Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:28 PM
swag (24,378 posts)
Fidel Castro suffered a stroke, Venezuelan doctor says
Source: Miami Herald
By Juan Carlos Chavez jcchavez@ElNuevoHerald.com Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro suffered a cerebral hemorrhage and his state of health is so precarious that he has trouble feeding, speaking and recognizing people, said a Venezuelan physician who assured El Nuevo Herald that he has access to firsthand sources and information. “He suffered an embolic stroke and recognizes absolutely no one,” said José Marquina, a respected doctor who in the past has claimed to have direct information about the illness affecting President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela. “The people with a condition of this nature have difficulty eating and, of course, they end up with total deficit in their neurologic capacities.” Rumors about Castro’s health have circulated consistently in social networks and the media. But the speculations intensified recently, to the point that word spread that he had died and that the Cuban government would make an official announcement to that effect. Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/18/3056621/fidel-castro-suffered-a-stroke.html
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| swag | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| lunasun | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| flamingdem | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| Fearless | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| Ken Burch | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| Fearless | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| Ghost Dog | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| dipsydoodle | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| Fearless | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| regnaD kciN | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| Vidar | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| bemildred | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| amandabeech | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| bemildred | Oct 2012 | #19 | |
| Odin2005 | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| Pterodactyl | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| Judi Lynn | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| Comrade Grumpy | Oct 2012 | #16 | |
| Ash_F | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| Ash_F | Oct 2012 | #17 |
Response to swag (Original post)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:51 PM
lunasun (3,593 posts)
1. he is 86 yrs old ?
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:17 AM
flamingdem (22,677 posts)
2. This story is being pumped by the same guy who made a name for himself over Chavez's health
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miaminewtimes.com
** Fidel's son stated that his father is okay - why would he lie? More likely the right wing in FL lies ABC spoke to Dr. José Rafael Marquina, a Venezuelan native who has lived in Florida for the past 20 years. Marquina made a name for himself by publicly analyzing Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's recent bout with cancer. He claims to have sources with information of Chavez's health, and now of Castro's. ABC reports that Chavez traveled to Cuba yesterday to get a health check-up and to visit Castro (no other media appears to confirm this). Marquina claims that Castro "has suffered a massive embolism in the right brain artery," and is "dying." It's unclear where exactly Marquina is getting his information, though it's the latest in a string of rumors that Castro's health has seriously declined. The fact he did not publicly congratulate Chavez on his reelection last week further spurred speculation. Castro hasn't so much as released a public word since June. So, today, state-run newspapers published a letter supposedly written by Castro in which he congratulated doctors graduating from a medical academy. Not everyone is buying that Castro actually wrote the letter. The retired dictator hasn't been seen in public since earlier this year when he greeted the Pope. |
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:21 AM
Fearless (12,391 posts)
3. This is just silly
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Either way he is completely irrelevant. This isn't 1950. The Cold War is over.
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Response to Fearless (Reply #3)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:26 AM
Ken Burch (31,228 posts)
4. That doesn't matter.
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Cuba is the colony that got away and then managed to survive on its own terms. Our leaders and their lackeys in the media will NEVER forgive Cuba for that.
And they'd do this even if the place had been a civil liberties utopia. |
Response to Ken Burch (Reply #4)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:54 AM
Fearless (12,391 posts)
6. In the words of Charlie Chaplin
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Men die, and so long as men die liberty will never perish.
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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #4)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:52 AM
Ghost Dog (12,960 posts)
9. Colonization was always the aim. Was Maine sinking False Flag?
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... The Maine is best known for her catastrophic loss in Havana Harbor on the evening of 15 February 1898. Sent to protect U.S. interests during the Cuban revolt against Spain, she exploded suddenly without warning and sank quickly, killing nearly three quarters of her crew. The cause and responsibility for her sinking remained unclear after a board of inquiry. Nevertheless, popular opinion in the U.S., fanned by inflammatory articles printed in the "Yellow Press" by William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer, blamed Spain. The phrase "Remember the Maine, to Hell with Spain!" became a rallying cry for action, which came with the Spanish–American War later that year. While the sinking of the Maine was not a direct cause for action, it served as a catalyst, accelerating the approach to a diplomatic impasse between the U.S. and Spain.
The cause of the Maine's sinking remains the subject of speculation. Suggestions have included an undetected fire in one of her coal bunkers, a naval mine and her deliberate sinking to drive the U.S. into a war with Spain... /... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maine_%28ACR-1%29 ... Revolts against Spanish rule had been endemic for decades in Cuba and were closely watched by Americans. There had been war scares before, as in the Virginius Affair in 1873. By 1897–98, American public opinion grew angrier at reports of Spanish atrocities in Cuba. After the mysterious sinking of the American battleship Maine in Havana harbor, political pressures from the Democratic Party pushed the administration of Republican President William McKinley into a war he had wished to avoid. Compromise proved impossible, resulting in the United States sending an ultimatum to Spain demanding it immediately surrender control of Cuba, which the Spanish rejected. First Madrid, then Washington, formally declared war. Although the main issue was Cuban independence, the ten-week war was fought in both the Caribbean and the Pacific. American naval power proved decisive, allowing U.S. expeditionary forces to disembark in Cuba against a Spanish garrison already reeling from nationwide insurgent attacks and wasted by yellow fever. Cuban, Philippine, and American forces obtained the surrender of Santiago de Cuba and Manila owing to their numerical superiority in most of the battles and despite the good performance of some Spanish infantry units and spirited defenses in places like San Juan Hill. With two obsolete Spanish squadrons sunk in Santiago de Cuba and Manila Bay and a third, more modern fleet recalled home to protect the Spanish coasts, Madrid sued for peace. The result was the 1898 Treaty of Paris, negotiated on terms favorable to the U.S., which allowed temporary American control of Cuba and, following their purchase from Spain, indefinite colonial authority over Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines. The defeat and collapse of the Spanish Empire was a profound shock to Spain's national psyche, and provoked a thoroughgoing philosophical and artistic reevaluation of Spanish society known as the Generation of '98. The victor gained several island possessions spanning the globe and a rancorous new debate over the wisdom of expansionism... /... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93American_War |
Response to Fearless (Reply #3)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:27 AM
dipsydoodle (32,593 posts)
8. Its not silly
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He's retired.
Which other country converted most of their military barracks to schools / hospitals ? CASTRO'S SPEECH IN CAMAGUEY ON 27 NOVEMBER 1959 We have come to this province today to deliver to the teachers of Camaguey what was a military fortress, where in another time the soldiers if the tyranny lived. And we have also come to inaugurate two hospitals, that is to say, the revolutionary government has come to visit the city of Camaguey today to inaugurate a school city and two hospitals. We began by telling you the reason for our visit to Camaguey. We have come basically to keep a promise to the people of Camaguey and to all the people of Cuba, the promise to convert fortresses into schools. The question we must ask ourselves following the ceremony this morning, following this spectacle of thousands and thousands of children with Cuban flags in the military parade ground of the former Ignacio Agramonte Regiment, following this moving and unforgettable ceremony -- this is the question we must ask: what need did the revolution have for this military fortress? For what does the revolution need military fortresses? What governments needed military fortresses? Only governments which do not work for the people, only governments which defend interests opposed to those of the people, need military fortresses. But we, the revolutionary government, the actions of which we all absolutely to the benefit of the people, why do we need military fortresses? For what did a military fortress serve? The fortresses were the refuge, the lodging of an army which was not in the service of the people. What was the army in our fatherland? What role did the army play in Cuba in the past? It was an organization in the service of the great interests, an organization trained and equipped to defend the great interests and the great interests needed an army to defend them. http://lanic.utexas.edu/project/castro/db/1959/19591130-1.html |
Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #8)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:25 PM
Fearless (12,391 posts)
12. Actually yes it is silly.
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It's silly to have a man who clearly has no idea what he's talking about pretending he knows anything about anyone. It's also silly the hysteria it causes on either side. Castro is neither saint nor sinner. Probably a good deal of both actually depending on whether you benefited from his policies or not. And as I said, whether or not he had a stroke is of little to no international consequence. The man is in charge of nothing. The 1950's foaming at the mouth gut reaction is silly. As is the deification of a man who despite doing some things which benefited his country, also did some things that distinctly hurt it, especially when looking at political opposition.
As I said he is neither saint nor sinner, but both. And this entire story is silly; the man clearly can't know or be privy to any special information and already proved himself wrong once before. |
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:36 AM
regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)
5. It's a safe prediction...
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Predicting that an 86-year-old is going to die will turn out true, sooner or later.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:15 AM
Vidar (18,335 posts)
7. I wish him well.
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 07:24 AM
bemildred (67,489 posts)
10. Anytime he's out of the public eye for a while, somebody decides he's dead.
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I don't see that Cuba would hide his passing, I would expect a Raygun style sendoff for him with all the bells and whistles when that happens. He is like George Washington in Cuba (all the Tories have moved to Miami).
Castro had the humility and self-respect to step down, unlike so many we see around us, so they don't really need to cover his death up to protect "order". |
Response to bemildred (Reply #10)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 01:33 AM
amandabeech (8,298 posts)
15. When Fidel Castro stepped down, his brother Raul took over.
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It's always looked to me that Fidel and Raul had similar views, and was with Fidel throughout the revolution and the subsequent revolutionary government.
It must have given Fidel more peace of mind in stepping down than many in similar circumstances have had. Also, as a brother, Raul may have been able to talk with Fidel about stepping down when Fidel's health started to fail in a way that others could not. |
Response to amandabeech (Reply #15)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 05:35 AM
bemildred (67,489 posts)
19. Yes. Younger brothers can have their uses.
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The Cuban situation is unusual in many ways, but one hesitates to discuss it, people still get pretty worked up and take sides. Which is OK, but does make a longer view of the situation annoying to them.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:56 AM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
11. Miami Herald = Miami Cuban BS.
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 01:06 AM
Pterodactyl (988 posts)
13. Cuban health care is really good. I don't think he needs a VENEZUELAN doctor.
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The story is obviously bogus.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 01:27 AM
Judi Lynn (77,575 posts)
14. Fidel Castro alive and well : Chavez aide
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Fidel Castro alive and well : Chavez aide
Marc Frank Reuters 2:10 p.m. EDT, October 21, 2012 HAVANA (Reuters) - Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro is alive and well, according to Elias Jaua, a former Venezuelan vice president who says he met with Castro over the weekend. Squelching rumors that Castro was at death's door, Jaua, a key aide to Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, on Sunday showed reporters pictures of the Saturday meeting and said Castro, 86, was in good health and lucid. Jaua, who is running for governor in Venezuela's contested state of Miranda, said Castro accompanied him to Havana's famed Hotel National early on Saturday evening after their meeting. He then chatted briefly with the hotel's general manager, Antonio Martinez Rodriguez, before departing. Castro's long absence from the public eye has fueled blogger and Twitter rumors for weeks that he was dead or near dying. More: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sns-rt-us-cuba-castrobre89k0do-20121021,0,2805359.story |
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 03:02 AM
Comrade Grumpy (3,359 posts)
16. Wishful thinking.
Response to swag (Original post)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 04:07 AM
Ash_F (1,742 posts)
17. When will US diplomats reach out to Cuba,
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and let the grudge go?
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