Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:39 PM

Indi Guy (3,063 posts)

"Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim" (church-front) sign stirs controversy..

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Source: KHOU.com (Houston, Texas)

...That marquee standing outside a non-denominational church has become the talk of the town in Leakey — about 90 miles northwest of San Antonio.

The Church in the Valley is run by Pastor Ray Miller. Miller declined an interview but did say the sign was solely his idea. He said he changes the sign weekly and this isn't the first bold statement to be displayed.

The pastor said he feels strongly about the upcoming presidential election and feels the message on the marquee speaks for itself.

Since it is a church, it is classified as a non-profit organization. That means, by law, it can not endorse a political candidate... (Video in article)

on edit, I found this pic:

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"Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim" (church-front) sign stirs controversy.. (Original post)	Indi Guy	Oct 2012	OP
I certainly hope this church loses its tax-exempt status! n/t	bluethruandthru	Oct 2012	#1
Totally Agree	Shuhered	Oct 2012	#10
And the preacher is not a Bible reader, either. Exodus 20:16:	freshwest	Oct 2012	#41
and let us not forget...	icarusxat	Oct 2012	#58
Oh, man, I was relating that story to someone this week right after the hair cut story.	freshwest	Oct 2012	#59
Let's not forget...	GulleyJimson	Oct 2012	#74
Meaning what?	freshwest	Oct 2012	#82
That church apparently doesn't need a non profit status...cue IRS.	Historic NY	Oct 2012	#2
IRS. Where are you?????	Shuhered	Oct 2012	#45
Say buh-bye to your tax-exempt status, you idiot.	beac	Oct 2012	#3
But will that actually happen?	life long demo	Oct 2012	#5
don't think so	guyton	Oct 2012	#61
I bet they'd lose the exemption if they were telling members to vote	2pooped2pop	Oct 2012	#76
How about truth at Church's: vote for the Mormon instead of the Christian?	Fresh_Start	Oct 2012	#4
Where do Christ's teachings like "Judge not lest ye be judged" and others fit in at their services?	bulloney	Oct 2012	#6
The simplistic and certainty-addicted	TrogL	Oct 2012	#9
Judge not lest ye be TAXED	lunasun	Oct 2012	#60
Initiating Legal Action	Shuhered	Oct 2012	#7
This message was hidden by jury decision.	vilem	Oct 2012	#83
He may not be afraid to speak out but he IS ignorant at best. This "godly and loving group" is	uppityperson	Oct 2012	#84
What part of "by law, it cannot endorse a political candidate"	louis-t	Oct 2012	#8
Laws don't apply to Republicans	BainsBane	Oct 2012	#31
Not as long as Obama and Holder don't enforce them	Vidar	Oct 2012	#81
fox 'news' dissection of sign	leapinggnome	Oct 2012	#38
Actually, I suspect that they'll claim that the sign is ok because it doesn't mention names	Orrex	Oct 2012	#39
It sounds like this might be the right church for Megyn Kelley. The Moron Church	olddad56	Oct 2012	#57
nice Christian attitude	Skittles	Oct 2012	#11
Yeah. That's why I'm a happy atheist.	rivegauche	Oct 2012	#48
same here n/t	8 track mind	Oct 2012	#68
The word "pastor"	get the red out	Oct 2012	#12
Pastor is not a position in the Mormon church	icarusxat	Oct 2012	#62
Ignorance is bliss.	Bertha Venation	Oct 2012	#13
You pegged it, Bert	toby jo	Oct 2012	#16
huh	heaven05	Oct 2012	#14
If a progressive pastor had a "Vote for the Christian, not for the Mormon" sign	meow2u3	Oct 2012	#15
The Mormon baptized my already baptized DEAD GRANDPA	HockeyMom	Oct 2012	#17
non-denominational? I am pretty sure 'ASSHOLE' is a denomination	trailmonkee	Oct 2012	#18
Holy Crap	LiberalElite	Oct 2012	#70
could always contact them and tell them how you feel, contact info below	olddad56	Oct 2012	#19
Their website	hamsterjill	Oct 2012	#28
Thank you!	rivegauche	Oct 2012	#53
I appreciate you doing that. Thanks	olddad56	Oct 2012	#56
Leakey Texas...giggle n/t	durablend	Oct 2012	#87
Interesting enough they (the church office) aren't answering the phone right now.	lexx21	Oct 2012	#20
I sent Bro Ray a gentle but firm email.	olddad56	Oct 2012	#22
I sent one too. Not firm or gentle.	rivegauche	Oct 2012	#52
Send them an email (see post just above yours)	George II	Oct 2012	#26
Vote for.............	SamKnause	Oct 2012	#21
Desperate Faux Christians	Shuhered	Oct 2012	#86
My email to them	mac56	Oct 2012	#23
Some people will never get over their bigotry.	hrmjustin	Oct 2012	#24
I think he might have mis-spelled the word Moron, it doesn't have a second M in it.	olddad56	Oct 2012	#25
Now THAT would make a great sign: "Don't vote for the Mor[m]on"!!!	George II	Oct 2012	#27
these places should loose their tax exempt status	ThomThom	Oct 2012	#29
"We accept all as they are" ....	olddad56	Oct 2012	#30
Also from the church's website...	Indi Guy	Oct 2012	#32
I get the first part;	PMcDee	Oct 2012	#33
An imaginary person sitting in the empty chair would get my cote over Mr. Robme.	olddad56	Oct 2012	#35
I can make "I'm a moron!" out of that without even going to Internet Anagram Server	Bossy Monkey	Oct 2012	#34
Another "Christian" who has never met Christ	nakocal	Oct 2012	#36
Oh! WA.	elbloggoZY27	Oct 2012	#37
Intolerance is not the issue. The President isn't even a Muslim.	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#40
Calling the IRS. Oooophs, there goes that tax-exempt status.	Coyotl	Oct 2012	#42
FYI, I have been involved in politics for almost 40 years. I've seen churches and other non-profits	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#44
it would be political suicide for any pol to suggest it, but we really need to do away with that tax	yurbud	Oct 2012	#47
Be careful what you wish for. Eliminating tax-exempt status would harm a lot of beneficial groups.	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#51
churchinthevalley_leakey@yahoo.com - I sent him an email. hope he likes paying taxes.	themaguffin	Oct 2012	#43
To paraphrase Woody Allen	rivegauche	Oct 2012	#46
Don't mess with Texas! (cause they got a double digit IQ and ain't afeard to use it)	yurbud	Oct 2012	#49
For those who agree that churches who endorse candidates should lose their tax-exempt status...	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#50
"VOTE FOR The Mormon.. The A$$hole Vulture Capitalist who	Cha	Oct 2012	#54
Enough with these meddlesome churches.. no more tax exempt	mountain grammy	Oct 2012	#55
So who are the Islamic and Communist candidates for President?	mwooldri	Oct 2012	#63
I recall that Reagan supported the famous ANTI-Communist Muslims - the Mujahideen...	Indi Guy	Oct 2012	#77
Racism is Alive And well in USA USA USA	GeorgeGist	Oct 2012	#64
Oh, this is just so wrong!	montana_hazeleyes	Oct 2012	#65
Got a call from one of the Romnesia superpacs	underthematrix	Oct 2012	#66
Tax these ignorant motherf@#$%rs	Arugula Latte	Oct 2012	#67
Send in the auditors or the IRS	Dyedinthewoolliberal	Oct 2012	#69
He changes the sign weekly?	LiberalElite	Oct 2012	#71
Out of Line. Damn	ProudProgressiveNow	Oct 2012	#72
Well Obama is neither a Muslim nor a communist, so they have a loophole here	ButterflyBlood	Oct 2012	#73
Ideologues know Obama is Christian	Shuhered	Oct 2012	#85
Has anyone seen	GulleyJimson	Oct 2012	#75
Well some synagogues are even worse than these churches at this	ButterflyBlood	Oct 2012	#78
The IRS won't touch them	jsr	Oct 2012	#79
Muslim, what Muslim??	and-justice-for-all	Oct 2012	#80
Salt Lake City Tribune endorsed Obama	neversaydie	Oct 2012	#88

Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:41 PM

"Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim" (church-front) sign stirs controversy..

1. I certainly hope this church loses its tax-exempt status! n/t

10. Totally Agree

41. And the preacher is not a Bible reader, either. Exodus 20:16:

58. and let us not forget...

59. Oh, man, I was relating that story to someone this week right after the hair cut story.

74. Let's not forget...

82. Meaning what?

2. That church apparently doesn't need a non profit status...cue IRS.

45. IRS. Where are you?????

3. Say buh-bye to your tax-exempt status, you idiot.

5. But will that actually happen?

61. don't think so

76. I bet they'd lose the exemption if they were telling members to vote

4. How about truth at Church's: vote for the Mormon instead of the Christian?

6. Where do Christ's teachings like "Judge not lest ye be judged" and others fit in at their services?

9. The simplistic and certainty-addicted

60. Judge not lest ye be TAXED

7. Initiating Legal Action

84. He may not be afraid to speak out but he IS ignorant at best. This "godly and loving group" is

8. What part of "by law, it cannot endorse a political candidate"

31. Laws don't apply to Republicans

81. Not as long as Obama and Holder don't enforce them

38. fox 'news' dissection of sign

39. Actually, I suspect that they'll claim that the sign is ok because it doesn't mention names

57. It sounds like this might be the right church for Megyn Kelley. The Moron Church

11. nice Christian attitude

48. Yeah. That's why I'm a happy atheist.

68. same here n/t

12. The word "pastor"

62. Pastor is not a position in the Mormon church

13. Ignorance is bliss.

16. You pegged it, Bert

14. huh

15. If a progressive pastor had a "Vote for the Christian, not for the Mormon" sign

17. The Mormon baptized my already baptized DEAD GRANDPA

18. non-denominational? I am pretty sure 'ASSHOLE' is a denomination

70. Holy Crap

19. could always contact them and tell them how you feel, contact info below

28. Their website

53. Thank you!

56. I appreciate you doing that. Thanks

87. Leakey Texas...giggle n/t

20. Interesting enough they (the church office) aren't answering the phone right now.

22. I sent Bro Ray a gentle but firm email.

52. I sent one too. Not firm or gentle.

26. Send them an email (see post just above yours)

21. Vote for.............

86. Desperate Faux Christians

23. My email to them

24. Some people will never get over their bigotry.

25. I think he might have mis-spelled the word Moron, it doesn't have a second M in it.

27. Now THAT would make a great sign: "Don't vote for the Mor[m]on"!!!

29. these places should loose their tax exempt status

30. "We accept all as they are" ....

32. Also from the church's website...

33. I get the first part;

35. An imaginary person sitting in the empty chair would get my cote over Mr. Robme.

34. I can make "I'm a moron!" out of that without even going to Internet Anagram Server

36. Another "Christian" who has never met Christ

37. Oh! WA.

40. Intolerance is not the issue. The President isn't even a Muslim.

42. Calling the IRS. Oooophs, there goes that tax-exempt status.

44. FYI, I have been involved in politics for almost 40 years. I've seen churches and other non-profits

47. it would be political suicide for any pol to suggest it, but we really need to do away with that tax

51. Be careful what you wish for. Eliminating tax-exempt status would harm a lot of beneficial groups.

43. churchinthevalley_leakey@yahoo.com - I sent him an email. hope he likes paying taxes.

46. To paraphrase Woody Allen

49. Don't mess with Texas! (cause they got a double digit IQ and ain't afeard to use it)

50. For those who agree that churches who endorse candidates should lose their tax-exempt status...

54. "VOTE FOR The Mormon.. The A$$hole Vulture Capitalist who

55. Enough with these meddlesome churches.. no more tax exempt

63. So who are the Islamic and Communist candidates for President?

77. I recall that Reagan supported the famous ANTI-Communist Muslims - the Mujahideen...

64. Racism is Alive And well in USA USA USA

65. Oh, this is just so wrong!

66. Got a call from one of the Romnesia superpacs

67. Tax these ignorant motherf@#$%rs

69. Send in the auditors or the IRS

71. He changes the sign weekly?