these two drugs, the morning-after pill and the week-after pill, may prevent fertilized eggs from implanting in the womb, thus aborting the fertilized egg.

“Hobby Lobby is not ‘denying women healthcare,’ as the petition falsely claims. Hobby Lobby provides generous health care benefits and wages to all its employees. Their benefits have always included the vast majority of birth control drugs and will continue to do so. The government, however, wants to force Hobby Lobby to cover two specific drugs that can cause early abortions. This is illegal and unconstitutional. The only people who are being denied anything are Hobby Lobby and the Green Family, who are being denied the right to practice their religion or face millions of dollars in fines.

“The petition also claims that Hobby Lobby is ‘confusing matters’ by claiming that the morning after pill causes abortion, but it is the petition itself that is confusing matter by spreading misinformation. The federal government’s own birth control guide clearly states that drugs like the morning after pill and the week after pill can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg in the womb. Millions of Americans would consider that an early abortion.

“Finally, the petition says Hobby lobby ‘needs to hear immediately’ that it cannot ‘use Christian faith as an excuse to undermine healthcare reforms.’ The petitioners are flat wrong, the only thing being undermined here is Hobby Lobby’s Christian faith, not ‘healthcare reforms.’ The morning after and week after pills are widely available and employees are free to purchase them as they please. The government itself spends billions of dollars a year on free family planning services. But what the petitioners “need to hear immediately” is that the government cannot use healthcare reform as an excuse for trampling on religious rights.” -Kyle Duncan, The Becket Fund



Vince Parker

Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.

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Response to crunch60 (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:26 PM

19. Go to Michael's

Michael's has all the artist supplies that Hobby Lobby has without all the cheap made in china crap furniture and brik a brak.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:10 PM

2. Another retailer on my ....

 

Do Not Buy From list.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:19 PM

3. I was going to buy from them but they were closed on sunday. Now i will NEVER buy from them.

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Response to slampoet (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:47 PM

15. They are owned by fundamentalist Christian morons

 

like those that own Chick-Fil-A.

A MUST AVOID place.

Go to Michael's if you have one around.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:48 PM

22. learn something new every day.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:19 PM

4. Where does it end?

What if the employer doesn't believe in vaccines?

Of if the employer is a Seventh Day Adventist or a Christian Scientist.

Of if the employer doesn't believe in playing sports on Sunday and thus won't cover any sporting injury sustained on the Lord's Day.

WTF is wrong with these people?

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Response to matt819 (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:36 PM

8. add to your list ~ blood transfusions,,,,

some religions do not believe in them.

I agree, where does it end??

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Response to matt819 (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:17 PM

13. Here are a few of their Ministry Partners. Sad, can't keep religion out of the art world either.

 

Vision

Hobby Lobby Partners with organizations working to share the Good News of Jesus Christ to all the world.

http://www.hobbylobby.com/our_company/ministry.cfm

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:24 PM

5. The owners of Hobby Lobby outright GAVE a school campus in Mass. to a for-profit Christian college

"Grand Canyon University" sounds like the name of one of those degree mills that keep sending you spam, doesn't it?

Moral: Do not venture within 500 feet of a Hobby Lobby.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:22 PM

18. Do not venture within 500 feet of the Oklahoma border.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:27 PM

6. Why should an employer have

any right to tell an employee what meds can be included on their insurance?

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:33 PM

7. Using the courts

to force one's religious beliefs on the minds and bodies of others

This is so slippery. A religious belief is PERSONAL. I cannot tell another
what God to believe in, what temple to attend, what day to worship,
whether to worship at all.

It's really about beliefs and private property rights. You cannot impose
either on another unless you own those rights, and you can't own the mind
and/or body of another person.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:38 PM

9. Hobby Lobby boycott time.

 

They opened a store in Henderson, NV this past year, I was looking froward to shopping there, but now I won't.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:50 PM

10. Want this already ruled on?

I thought I remember a lengthy smack down from a judge who threw the case out, citing that employers can't force on their employees what choices to make with their benefits, that it would be like telling them what they can or can't but with their paycheck.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:54 PM

11. Then don't go into business...

 

I am so frigging tired of businesses claiming to be "victims".

Businesses, unless they are so stupid as to use the common partnership form of organization, enjoy EXTREMELY beneficial liability protection. Whether they are an LLC, LLP, LLLP, corporation, etc. the owners of the company are not liable for the actions of the organization. They will always be liable for their own personal actions. That is a tremendous benefit to businesses and investors that is never recognized or acknowledged. Should they be held liable? Probably not if they are shareholders of a large corporation. Should they be held liable if there are two owners? Questionable.

Further they benefit from our free market economy, anti-trust laws, etc.

If they want to engage in business activity it is perfectly reasonable that their personally held beliefs be suspended. This is about balancing all the "give aways" we give to businesses and their owners and treating employees fairly.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:58 PM

12. I'm glad stories like this make the news since I know where to NOT spend my hard-earned money

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:19 PM

14. Oklahoma is the land of the Christian Looneys

Trust me I live here, I know.

The Hobby Lobby in my town closes on Sunday out of christian demands that it be a day of rest, and interestingly the nearby chick-fil-a does it as well for the same reason.

The idea that they can selectively deny health services to people is ludicrous. That opens up a pandora's box which could mean your employer could deny other things such as birth control, family planning services, even specific drugs that they feel violate their religious views. What if your boss happens to be a scientologist and they think all health care is wrong?

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Response to johnsmith9875 (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:49 PM

16. Greetings from the state that's northwest of you.

 

Both places closes on Sundays here too.

They are both in the "Avoid like the plague" list.

Welcome to DU!

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Response to johnsmith9875 (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:58 PM

23. All Hobby Lobbies are closed on Sunday

I went in one, once, because I needed some candy oil (very potent flavoring that survives 300-degree heat) and figured they'd have some. No candy oil is there but whole aisles of Christian decor was. I would put the ratio of Christian decor to hobby supplies at 9-1.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:33 PM

20. Hobby Lobby....

overpriced crap made in China. I've never bought a thing in there and now I never will.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:23 PM

24. This is interesting

Christian Groups Petition Hobby Lobby Over HHS Lawsuit
1:00PM EDT 9/28/2012 GINA MEEKS


Christian activists are demanding Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc. drop its lawsuit opposing the Health and Human Services “preventive services” mandate.

The Rev. Lance Schmitz, pastor of the Capitol Hill Church of the Nazarene in Oklahoma City, Okla., was turned away from Hobby Lobby's headquarters Thursday when he attempted to deliver a petition.

“I thought they'd let me drop off the package,” Schmitz said. “I thought a Christian business would be interested in hearing from a pastor with a petition signed by thousands of people of faith. I guess Hobby Lobby is more interested in using their faith to score political points than in finding a way to ensure that its female employees get the health care they need.”

-snip-

The pastor said more than 80,000 people had signed copies of a petition circulated nationwide by the online Christian group Faithful America, and women's rights group UltraViolet. The petitions accuse the Green family of using their faith as an excuse to obstruct the reform of health care and deny women access to birth control. The signatories have vowed not to stop at the craft store until it dismisses the lawsuit.


http://www.charismanews.com/us/34233-christian-groups-petition-hobby-lobby-over-hhs-lawsuit

There are some sane Christians in Oklahoma.

Also... does this mean that Hobby Lobby will need an "activist judge" to declare that a secular corporation can claim a religious exception to the law?

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:29 PM

25. K&R n/t

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