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Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:44 PM

Florida to Use Different Academic Standards for Students by Race

Source: Huffington Post

Florida is putting in place academic standards based on the race of students in the state’s schools.

Approved this week by the Florida Board of Education, the new race-based standards affect all 2.6 million students that attend the state’s 3,629 public schools. The mandate stipulates that by 2018, 90 percent of Asian students, 88 percent of white students, 81 percent of Hispanic students and 74 percent of black students are to be reading at or above grade level. The state also wants 86 percent of white students, 92 percent of Asians, 80 percent of Hispanics and 74 percent of blacks to be at or above their math grade level, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

State officials say that the new benchmarks take into account the current performance numbers of students of color, but critics say they create different standards for the state’s students.

“Once we put students in groups, we give them very different opportunities to learn — with strong patterns of inequality across teachers, experience, and competence,” said one critic.

Read more: http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/florida-different-test-standards-race-affirmative-actio/

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Reply Florida to Use Different Academic Standards for Students by Race (Original post)
whopis01 Oct 2012 OP
Sekhmets Daughter Oct 2012 #1
heaven05 Oct 2012 #2
Igel Oct 2012 #9
heaven05 Oct 2012 #10
banned from Kos Oct 2012 #3
SoapBox Oct 2012 #4
YOHABLO Oct 2012 #5
The Green Manalishi Oct 2012 #12
freshwest Oct 2012 #15
Betsy Ross Oct 2012 #6
Socal31 Oct 2012 #7
whopis01 Oct 2012 #8
Igel Oct 2012 #13
PoliticAverse Oct 2012 #11
jtuck004 Oct 2012 #14
freshwest Oct 2012 #16
Carol Lynn Oct 2012 #17
flamingdem Oct 2012 #18
gordianot Oct 2012 #19
madrchsod Oct 2012 #20
Posteritatis Oct 2012 #25
Rain Mcloud Oct 2012 #21
vinny9698 Oct 2012 #22
crim son Oct 2012 #23
Sancho Oct 2012 #24
Posteritatis Oct 2012 #26
CBGLuthier Oct 2012 #27
Native Oct 2012 #28
Fresh_Start Oct 2012 #29

Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:01 PM

1. Time will tell

I will tell you this, it does not help children of any race or color when they are lumped in with children who can read at grade level when they can't...it discourages them. I entered elementary school in 1952...in third grade they began breaking us down into different reading levels, and we changed classes to go to reading. I know I was more comfortable being with kids who read at my level and it caused me to read more...I was moved up to the top level by the beginning of 4th grade. Sometimes I think the real problem with American education is this idea that one size fits all.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:01 PM

2. huh?

why? Everyone should be at an equal grade level after instruction. what's this divisive race stipulation. And is it saying something that blacks are last again with the lowest percentile expected? This is all very confusing, but it stinks of racism. Can't quite put my finger on it, but if it stinks, it stinks.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:21 PM

9. Yes, they should.

But they aren't.

Then the question is, what do you do with them?

That there's a racial correlation is beside the point.

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Response to Igel (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:31 PM

10. in this

country, race is the point. Always has been always will be in the US OF A. 19th century mentality with most of these stinking racist will never be purged. If race is in it, racist get busy...

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:14 PM

3. This is a standard to grade teachers - not students.

 

Teachers therefore will have lower expectations for black students.

I don't like it.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:18 PM

4. If it's anything that Gov. Rick "Medicare FRAUD" Scott wants...

it's bad. VERY bad.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:21 PM

5. What??

“Once we put students in groups, we give them very different opportunities to learn — with strong patterns of inequality across teachers, experience, and competence,” said one critic.

Oh brother, I don't get it. Why not just go and see what socio-economic background each student comes from, their nutritional needs .. the environment at home etc.. if your father and mother are both professional people, say doctors or lawyers, chances are the kids are going to be reading quite well.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:55 PM

12. Another Republican victory or two and

"Separate but equal" will again be the law of the land.

Not all Republicans are racist, but most racists are Republican. At least in my observation.

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Response to The Green Manalishi (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:43 PM

15. +1. And next, separate the boys and girls, because... you know...

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:23 PM

6. I want the link to be The Onion.

Wouldn't grouping students by their achievement level make more sense? This is just fucking racist.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:45 PM

7. What in the world is this carp?

Instead of addressing why the difference in performance by race exists, we will just seperate them out and hold them to a different standard, as if it is skin color or birth location that is the issue?

I don't like it one bit.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:51 PM

8. That is exactly what is going on.

It is self sustaining as well. Once you start holding one racial group to a lower standard, you will expect less of them, they will expect less of themselves, and in the future they will expect less of their children.

It is like twisting around cause and effect so much that the effect becomes the cause.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:55 PM

13. Fine.

Go and address why the difference exists. Look for the root causes. Except when you find them, you'll find that addressing all the roots causes does nothing to help the kids that are most of the way through the pipeline. Ignoring the current state of affairs punishes the kids and the teachers.

You need to do both. By and large, education researchers already know the answers they're trying to reach. They've reached the same answers for the last 50 years. The problem is, there's research showing that their answers rely on some bad assumptions. To question those assumptions is taken to show bad faith. When there's group think critical thinking is a fiction.

I like it but wish it weren't so. But it's unfair to expect a teacher to score "average" by raising one group of kids' on-level rate by 7% and the average of another group of kids by 18%. Not gonna happen and all you wind up doing is flogging the innocent and sparing the guilty.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:50 PM

11. Institutionalized Racism. n/t

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:58 PM

14. Are so-called teachers really gonna go to work and do this for the state? n/t

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:44 PM

16. Uh, will bi-racial students have to go to two classes? Fricking GOP Morans...

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:55 PM

17. This is disgusting.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:58 PM

18. What about Cubans? White Cubans from the country, Mixed Cubans from Havana?

You can't easily figure out race with Cubans they're so mixed. In one family you'll have blonde and blue and black. What would matter more then is socio-economic but how do they judge that? The good education received in primary grades in Cuba or the bad one in Hialeah?

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:41 AM

19. Every stereotype covered, what are they going to call it "leave children behind"?

Someone must have read "The Bell Curve". They did miss several stereotypes. Females should have lower mastery scores on Math. Fundamentalist Christians lower scores on Science. Eliminate critical thinking skills for children from Republican homes. My last two stereotypes only in America in the deep South. Last broad brushed sarcastic stereotype: Why didn't the come up with this in Texas?

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Response to gordianot (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 07:05 AM

20. it all ready is nicknamed at the federal level ...."leave every child behind act"

so it`s aptly named the same for florida

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Response to gordianot (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:33 PM

25. Seriously; ugh.

To think that Rushton finally went and died last week too, but it looks like it'll take awhile yet for his and Hernstein's ideas to finally go away. Argh.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:15 AM

21. I must be losing my mind.

 

Because,i'm reasonably sure that i read this right.
There is something like .003% genetic spread between You,Me and anybody.(correct me if i'm wrong)
For all intents and purposes,we might as well be identical.
The real differences between People comes from the social environment where the individual lives.
This just smacks,to me of preparation for a caste state,possibly leading back to a slave based economic system.
The solution it seems to me is to cultivate a society where creativity,acquisition of skills and knowledge,and understanding are valued instead of the might makes right,gladiatorial attitude furthered by the sports/military/entertainment industries.
I guess,i'm asking too much here from the self-regulated,rational self-interest crowd.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:59 AM

22. Will they apply these standards to charter schools?

Charter school are doing more poorly than public schools, but are left out of any accountability.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:43 PM

23. Here in Bangor, Maine,

there are different levels in each grade for certain subjects like math, science and English. Students are divided according to competence and not race, with input from individual parents and students, and the results are very, very good. Why not this system rather than judging kids by race?

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:16 PM

24. So would be the standard for President Obama?

If you are part white, part latino, part native American, part Eastern, part black, etc...do the nut cases in Tallahassee interpolate the difference? What a crock!

Typical of the racism here....

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Response to Sancho (Reply #24)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:34 PM

26. I have a feeling fans of this policy still go by single-drop re: racial descent. (nt)

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:37 PM

27. Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon

Less than 500 years to go and I would say we are well on schedule. Ford bless us.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:52 PM

28. God forbid they should do something reasonable like group by ability, but no . . .

they've got to make this a race issue. Only in Florida!

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:01 PM

29. omigod, affirmative action for whites

because they can't be expected to perform as well as Asians. LOL

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