Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:45 AM
Adenoid_Hynkel (11,603 posts)
Pussy Riot duo sent to remote penal colonyLast edited Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:51 AM USA/ET - Edit history (3)
Source: Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Two members of the Russian punk band Pussy Riot have lost their appeal to serve their sentence in a Moscow pre-trial detention centre. They will now serve the remainder of their terms in a remote penal colony, where conditions are much tougher. A Moscow court last week upheld the two-year jail sentences imposed on Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, 22, and Maria Alyokhina, 24, over a cathedral protest against Vladimir Putin. They were convicted of hooliganism motivated by religious hatred. Read more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-16/pussy-riot-duo-sent-to-remote-penal-colony/4314908?section=entertainment
"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country." -- George W. Bush, conservative icon, on Putin
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31 replies, 3539 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| Adenoid_Hynkel | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| Comrade Grumpy | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| Savannahmann | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| defacto7 | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| starroute | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| lanlady | Oct 2012 | #25 | |
| icymist | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| mindwalker_i | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| Ash_F | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| defacto7 | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| knitter4democracy | Oct 2012 | #21 | |
| Mister K | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| onehandle | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| AsahinaKimi | Oct 2012 | #18 | |
| dipsydoodle | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| Piazza Riforma | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| AtheistCrusader | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| happyslug | Oct 2012 | #30 | |
| Posteritatis | Oct 2012 | #16 | |
| tabasco | Oct 2012 | #19 | |
| LiberalLovinLug | Oct 2012 | #20 | |
| NYC Liberal | Oct 2012 | #27 | |
| Ash_F | Oct 2012 | #28 | |
| Shireling | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| Megahurtz | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| knitter4democracy | Oct 2012 | #22 | |
| yellowcanine | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| hockeynut57 | Oct 2012 | #23 | |
| olddad56 | Oct 2012 | #29 | |
| PD Turk | Oct 2012 | #24 | |
| elbloggoZY27 | Oct 2012 | #26 | |
| Sunlei | Oct 2012 | #31 |
Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:10 AM
Comrade Grumpy (3,346 posts)
1. I bet Putin pardons them in three or six months.
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Then he will have punished them severely, yet appear magnanimous by freeing them.
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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #1)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 09:25 AM
Savannahmann (519 posts)
8. I don't think so.
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Authoritarians don't need to appear magnanimous. They need to appear strong and in control.
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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:18 AM
defacto7 (3,222 posts)
2. Your G. Bush quote is an excellent retort....
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Question... Why was one member given a suspended sentence and the other two sent to the penal colony? I haven't read any reasons behind the sentencing.
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Response to defacto7 (Reply #2)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 02:00 AM
starroute (10,385 posts)
6. I believe that one wasn't actually at the protest
Response to defacto7 (Reply #2)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 05:41 PM
lanlady (6,171 posts)
25. She didn't actually take part.
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Although she was at the scene of the protest, she was prevented by the police from joining up with the other two.
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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:32 AM
icymist (5,572 posts)
3. OH shit!!!
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These girls have been through enough! I'll be protesting this at my next gig tomorrow night!
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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:33 AM
mindwalker_i (1,465 posts)
4. yeah, where do they think they are, America?
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Oh wait...
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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:44 AM
Ash_F (1,735 posts)
5. The propaganda used to be that Russians were atheists.
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It looks here like they are more Conservatively Christian than the US.
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Response to Ash_F (Reply #5)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 02:50 AM
defacto7 (3,222 posts)
7. The Russian Orthodox Church
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Last edited Tue Oct 16, 2012, 02:54 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) is extremely conservative. Much more so than the Roman Catholics. Putin professes to be a staunch Russian Orthodox though I think it's just a public put on. Keeps the people opiated.
edit: FYI, Stalin wanted to be a priest; he studied for the priesthood. |
Response to defacto7 (Reply #7)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 05:01 PM
knitter4democracy (13,884 posts)
21. Conservative, yes, but that's to be expected.
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The higher-ups tend to be pretty reactionary, and the new patriarch seems to be all about power. Our bishop (the one who covers North America for the Russian synodal churches) gave a sermon at our anniversary last summer that was all about defeating the Muslims and kicking them out of Christian countries and worse. His translator smoothed things over by not exactly translating it right or in full. Anyway, it was more than a little shocking to us--Americans in a Russian church.
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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 10:37 AM
Mister K (366 posts)
9. Rura Penthe?
Response to Mister K (Reply #9)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 10:51 AM
onehandle (35,378 posts)
10. Which one?
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Response to Mister K (Reply #9)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 02:27 PM
AsahinaKimi (18,082 posts)
18. I was gonna say...
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I didn't know we had connections to the Klingon Empire yet....
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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:30 PM
dipsydoodle (32,575 posts)
11. "News" is from 10th October.
Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:41 PM
Piazza Riforma (94 posts)
12. They make it sound like a free speech issue
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when, in fact, it's about their busting into a church during services and proceeding to launch into a loud, offensive tirade. The fact is that had Pussy Riot did the same thing over here they would have likely got jail time as well.
If they wanted to protest Putin there are much more appropriate venues (incl. OUTSIDE the church) they could have chosen than to crudely interrupt people while they are worshiping. Imagine the outcry from many of the people on here if Ted Nugent burst into a mosque during Friday prayers and started singing a song that asks God to "drive the Muslims away". There would be demands for prosecution and jail time. |
Response to Piazza Riforma (Reply #12)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:52 PM
AtheistCrusader (14,152 posts)
15. And what sort of sentence would such a simple tresspass charge carry in the US?
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Fucking misdemeanor?
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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #15)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:07 AM
happyslug (10,746 posts)
30. I looked this up in August, the sentence would be about the same in the US for the same act.,
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What would be the sentence for the same act in the US? In most cases 2-3 years.
Under Pennsylvania law their act would be in violation of Section 3503 Defiant trespass: http://law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/crimes-and-offenses/00.035.003.000.html and as such a misdemeanor of the third degree, given people told them to leave while they were doing their "Protest". They would also be guility of § 5508. Disrupting meetings and processions. http://law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/crimes-and-offenses/00.055.008.000.html Which is another misdemeanor of the third degree This would also be § 5503. Disorderly conduct, another misdemeanor of the third degree. And under Pennsylvania law they could be sentence up to a year imprisonment for EACH misdemeanor of the third degree they are convicted of: http://law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/crimes-and-offenses/00.001.006.000.html Thus these three women, if they had done what they did in Pennsylvania would have been facing up to three years imprisonment. One year for each of the above crimes. Other states have similar laws. |
Response to Piazza Riforma (Reply #12)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:57 PM
Posteritatis (17,263 posts)
16. Gee, that certainly sounds like it warrants a trip to the gulag. Oy. (nt)
Response to Piazza Riforma (Reply #12)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 02:39 PM
tabasco (18,287 posts)
19. Yeah, Ol' Pants-Crapper would probably get Sing Sing
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for that trespassing offense!
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Response to Piazza Riforma (Reply #12)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 04:08 PM
LiberalLovinLug (2,024 posts)
20. Another false equivalency
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You can't equate a protest against a corrupt leader of one's country and a racist tirade against an identifiable ethnic or religious group in their own church.
They weren't protesting a religion or the church. They only used their stage because of how intertwined this church is with the state. The only equivalent I can see is if a peace group crashed an evangelical Christian church during Dubya's reign to protest the Iraq War with slogans like "Who would Jesus Bomb?"... Dang it, I'd have liked to see that! But there are a few Authoritarians on DU it seems. I see a lot of it on HuffPo. Many saying they should rot in jail etc....incredible. |
Response to Piazza Riforma (Reply #12)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 07:55 PM
NYC Liberal (15,599 posts)
27. "There would be demands for prosecution and jail time"
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And those demands would be wrong.
Being "offensive" should never, ever be a crime, let alone warrant jail time. I bet you they would not have gotten jailtime for offensive speech. Perhaps they might have been arrested for trespassing, which is entirely different. But no, they would not have been jailed for the speech. |
Response to Piazza Riforma (Reply #12)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 08:06 PM
Ash_F (1,735 posts)
28. I don't think anyone here would demand 2 years for it.
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They were held for 6 months without bail then sentenced to two years. One of the arrestees wasn't even there, but they were imprisoned for 6 months anyway.
The thing to be outraged about is the punishment, not the arrest. The night in jail, maybe a week, ok. But 2.5 years for trespassing is cruel. |
Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:02 PM
Shireling (230 posts)
13. My how times have changed
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In the 1970's, I was attending a church service when three guys burst through the doors in the pulpit, ran down the main aisle of the church and out the front doors of the church and THEY WERE BUTT NAKED!
It was called "streaking" back then, and people did it for the "hell of it" and some did it to protest. People would streak anywhere. I don't remember the reason why these guys did it. What was the reaction of the church members and the minister? They looked at each other and THEN THEY LAUGHED. It made the newspaper. The column about it was funny! Oh, but NOW they should be prosecuted. Boy, I sure am glad that I can remember what our country used to be. |
Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:24 PM
Megahurtz (6,913 posts)
14. They Did NOT Deserve ANY Punishment
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for exercising their right to free speech. I would not be surprised if they are being "made an example of" in this way, because they are women.
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Response to Megahurtz (Reply #14)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 05:03 PM
knitter4democracy (13,884 posts)
22. They're being made an example for all of the above.
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They're women, they had the audacity to say that the Patriarch and Putin are too closely tied (they are), they interrupted liturgy for a political statement--it's for all of it.
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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 02:06 PM
yellowcanine (24,444 posts)
17. Putting "pussy" and "penal" in the same headline could create some google issues.
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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #17)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 05:06 PM
hockeynut57 (220 posts)
23. my juvenile sense of humor
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had snickering at the headline too.
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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #17)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 09:48 PM
olddad56 (2,825 posts)
29. when I read the headline, my mind did wander directly away from protesters and prison.
Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 05:20 PM
PD Turk (1,028 posts)
24. ...
@ the headline |
Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 07:39 PM
elbloggoZY27 (283 posts)
26. Baloney
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Guess this is what you call real Socialism USSR version.
Let the ladies go. These ladies are no threat. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! |
Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:14 AM
Sunlei (2,214 posts)
31. we need an online place where these woman can have some worldwide support
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No scam charities. A way we can contribute some direct funds to their prison and/or assist their family on the outside.
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