Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:16 PM
NDAA Critic Stranded In Hawaii After Turning Up On No-fly List
Source: RT
17 October, 2012, 20:15 
Wade Hicks was en route to a US Navy base in Japan to see his wife when armed military guards informed him that they had other plans. Hicks, an American citizen with no criminal record, had just been put added to a federal no-fly list. After being escorted off his plane during a routine re-fueling stop on the Pacific Island of Oahu, Hicks, 34, was left stranded in Hawaii this week. In an interview, he suggests that his opposition to a newly-created law that allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens at military prisons without charge or trial could be to blame for his mistreatment. "I was very, very vocal about the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and I did contact my representative” about it, Hicks tells talk show host Doug Hagmann. "I do believe that this is tied in some way to my free speech and my political view." According to Hicks, he has little reason to believe otherwise. He tells Hagmann that he formerly worked as a contractor for the US Department of Defense and has undergone extensive background checks in order to obtain an enhanced license that allows him to carry a concealed firearm. Hicks says he also holds on to a special identification card issued by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), the US Homeland Security Department sub-agency that administers pat-downs and screenings at airports across the country. An investigation carried out by Hagmann has led him to locating no criminal history for the man whatsoever. Read more: http://rt.com/usa/news/no-fly-hicks-us-military-650/ 
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DeSwiss | Oct 2012 | OP |
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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:27 PM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
1. That picture is false advertising. He was left in Paradise, not flown to Purgatory.
Response to freshwest (Reply #1)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:46 PM
7. If you don't want to be in ''paradise''.....
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...it can be purgatory. Or, hell
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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #7)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:31 AM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
26. Being inconvenienced is neither purgatory nor hell. Just sayin'
Response to freshwest (Reply #26)
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:30 AM
194. Wow. Just... wow. Being stranded thousands of miles from home and family is "inconvenienced"?
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Being treated as a terrorist without evidence is "being inconvenienced"?
Being forced to prove your innocence (when it is, in the very founding principals of our Republic, the duty of the government to prove guilt), "being inconvenienced"? Fuck. That. Vile. Noise.  |
Response to PavePusher (Reply #194)
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:52 PM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
198. 'Fuck. That. Vile. Noise.' that I said that you didn't like. Did you read further down the thread?
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Response to freshwest (Reply #1)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:33 AM
74. Shame on you. Apologizing for a police state.
Response to JackRiddler (Reply #74)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:40 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
89. It was a military flight. What rights did he have to fly a military flight after he lost his
Response to msanthrope (Reply #89)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:20 PM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
115. How about armed Birther Prepper nutbags? Just like everyone else, right?
Response to msanthrope (Reply #89)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:46 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
121. The same right any military spouse has. And why did he lose his clearances?
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #121)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:13 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
128. See post 125. nt
Response to JackRiddler (Reply #74)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:19 PM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
114. My post was not apology, you owe me one, but I won't hold my breath. Read the sign in the OP.
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Response to freshwest (Reply #1)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:32 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
85. He was on a military flight, no less. The military does not have to fly an asshole who
Response to msanthrope (Reply #85)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:02 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
124. His wife is in the military. So you want him punished by depriving him of privileges all military
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Last edited Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:03 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) spouses are provided with because of his political views.
What if his wife dies as so many thousands of our troops have, if she is deployed to one of our various war zones? What will our Government say to him then? 'We support our troops, thank you for your sacrifice but sorry, we had to take away your privileges to go see your spouse, who is a HERO WHO DIED FOR OUR FREEDOMS because we didn't like your political views! The military has no right to punish anyone for their political speech. What a scary thought that is. I am having a hard time with your logic here: 'You have the right to say whatever you want, but we will retaliate against you if we don't like what you say'. So iow, we don't need a Constitution or a 1st Amendment since every living soul on the face of the earth has the exact same right. 
Another 'scumbag' who insulted the POTUS who should also lose any privileges s/he has to go visit their spouse in the military. The military doesn't have to cart his/her ass around either on a military plane and any security clearances s/he had should be removed. Well, not in my opinion. I would have been up in arms if this had happened to him/her or anyone else who chose to express their political views this way. |
Response to msanthrope (Reply #85)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 07:56 AM
156. I am the "asshole's" wife...
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Sir or ma'am,
I would ask you to get your facts straight before committing libel against my husband. He has never lost his clearances. He has never committed a crime, he has never had a felony, he is under no investigation, and he certainly does not have a webpage that depicts the CIC burning the constitution. His story has spread to so many places as of now that I cannot verify if any of those sites have taken the story and run with it, and those sites might depict some such idea, but it has not come from my husband. As for this Military flight issue. If you research Space Available flights, you will see that spouses are allowed to travel when there is room and no other passengers with higher priority are available. I had a special letter drafted for him, which is standard procedure for military who are deploying. Here are the FACTS of the case from the wife of the man who when through it. (I speak as a private citizen and do not represent the military or the U.S. Government) My husband believes in the constitution and people's rights. He has recently passed an FBI background investigation to obtain a concealed carry permit. He was robbed at gun point last year and has since decided it would be better if he could defend himself. he was not carrying on the plane. He boarded in San Francisco like any other normal person with his only intent to come visit me. in Honolulu he was detained for 4 days calling congressmen, the press and anyone else we could think of because they would not let him leave. If you would like this to happen to you then ignore his story and continue to call him an asshole... I do periodically but I'm his wife. I'm supposed to  |
Response to ekb (Reply #156)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:16 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
158. If you are that asshole's wife, then I can only congratulate you, Lieutenant, on your
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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:29 PM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
2. This dude is a 9/11 truther and Tea Party activist in Mississippi. Far-rightwing sources
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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:56 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
9. And what do his political views have to do with this? Is it a crime now to have political views
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #9)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:29 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
65. I absolutely support putting people on the No-Fly based on their beliefs. I'd have started with the
Response to msanthrope (Reply #65)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:51 AM
Nihil (11,244 posts)
69. Wow ...
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> I absolutely support putting people on the No-Fly based on their beliefs. I'd have started with the
> 19 hijackers. Richard Reid, Anwar Aw-laki, Luis Carriles--all dudes who should not be on a plane, based on their beliefs, no? Didn't realise we had a sales rep for White Christian All-American Airlines on board! 
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Response to Nihil (Reply #69)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:16 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
81. I have no doubt Luis Carriles claims to be a Christian. But I'd gladly add
Response to msanthrope (Reply #81)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:00 PM
Nihil (11,244 posts)
93. I'd say I'm glad you're not in a position of power ...
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... given your apparent paranoia and irrational criteria for "banning people from flying" according
to your perception of their beliefs - especially now that you appear to be defending said paranoia by picking out weird murderous individuals who share practically nothing in common until they actually killed someone ... I suspect that Msanthrope Airways would have an awful lot of empty seats ... 
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Response to Nihil (Reply #93)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:03 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
94. Tell me, please, why a military flight must carry a person who has lost his
Response to msanthrope (Reply #94)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:57 AM
Nihil (11,244 posts)
155. Read my first post on this thread and your post to which it applied.
Response to Nihil (Reply #155)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:57 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
157. Well, yes, you are defending this man. It's not my fault you didn't avail yourself
Response to msanthrope (Reply #157)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 04:26 PM
Nihil (11,244 posts)
202. If you knew how to read, you wouldn't have written that reply.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #65)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:57 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
70. Are you comparing terrorist suspects to Americans who belong to the Republican Party or the
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #70)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:27 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
82. No, I'm comparing terrorists to a kook no military flight should have to countenance.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #82)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:20 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
96. He's a kook ...
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Should all kooks be on the No Fly List?
Is what he did a crime? Or was it political speech protected by the Constitution? 
How many Progressives depicted Bush burning the Constitution? Should they all have been on the No Fly List also? There were a few, Green Party member, author of Bush's Brain who landed on the List. And we were outraged. Was that outrage about principles, about protecting even speech we vehemently disagree with? Or was it just situational? |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #96)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:49 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
104. Speech is protected. Military flights subsidized by the taxpayers are not. nt
Response to msanthrope (Reply #104)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:59 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
108. And when critics of Bush landed on the No Fly List you no doubt fully supported
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them being punished for their political views?
They could say what they want, but they should have been on the No Fly List and refused the privileges normally granted to spouses of military members. Was that your position back then also? |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #108)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:15 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
113. Explain to me how this dude is owed a tax-payer subsidized military flight? Because he
Response to msanthrope (Reply #113)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:26 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
118. That did not address my question. Never mind 'this dude'. You stated that
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the Government should not be 'carting his ass around' even though he has that privilege due to his wife's military service.
I asked if you felt the same way about people who depicted Bush this way: 
It's a simple question. Did this artist deserve retaliation from the military/government for that depiction of Bush? |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #118)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:11 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
126. see post 125. nt
Response to msanthrope (Reply #126)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:41 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
132. I saw it, it doesn't answer the question.
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Same kind of political speech. It's a very simple question. Should this artist have been punished by being put on a No Fly List, and/or had his military spousal privileges removed as punishment for his/her political speech? |
Response to msanthrope (Reply #65)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:29 AM
83. Mere thoughts should indeed, prevent and deny people from many things, including flight
Response to LanternWaste (Reply #83)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:43 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
91. This was a military flight. If you depict the CIC burning the Constiution, host a website calling
Response to msanthrope (Reply #91)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:33 PM
100. You appear to be adding additional qualifiers to your original premise of mere thought.
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You appear to be adding additional qualifiers to your original premise of mere thought being enough to refuse a flight. Hosting a web site, depicting the CIC burning the Constitution, etc, are far beyond mere thought...
And tpo be honest, I'm not to worried about the intersection of the MILITARY and my ass... |
Response to LanternWaste (Reply #100)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:52 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
105. LA--how do we know thoughts? Through speech and action. I'm not a mind reader. But if
Response to msanthrope (Reply #65)
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:51 PM
markpkessinger (3,126 posts)
197. Then you are no different from Joe McCarthy n/t
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #9)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:45 AM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
67. You don't read carefully or well. Let me repeat what I said: "I'll want a much better source
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #67)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:38 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
71. RT is more far more reputable than CNN, Fox and most of our Corporate run 'news' organizations
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #71)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:03 AM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
73. Allow me to explain to you just how far you've wandered into the land of fruitcakes and mixed nuts
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #73)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:16 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
80. Your nasty persoal attacks mean nothing to me, so I will not alert on them but rather let them
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #73)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:33 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
86. Get this--Wade Hicks was on a military flight--imagine that!!! The parasite is wondering
Response to msanthrope (Reply #86)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:32 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
99. And?? Apparently his wife is in the military. I will ask again. Since when did political speech
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become a threat to this democracy?
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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #99)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:42 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
102. You can say what you wish. But speech is not without consequences. nt
Response to msanthrope (Reply #102)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:05 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
109. Was this your position for Progressives
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who depicted Bush burning and/or shredding the Constitution?
So your reading of the 1st Amendment is that the Government CAN retaliate against people if they are foolish enough to believe that they are protected by the 1st Amendment? But since we are told that Political Speech is protected, we do not expect to be punished for it, do we? How is that free speech if the Government can still punish people for what they say? The 1st Amendment was to protect people from retaliation from their Government, was it not? |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #109)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:13 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
112. Explain to me how a taxpayer subsidized military flight is protected under the Constitution? nt
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Response to msanthrope (Reply #112)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:23 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
117. I asked you a question first. I will answer yours when you answer mine.
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #117)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:07 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
125. Your question is flawed because you conflate rights with privileges. Further,
Response to msanthrope (Reply #125)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:16 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
131. My question is pretty straightforward. If the Government punishes someone for
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #131)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:01 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
134. No--your question is flawed. You are conflating a right with a privilege. Mr. Hicks retains his
Response to msanthrope (Reply #134)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:37 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
137. Amazing. Here let me try to make it as simple as possible.
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Last edited Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:37 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Should the guy who made this cartoon about the former CIC
be treated the same way, have his privileges such as being 'carted around by the Government' to visit his military spouse, removed as punishment for insulting the CIC? Did YOU make the same argument to punish all those who did the same thing back then? Please stop trying to avoid answering the question. It could not be more simple. |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #137)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:39 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
139. Are you asserting that a taxpayer subsidized military flight is a right? Or a privilege? nt
Response to msanthrope (Reply #139)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:05 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
141. Should a person be punished by the military by removing their PRIVILEGES because of their
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #141)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:11 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
143. Okay--so this is a privilege, right? Do you have an actual case of someone from the Bush era, or is
Response to msanthrope (Reply #143)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:41 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
162. Is flying on commercial airlines a right or a privilege?
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #162)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:11 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
168. Travel is a right; flying on commercial airlines is a privilege subject to rules.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #168)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:27 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
170. You haven't answered a single one of my very simple questions so far.
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #170)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:20 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
173. Um--just answered the question you posted in 162. Apparently you do not like that answer and are on
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Response to msanthrope (Reply #173)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 06:41 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
183. And once again, you do not answer the question.
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #183)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 06:59 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
184. Sabrina, I think you got Parlocked.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #184)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:26 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
188. What I didn't get was an answer to a simple question even though I very patiently tried for more
Response to Dokkie (Reply #191)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:09 AM
201. The military prohibits expressions of disrespect for the CiC
Response to JackRiddler (Reply #76)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:29 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
97. Yes, incredible the reaction to any kind of free press in this country. I remember the hatred
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #9)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:44 PM
snooper2 (16,632 posts)
120. No, but it's intuitive to know he's a fucking loon and believes in crazy shit..
Response to JackRiddler (Reply #75)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:36 PM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
129. That's not what I've said: I've said I don't trust him and don't believe his story
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:34 PM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
3. Douglas Hagmann BTW is another rightwinger, whose views are promoted by Alex Jones
Response to loop204 (Reply #5)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:59 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
10. No, it's not. RT is one of the best Progressive news organizations
Response to loop204 (Reply #5)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:30 AM
dipsydoodle (32,685 posts)
63. That's not true.
Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #63)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:09 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
111. Thank you for posting actual facts.
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #3)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:07 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
15. And again, what does any of that have to do with an American Citizen being put on Bush's
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #15)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:42 AM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
66. Listen carefully: I think his tale might be untrue. Let me say that a few more ways:
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Response to loop204 (Reply #4)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:03 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
11. RT is one of the MOST credible news sources on TV. Unless you don't like
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Response to loop204 (Reply #16)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:21 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
24. RT often posts news, they ARE based in DC btw, before other news sources get them I've noticed.
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #11)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:52 PM
geek tragedy (25,721 posts)
146. It has an anti-American bias, being a tool of Vladimir Putin.
Response to geek tragedy (Reply #146)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:55 PM
geek tragedy (25,721 posts)
147. So, Teabag wingnut doesn't get welfare flight overseas, Putin's mouthpiece whines,
Response to geek tragedy (Reply #146)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:30 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
171. No it does not have an anti-American bias. But nice try. It reports news and provides opportunity
Response to loop204 (Reply #4)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:09 AM
JDPriestly (37,764 posts)
17. It has some blatantly propaganda programs, but it also has some others like Thom Hartmann.
Response to loop204 (Reply #27)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:23 AM
41. ''.... but also to coverage that makes the United States look bad.''
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Maybe the United States should just stop doing bad things. You know, like droning woman and children ''terrorists'' and assassinating its citizens? It's those little things that'll win people over.
- And welcome to DU......
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Response to loop204 (Reply #45)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:32 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
52. So in your opinion reporting news is making heroes out of people?
Response to loop204 (Reply #27)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:12 PM
JDPriestly (37,764 posts)
122. I tend to agree that RT's news coverage is for dupes in many cases, but then
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Response to loop204 (Reply #4)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:01 AM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
35. Alex Jones likes Putin. For my own reasons, I do, too. Thom Hartmann is a serious person, IMO.
Response to loop204 (Reply #4)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:20 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
64. We used to have posters that linked to WSWS, but with enough mockery, they switched to RT.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #64)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:37 AM
77. FOX, CNN, NBC are more your cup of tea.
Response to JackRiddler (Reply #77)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:38 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
88. Actually, Canada Free Press had the professionalism to report that Hicks was on a military flight.
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:38 PM
Dustlawyer (1,330 posts)
6. I too am on the FAA No Fly list and have been since December 2001. Early on they over-reacted
Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #6)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:48 PM
Major Nikon (9,723 posts)
8. This is the kind of shit that makes me believe the terrorists won
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:06 AM
13. Not just the terrorists, take a look at this (unrelated, but you'll see what I mean):
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:10 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
18. I thought this Bush era, McCarthyite list had been dealt with. This was one of the abominations
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #18)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:07 AM
Major Nikon (9,723 posts)
37. I suspect that person wound up on the list for the same reason
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #37)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:14 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
47. Not surprising at all that he wound up on the list. Considering all the others who ended up on it.
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:04 AM
12. Sad to see DU'ers get duped by Russia Today. Total nonsense and bunkum.
Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #12)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:12 AM
JDPriestly (37,764 posts)
19. Are you talking about Thom Hartmann? Or Max Keiser?
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #19)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:16 AM
21. Thom Hartmann is an entertainer. Not journalism.
Response to boppers (Reply #21)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:19 AM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
39. I think you're wrong about Hartmann. But the rest of RT is BS. JMHO.
Response to freshwest (Reply #39)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:06 PM
150. RT, like much modern media, is struggling to survive.
Response to boppers (Reply #150)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:08 PM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
151. Name your media sources, then. And your respected journalists. Help us out here.
Response to boppers (Reply #150)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:47 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
164. That's not true, on the contrary it has been hugely successful. Here are the facts about RT:
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #164)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:09 PM
190. They're incredibly succesful. According to the wikipedia article.
Response to boppers (Reply #21)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:34 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
53. Wow! So can you point us in the direction of a real journalist then?
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #53)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:58 PM
148. Yes, Amy Goodman has been snared in one too many clever phrasings and omissions of details for me.
Response to navarth (Reply #72)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:34 PM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
119. I don't see him that way at all. Jones, Beck and Fox are. They add nuts and whipped cream to truth.
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Last edited Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:56 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Thom Hartmann is a substantial thinker and a poster here at DU that I respect for his insight. He has not only held fast to his beliefs, but he has walked the talk in his life. His Wikipedia page:
Thom Hartmann (born May 7, 1951) is an American radio host, author, former psychotherapist and entrepreneur, and progressive political commentator. His nationally-syndicated radio show, The Thom Hartmann Program, airs in the United States and has 2.75 million listeners a week. In 2008, 2009, and 2010, Talkers Magazine named Hartmann the tenth most important talk show host in America, and number 8 in 2011 defining him as the most important liberal host for four years in a row (the ones above Hartmann are conservatives). Hartmann's article "Talking Back To Talk Radio" became part of the original business plan of Air America Radio and he started his radio program out of his home in Vermont in March of 2003. He replaced Al Franken on the network on February 19, 2007. On March 1, 2009, Hartmann moved syndication of his show from Air America to the former Jones Network, now owned by Dial Global (which also syndicates Neal Boortz, Ed Schultz, Michael Smerconish, Bill Press, Stephanie Miller, and Clark Howard). In the summer of 2009, his program began to also be offered to nonprofit stations via the Pacifica Radio network, and some community/nonprofit stations in the US are also carrying his show. The radio program is also simulcast as a TV program by Free Speech TV on Dish Network and DirecTV. Additionally, he stars in a one-hour daily TV show which his production company records at the studios of and licenses to the RT news network (which carries it into over 500 million homes in over 100 countries, The Big Picture; that TV show is also syndicated by Free Speech TV and carried on both Dish Network, DirectTV and local cable TV stations. Hartmann is a lay scholar of the history and textual analysis of the United States Constitution; attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD); Thomas Jefferson; the assassination of John F. Kennedy; the Federalist Papers; electronic voting rigging; and environmental issues like global warming. He has authored many books on political topics and ADHD. He is the inventor of the hunter vs. farmer theory of the condition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Hartmann The fact that he is being hosted by RT, which may or may not be biased, since I don't ascribe to anti-Russian sentiment, is just proof that M$M won't allow progressive voices, something we've seen time and again. He has 2.75 million radio listeners according to Wikipedia, which if I read it right doesn't have anything to do with RT. The firing of Phil Donahue's high-rated show for daring to go against the Iraq war hype, even in the mild manner he did, while O'Reilly of Fox was calling for people who opposed the invasion to be shot as traitors, and various others voices were silenced by corporate media, show that. RT's main virtue is hosting Hartmann, who has been doing the public a service for years in outting the far right agenda, etc. Yes, some of the stuff he reports on could be called entertainment, but this piece posted on DU a while back is not fluff, IMO: Thom Hartmann: Conservative Millennials, Boomers & Libertarians all being Conned http://www.democraticunderground.com/101744227 The transcript of the video is posted there, and can be validated elsewhere, I'm certain. That transcript is information mportant to our democracy as we have to know how Americans fell for the RW lie. It was a long-term plan by those with enough wealth to influence many facets of society. Thom simply pulled all the threads together but having been in the business for so many years, it's doubtful he would miss anything. Some CT is based on facts, but the spin ends up supporting the Koch agenda. So that's the marker for me. |
Response to navarth (Reply #130)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:59 PM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
135. Don't worry. Posters have strong opinions. I wish they'd stay to explain them.
Response to freshwest (Reply #119)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:51 PM
145. I believe you have made my point.
Response to boppers (Reply #144)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:50 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
165. Lol, so you don't like Thom Hartmann, you don't like Amy Goodman and you don't like RT.
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #165)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:18 PM
192. Olberman's shallow, Maddow's got a great wit, Moore is clever as hell.
Response to boppers (Reply #192)
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:27 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
196. Copying the right's shoddy opinions-as-news would mean all those people you mentioned
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #19)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:18 AM
22. Sorry, it's shite. WND out of the Oligarchy of Russia.
Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #22)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:36 AM
28. If only more people would recognize that n/t
Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #22)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:17 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
48. You've never watched it have you?
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #48)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:23 AM
50. More than once. Al-Jazeera is more to my liking.
Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #50)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:22 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
62. Al Jazeera and RT are very similar. I watch both and have watched Al Jazeera since they first
Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #22)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:26 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
58. From your comments it appears you are not familiar with the network.
Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #12)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:15 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
20. RT is one of the best news sources on TV. Based in DC it gives air time to Progressives who
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #20)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:03 PM
149. "finally gives that truth with a Liberal Bias"
Response to boppers (Reply #149)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:40 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
161. I guess you're not familiar with the saying.
Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #12)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:19 AM
23. Yeah that's me: duped.
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Thank you for your expert assessment: WND = RT.
Clearly now that you've enlightened me and all the rest of us RT suckers here at DU, we are forever in your debt because we've unknowingly been slavishly reading RT (AKA: Putin's Rag) from time to time but we can now avoid wasting valuable time reading their tripe. Thank you so much for we can now devote ourselves to reading only the totally objective, clean and pure American news sources who never lie (and allied sources like the BBC, et.al.). - Yep, they never LIE at all.
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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #25)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:42 AM
29. Okay then, try these:
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http://www.businessinsider.com/american-stranded-hawaii-ndaa-2012-10
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/334957 http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50309 And then there are these similar coincidental cases: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/world/19nofly.html?_r=0 http://www.smh.com.au/national/assangelink-lawyer-on-inhibited-fly-list-20120419-1x8sf.html http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8026239 I hope these can either be vetted by your sniff test, or relegated to the trash heaps of RTLand.  - We await you decision maestro! |
Response to DeSwiss (Reply #29)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:58 AM
33. Please do a little research on some of those 'authors' and 'journalists' while you're at it.
Response to DeSwiss (Reply #29)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:00 AM
34. All the Wade Hicks Jr. articles you posted lead to one man
Response to loop204 (Reply #38)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:28 AM
43. These guys make money from peddling fear
Response to loop204 (Reply #43)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:55 AM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
56. Very good and I hate what the Paulbots did there. Thanks.
Response to loop204 (Reply #43)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:01 AM
SidDithers (27,133 posts)
159. Good posts in this thread...
Welcome to DU. Sid |
Response to SidDithers (Reply #159)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:17 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
169. And it looks like they were all wrong!
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #169)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:43 PM
SidDithers (27,133 posts)
178. tl:dr...nt
Response to SidDithers (Reply #178)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 04:33 PM
Nihil (11,244 posts)
203. 132 words, 12 lines ... if that's "tl:dr" then I pity you.
Response to loop204 (Reply #34)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:22 AM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
40. Jones also says that Obama was behind the Aurora, Sikh temple, etc. Now he's gonna bomb us? Please..
Response to DeSwiss (Reply #29)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:49 AM
muriel_volestrangler (65,367 posts)
78. Can I ask you to remove the Canada Free Pres link? They are far right
Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #25)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:21 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
49. Um, no, they are a very legitimate news channel, excellent coverage of foreign news and
Response to DeSwiss (Reply #23)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:44 AM
30. This is RT's poster boy -- Alex Jones
Response to loop204 (Reply #30)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:53 AM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
32. Well, Alex was around spreading terror long before RT. His 'documentary films' on Obama
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Response to freshwest (Reply #32)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:31 AM
44. Ahhh... thanks... David Icke is the name that escaped me in my lasy post. n/t
Response to loop204 (Reply #44)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:37 AM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
54. I enjoyed him for a while. What a unique view, I thought. Then realized the result of it.
Response to loop204 (Reply #30)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:28 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
51. No, that is not RT's poster boy, but nice try. Since RT is one of my main news sources, and clearly
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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #51)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:52 AM
55. As a researcher, I'm very familiar with RT
Response to loop204 (Reply #55)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:04 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
57. If you were a researcher, you would never have come here where many DUers are very familiar
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #57)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:27 AM
59. ---->
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Response to loop204 (Reply #60)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:39 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
101. And there is a perfect example of what I said about the demise of the Guardian as a credible
Response to loop204 (Reply #59)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:11 AM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
61. The NYT? Judith Miller?
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:06 AM
azurnoir (26,679 posts)
14. as per comment #2 is this Wade Hicks?
Response to azurnoir (Reply #14)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:46 AM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
31. Nice pic at the link of Obama tearing up the Constitution and the flag in flames.
Response to freshwest (Reply #31)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:26 AM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
42. More blazing info, recycled from when Obama tried to set up CCC, WPA groups in 2009, now 2012:
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Response to azurnoir (Reply #14)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:51 AM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
68. After a brief tour of wingnut sites, I'm pretty sure that is him
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #68)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:44 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
92. Hagmann forgot to mention it was a military flight, didn't he?
Response to azurnoir (Reply #14)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:41 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
90. Wade Hicks who decided to use a military flight, and wonders why he got kicked off--
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:50 AM
Sunlei (2,286 posts)
79. should be easy for him to get off, but he says he holds an extra screening card already
Response to Sunlei (Reply #79)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:34 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
87. He was on a military flight--and he wonders why he got kicked off???? nt
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:30 AM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
84. UNREC for omission--the man was on a military flight. Our military does not have to carry people
Response to msanthrope (Reply #84)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:07 PM
95. Thank you.
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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #95)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:56 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
107. You are welcome. I'm enjoying reading how military flights subsidized by the taxpayers are now the
Response to msanthrope (Reply #107)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:33 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
136. I'm enjoying watching you refusing to answer a simple question.
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As if Democrats didn't portray the CIC burning the Constitution during the last administration.
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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #136)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:38 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
138. Sabrina, your questions can't be answered until you make better ones. So clarify, please,
Response to msanthrope (Reply #138)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:03 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
140. That's not the question. Did you make the same argument against the hundreds of people who
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #140)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:10 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
142. Okay, so you are asserting this is a privilege, then? Do you have an actual case of a person in
Response to msanthrope (Reply #84)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:31 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
98. Since when did political speech become a threat to this Democracy?
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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #98)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:46 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
103. How is his speech infringed? It't not. He can say what he wishes, but the government doesn't have
Response to msanthrope (Reply #103)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:54 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
106. His wife is the military. The government should not punish people for political speech I was
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always told.
So let me ask you this? I can post dozens of depictions of Bush/Cheney shredding the Constitution. 
Cheney/Bush shredding the Constitution Did you demand that if any of those people had a spouse in the military their privileges such as using a military flight to go visit that spouse, should have been removed as punishment for those depictions? Did you feel that the Government didn't have to 'cart their asses around' because they depicted the CIC burning and/or shredding the Constitution? |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #106)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:08 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
110. If his wife is in the military then she is well aware that flights are a privilege, and not a right.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #110)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:22 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
116. Then you do believe that the Government should punish people for political speech.
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Then why do we need a 1st Amendment? Everyone, in every country in the world can say or draw what they want without a 1st Amendment, only problem is in some not-so-free countries, they can be punished by their Government and/or their Military. It happens all the time. No one needs a Constitution to say what they want do they?
But the problem here is we CLAIM to be different. We claim that political speech is protected from Government retaliation. So it's all a farce is what you are saying. 
Remove this artist's military spousal privileges. Draw what you want but face the consequences of an angry Government! Just like any country that has no Constitutional rights. |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #116)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:12 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
127. See post 125. nt
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:45 PM
ManiacJoe (5,583 posts)
123. On the bright side,
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:22 AM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
154. ... A spokesman for the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center said he could neither confirm nor deny
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #154)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:54 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
166. Well, if that statement is true, it looks like those of you arguing he was rightfully removed based
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #166)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:10 PM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
167. there's no evidence he ever was on the no fly list
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #167)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:53 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
172. Whether he was or not people in this thread argued that it would be just fine to keep him off
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #154)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:22 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
174. Hicks is now claiming he's off the list---
Response to msanthrope (Reply #174)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:30 PM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
175. yeah, something like that would be my guess
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #175)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:37 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
177. Always enjoyable, seeing who took RT/Alex Jones as gospel. nt
Response to msanthrope (Reply #177)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 06:33 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
182. Even more enlightening is seeing who supports the rights of ALL Americans
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #182)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 07:01 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
185. Sabrina, I think you got Parlocked....
Response to msanthrope (Reply #185)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:21 PM
sabrina 1 (34,101 posts)
187. What I got was a look at who cannot separate their own personal opinions from
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:20 PM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
160. Gulfport man says he's cleared of 'no-fly' order
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #160)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:49 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
179. Phil Parlock gets to fly, then??? Amazing!!!! Always great to watch who falls for him. nt
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #160)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:10 AM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
199. But he was supposed to be sent to GITMO! What about the NDAA and the Police State?
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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:30 PM
yurbud (31,423 posts)
176. It would be nice to have at least two choices on foreign policy
Response to yurbud (Reply #176)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:53 PM
msanthrope (16,506 posts)
180. It would be nice if DUer's could remember Phil Parlock every election.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #180)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 07:27 PM
struggle4progress (71,491 posts)
186. +
Response to DeSwiss (Original post)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:59 AM
muriel_volestrangler (65,367 posts)
200. Kick (nt)
