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Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:30 AM

Obama's Strong Pitch to Women Prompts Romney Stumble

Source: Reuters

Obama's strong pitch to women prompts Romney stumble

By Patricia Zengerle

WASHINGTON | Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:55am EDT

(Reuters) - With polls suggesting women voters were shifting their support to Mitt Romney, President Barack Obama made an aggressive pitch to them on Tuesday that yielded awkward moments for the Republican and a favorite new catch phrase on social media.

Obama hit hard on issues like equal pay for women and contraception and abortion rights in the second debate ahead of the November 6 presidential election. The topics did not come up in the first debate on October 3, when Romney outshone the Democratic president.

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With strong support among women essential to his hopes of winning re-election, Obama devoted much of the second debate toward shoring up their support.

He mentioned the women's health organization Planned Parenthood five times. He stressed that Romney had promised to defund the organization, which provides contraception and abortions, but also basic services like cancer screenings.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/17/us-usa-campaign-women-idUSBRE89G0AY20121017

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Reply Obama's Strong Pitch to Women Prompts Romney Stumble (Original post)
Hissyspit Oct 2012 OP
MrSlayer Oct 2012 #1
Julien Sorel Oct 2012 #5
JI7 Oct 2012 #6
wordpix Oct 2012 #28
daleo Oct 2012 #37
Major Nikon Oct 2012 #8
Julien Sorel Oct 2012 #12
Major Nikon Oct 2012 #13
progree Oct 2012 #14
Major Nikon Oct 2012 #33
Th1onein Oct 2012 #38
progree Oct 2012 #39
Th1onein Oct 2012 #40
progree Oct 2012 #41
progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #35
Major Nikon Oct 2012 #36
Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2012 #42
JDPriestly Oct 2012 #16
brush Oct 2012 #23
Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #21
polly7 Oct 2012 #31
GranholmFan Oct 2012 #2
calimary Oct 2012 #3
Major Nikon Oct 2012 #9
NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #20
Major Nikon Oct 2012 #34
brush Oct 2012 #24
David Zephyr Oct 2012 #4
Cha Oct 2012 #7
meti57b Oct 2012 #15
barnabas63 Oct 2012 #10
Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #18
barnabas63 Oct 2012 #26
HockeyMom Oct 2012 #25
xxqqqzme Oct 2012 #11
JDPriestly Oct 2012 #17
JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #27
JDPriestly Oct 2012 #30
yellowcanine Oct 2012 #32
wordpix Oct 2012 #29
tclambert Oct 2012 #19
Overseas Oct 2012 #22

Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:32 AM

1. I find it hard to believe women were ever shifting to Romney.

 

But if they were, that's not happening anymore.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:54 AM

5. Bush only lost the women's vote by 3% in 2004.

If Romney pulls a similar number off, he's going to win the election.

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Response to Julien Sorel (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 04:41 AM

6. that was because they used Terrorism/Fear

said if Kerry was elected there would be another 9/11.

they don't have that anymore.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:45 AM

28. they're still using it, only this time it's about other issues

like the economy

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Response to JI7 (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:59 PM

37. And most likely vote fraud

I still recall going to bed with Kerry winning and waking up with Bush winning. I never believed it was an accurate and honest count.

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Response to Julien Sorel (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 04:52 AM

8. You're assuming that each election is a repeat of the last

Or in this case 2 elections prior. I think that's a pretty poor assumption.

Shrub also did much better among the Latino vote than Rmoney can ever hope for, and Obama did quite well among men in 2008 which was much better than Kerry did in 2004. So there's a lot more demographics which will come into play, not to mention key state races which will make national demographics less relevant.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:23 AM

12. If Romney wins 48% 0f the women's vote,

he's going to win 55 - 56% of the men's vote. And that means he wins, period, just as Bush did. I used 2004 to show that it is possible for Republicans to be competitive with women. I don't think it's going to happen, mind you, but it is possible, particularly if Obama reverts to his listless form and fails to draw a clear contrast between himself and Romney, really, between himself and the Republican Party as it currently exists. People have a hard time really believing how noxious the Republican Party is unless someone like Obama takes the trouble to remind them, and it does seem to be a bother for Obama to do it.

As for the state breakdown, thanks for the lesson, but it's extremely unusual for someone to win the national vote and lose the election -- it's only happened three times in history, I believe. Again, it CAN happen, as Al Gore can attest, but it's really unlikely. But ultimately, trying to clever a way into a win, or to convince yourself you can't lose, that you've got things sewn up even if you lose the popular vote, is exactly the sort of thing that leads to a loss, and is the sort of thing Obama is prone to. You gain nothing by it, so why do it? The Republican position on women IS noxious, and it's not only politically smart to point it out, over and over, it's the right thing to do, election be damned. That approach has been, sadly, missing from not just Obama's campaign, but his presidency itself.

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Response to Julien Sorel (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:51 AM

13. I just can't agree his campaign has done a poor job

A poor economic outlook is bad news for any incumbent president. It tanked Carter and Bush I, and while both of those presidents lost for other reasons as well, there's no doubt the economy played a huge role in their defeat. Incumbent presidents with a hot economy generally have no problem getting elected. Given that handicap, the Obama campaign has done a spectacular job, including Obama himself.

And no, presidential candidates absolutely do not run their campaigns on national polls to any large degree. It makes absolutely no sense for Obama to campaign for the women's vote in Georgia. Rmoney could care less how women vote in California. Candidates base their strategy on the electoral college because that's what determines elections. They also test out their strategies on focus groups before they implement and constantly modify their methods to go with what works and shitcan what doesn't. There's also soft money efforts that come into play as well and some efforts work much better on that front.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:04 AM

14. "A poor economic outlook is bad news for any incumbent president" Yes, 4.3 M jobs in 31 months sucks

OK, its not a great economy, I agree. And yes, the view of the American Street is that its been a sluggish recovery. But I just want to be sure that people understand that the last 31 months has not exactly been Apocalypse Now. I wrote the "EF series" to have facts on hand when the Reich Wing greed-bangers talk about how Obama has not created a single job or some-such.

Hell, if you start in June 2009 -- 5 months after he took office, and when the recession officially ended (thank you Mr. President, I think that was pretty quick work, I'd like that on my resume), 3.0 million jobs have been created.

See especially EF 1. at http://www.democraticunderground.com/111622439

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Response to progree (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:21 PM

33. I think Obama has done a great job on the economy

He's done as well as you could expect anyone to do given the circumstances, which include being sandbagged by obstructionist Republicans in congress. However, the economy is still down overall and that's the perception that works against him. Carter was burdened by stagflation which was the result of fucked up monetary policies from the presidents and fed chairmen that came before him. It wasn't his fault and his fed chairman appointee, Paul Volcker ultimately fixed it, but he still got the blame for not fixing it overnight as people expected.

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Response to progree (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:09 AM

38. Jesus Christ, we're getting some good people on this forum nowadays.

Trolls, too, yes, but when we get the good ones, they're really good.

Welcome to DU, progree.

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:27 PM

39. I was being sarcastic in my "Yes, 4.3 M jobs in 31 months sucks" in #14.

And I hoped that people would see that when they read the rest of my post, but on a second reading, I can understand how somebody could wonder seeing my title line in #14.

I think Obama has done a very impressive job, especially considering the hole with the economy Bush handed him.

I mentioned EF 1. at http://www.democraticunderground.com/111622439

Does that look like "Troll work" to you? Or any of the other "EF" posts -- EF 0, EF 1, EF 2, ... , EF 6 at http://www.democraticunderground.com/111622439

If so, how so? I've gotten a lot of good comments about it.

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Response to progree (Reply #39)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:03 PM

40. You have completely misunderstood me.

My comment was NOT sarcastic. I was, in fact, complimenting you.

Listen: I'm glad you're here. I don't think you're a troll. We need more people like you here on DU. You seem to be absolutely great. Welcome to DU.

Is that more clear?

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #40)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 06:35 PM

41. Whew. Thanks much for the very kind words. n/t

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:41 PM

35. what's with the "bad economy" meme here? Housing starts UP, Consumer Confidence UP,

Unemployment collapsing, according to Gallup, housing market is hot, consumer spending is up, corporate profits, UP, stock market doubled.

Can we just put that bad economy meme to bed? And if I here "in this economy" one more time, I'll throw up.

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #35)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:53 PM

36. Current reality matters more to elections than trends

So while you are correct in that all those things are up, for which Obama deserves considerable credit, the reality is that all of those things are still down considerably from recent highs.

Unemployment is almost double compared to what it was when Clinton left office.

Housing prices are nowhere near what they were in 2006 at the height of the bubble.

The stock market is just barely past the historical high levels in the 90's, which means 401K plans have been largely stagnant for the past 15 years, which is what matters to most voters.

Average middle class wages have been stagnant for decades.

That's why Rmoney has been able to paint the economy as poor, even though most trends are quite positive. Even though most indicators are positive, it takes a while for the average person to realize those gains. If your house is worth shit, you are out of a job, your pension plan is going nowhere, and/or your wages are stuck in the 80's, it's hard to convince the average person on the street that all is rosy.



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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #36)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:06 PM

42. With the global economic crisis

one cannot expect things to be as good. Deregulation led to the crisis.

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Response to Julien Sorel (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:21 AM

16. Actually, Romney is more prone to complacency than Obama.

The problem in the first debate was that Obama was dealing with difficult foreign policy issues at that time. He said so at the beginning of the first debate.

Romney's big hurdle is that he is not likable. He never was, not in his whole life, and he never will be. People just do not like him. Even some who will vote for him really don't like him. He can't do anything about that. He just isn't a likable guy.

Obama on the other hand is extremely likable. He is. And Obama's wife and family are extremely likable and very much like other middle class Americans of all races. In the end, that will make the biggest difference with the undecided voters who don't know the difference between Republicans and Democrats. I say they don't know the difference because I am out there talking to them. Some of them aren't sure which candidate is which. It's just Romney -- he's the one that's for the rich, isn't he? Not a very likable profile.

Romney did himself in with his 47% comment -- and of course that comment is Romney. Even if he hadn't said 47%, he would have said something similar.

Romney's comments about single moms were a really low blow. Women will not forgive that one. It was the biggest blunder that any politician has made in my life I think.

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Response to Julien Sorel (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:00 AM

23. The Rove factor

Sounds like you're being fooled by the Rove-backed polls that even the once-great Silver is factoring into his reports. There are several of them like, Gravis Marketing's questionable figures, that have fooled some people into thinking women are surging to Romney. Well, I say anyone who seriously believes that women have forgotten the "legitimate rape" and "forcible rape" spewings by Akin and LYIN' RYAN, Romney's running mate, must be smoking something. And after last night's debate with Romney and his women "binders" and the comment about letting his women staffers leave at 5:00 to "go home and make dinner" (Are you kidding me? God, what an out of touch idiot), there's no chance. The numbers for Romney, just like his tax plan, don't add up. He's not going to get the Latino vote, the black vote, the progressive white vote, the gay vote and womens' votes (and I think even some Republican women are having second thoughts). And he's lost even some of the elderly vote with him and Ryan's Social Security voucher plan. Demographically there are just not enough one percenters, teapartiers, angry white men and racists for him carry the election (God, I'd hate to look around and realize I'm part of that coalition).

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:53 AM

21. women aren't as fickle as myth implies

and I also find it hard to believe. If women support
Romney at all, I'm surprised. I suppose he reminds
some women of their dad.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:23 PM

31. I'm a member of a forum

made up of a lot of women from around the world who sculpt OOAK dolls. You wouldn't believe the hate from many / most of the women on it from the U.S. for Obama's Govt (and I'm sorry to say, for Obama himself). Ladies from the UK, Australia, Canada ... we've all chimed in with our stories of health-care, gay marriage rights, etc. and are almost always completely shut down. There's such a huge disconnect with many of them, a few brave souls from the U.S. have posted proof of the lies and spin from Romney's campaign, have spelled out plainly how Bain has hurt American workers - they don't believe a word of it, and immediately reply with the most racist, bigoted garbage I've ever seen. I am absolutely convinced now that much of the opposition to Obama does have to do with race ... something I'd never really considered seriously before, and it's very, very sad to see such a good man treated this way.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:41 AM

2. I wish Obama had brought up legitimate/forcible rape, Ryan etc...

But he did a good job.

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Response to GranholmFan (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:44 AM

3. Welcome to DU, GranholmFan!

The problem is - there's just so freakin' much material to work with, you can't possibly get it all in, within the prescribed timeframe.

Glad you're here - we need you to help us clinch this thing. It's not in the bag yet.







Now get to work.

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Response to calimary (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 04:55 AM

9. Some of that doesn't play as well coming from the President's mouth either

Trying to blame Rmoney for something some other Republican said probably isn't going to find much traction or it might wind up losing him more votes than he'd ever expect to gain if he comes across as petty.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:45 AM

20. He also has to balance calling out Romney on his lies, and talking about his own plans.

If Obama called out Romney on all his lies, he'd be there all night!

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:24 PM

34. I see that as a job better suited for soft money anyway

When it comes to attacking Rmoney, soft money ads can do that pretty effectively. Obama doesn't have to be the one doing it. That frees up Obama to tout his own record and plans.

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Response to GranholmFan (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:07 AM

24. I though about the same thing

And then I thought about how the President waited until just the right time to blast Romney with the 47% tape issue so I'm thinking now he's saving the legitimate/forcible rape issue for the last debate. I'm also thinking he's also going to bring up the Sensata plant (Bain) and Romney's tax returns as well in the last debate. Stay tuned.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:49 AM

4. K&R. Great headline.

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Response to Cha (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:17 AM

15. Great pic of the romster, looks like he's about to bite someone.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 04:56 AM

10. Oh wait..but Rmoney realizes women need to get home and make dinner!

bwahahahahahahahahaha

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:33 AM

18. women can not be paid the same as men

because employers have to give them more flexibility
to let them take care of their other womanly duties

is that the point Mitt was starting to make??

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:35 AM

26. Repubs don't believe in equal employment rights...

...except for white men of course.

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:19 AM

25. My Longeshoreman DAD made dinner

because he got home from work earlier than my Mom. This was 50+ years ago. Of course sexist Romney could never imagine anything like that.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:07 AM

11. Considering LDS views women,

first and foremost, as incubators and Rmoney's 'devotion' to his chosen cult, it does not surprise me at all, his views are 19th century.

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:25 AM

17. Single mothers are the cause of the world's problems according to Romney.

(That, of course, would include Obama's mother. How low could Romney go in a debate?)

No battered women's shelters for Romney. Oh, no. Women are never supposed to try to step away from their abusive husbands.

Romney really would take women back a number of generations.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:43 AM

27. Kids from single parent homes

have no chance at a bright future.

Look at these two examples:

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #27)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:48 AM

30. Precisely. Romney was trying to throw Obama off his game -- attack him on something

very personal in a subtle way.

Didn't work. Obama has already worked through his conflicts about his family background. Obama has a basically very healthy psychological profile I suspect. Romney is the one with the problems.

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #27)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:39 PM

32. Trying to tie gun violence to single parent (you know he meant women) households was lame even for

Mitt. Pop sociology at its worst. I suspect the single moms out there did not appreciate that one bit.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:47 AM

29. no shelters, contraception, abortion or Lily Ledbetter Act for R$.

His beliefs astound

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:42 AM

19. Romney prefers his women in binders.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:02 AM

22. K&R. Glad he did!

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