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Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:36 AM

‘You should’ve served US better and died!’ Debt collector berates disabled veteran

Source: RT News

‘You should’ve served US better and died!’ Debt collector berates disabled veteran

A debt collector, angered that a disabled US Army veteran was living off of disability payments, told him he “should have died” in war instead of "taking advantage of" other Americans.

Minnesota-based debt collection agency Gurstel Chargo is now facing a lawsuit for verbally abusing the Army vet over a $6,000 defaulted student loan, Courthouse News reports.


“If you would have served our country better you would not be a disabled veteran living off Social Security while the rest of us honest Americans work our asses off,” one of the agency’s debt collectors allegedly told the vet. “Too bad, you should have died.”


Michael Collier was declared 100 per cent disabled after suffering permanent spine and head injuries while in the Army. As a result, both Collier and his wife receive disability payments from the federal Social Security Administration, which are exempt from seizure by debt collectors.

Read more: http://rt.com/usa/news/us-debt-collector-disabled-veteran-372/

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Reply ‘You should’ve served US better and died!’ Debt collector berates disabled veteran (Original post)
kpete Oct 2012 OP
gateley Oct 2012 #1
antigone382 Oct 2012 #45
williesgirl Oct 2012 #2
atreides1 Oct 2012 #26
George II Oct 2012 #35
AAO Oct 2012 #37
yardwork Oct 2012 #50
dchill Oct 2012 #3
kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #4
MrMickeysMom Oct 2012 #5
antigone382 Oct 2012 #46
qazwsx Oct 2012 #60
mimi85 Oct 2012 #6
JimboBillyBubbaBob Oct 2012 #38
freshwest Oct 2012 #7
Ash_F Oct 2012 #8
Proletariatprincess Oct 2012 #9
SCVDem Oct 2012 #10
julian09 Oct 2012 #11
spiderpig Oct 2012 #12
antigone382 Oct 2012 #47
spiderpig Oct 2012 #53
antigone382 Oct 2012 #54
spiderpig Oct 2012 #55
Tunkamerica Oct 2012 #13
Art_from_Ark Oct 2012 #16
Tunkamerica Oct 2012 #19
Art_from_Ark Oct 2012 #21
w0nderer Oct 2012 #28
Blue_Tires Oct 2012 #59
UnseenUndergrad Oct 2012 #56
Overseas Oct 2012 #14
Beartracks Oct 2012 #15
DiverDave Oct 2012 #17
antigone382 Oct 2012 #48
AsahinaKimi Oct 2012 #18
Berlum Oct 2012 #20
davidpdx Oct 2012 #22
Diclotican Oct 2012 #23
CreekDog Oct 2012 #42
Diclotican Oct 2012 #52
sulphurdunn Oct 2012 #24
Turbineguy Oct 2012 #25
Cirque du So-What Oct 2012 #27
HereSince1628 Oct 2012 #29
Odin2005 Oct 2012 #30
allan01 Oct 2012 #31
antigone382 Oct 2012 #49
ck4829 Oct 2012 #32
SoapBox Oct 2012 #33
gopiscrap Oct 2012 #34
Vidar Oct 2012 #62
AAO Oct 2012 #36
Beaverhausen Oct 2012 #39
emmadoggy Oct 2012 #40
elbloggoZY27 Oct 2012 #41
Smilo Oct 2012 #43
dorksied Oct 2012 #44
sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #51
aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #57
Dr. Strange Oct 2012 #58
budkin Oct 2012 #61

Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:39 AM

1. Oh my God!

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Response to gateley (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:26 PM

45. Here's the company's number if anyone wants to call them...

866-572-7282

It might be nice to tie up Gurstel Chargo's phone lines telling them how much they suck in order to keep them from harassing a few vets for a while.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:40 AM

2. Rmoney taught this cretin well. Hope a jury showsi

him it's not ok. Recd

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Response to williesgirl (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:35 AM

26. Give him a choice

Face a jury or face 6 vets...with clubs!!!

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Response to williesgirl (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:18 AM

35. I'm voting for Obama without question, and have been a "liberal" Democrat for 40+ years, but.......

........how is Romney connected to this situation?

Claiming that he is only falls into the same sewer that right-wing republicans do.

Take the story for what it is, don't draw any illogical conclusions that are clearly incorrect. Doing so give "Democrats" a bad image.

Thank you.

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Response to George II (Reply #35)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:22 PM

37. Makers and takers? 47 percent? You must be kidding... n/t

 

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Response to George II (Reply #35)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:49 PM

50. The abusive statements made to the veteran are essentially the same as Romney/Ryan campaign platform

The veteran is part of the 47% that Romney claims don't want to "take responsibility for their lives" because they pay no taxes. Romney didn't even bother to thank veterans during his speech at the RNC. The Republicans in Congress constantly just voted a few weeks ago not to extend benefits to veterans. The Republicans don't care about wounded and disabled veterans. Their message is encapsulated in the abusive words of that bill collector.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:41 AM

3. Another Romney/Ryan supporter.

Freakin' psychos.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:47 AM

4. The collector forgot to call him a moocher.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:54 AM

5. Dear "collector"...

Let's compare job descriptions of what this veteran has done and what you ended up doing...

Need we go any further? You know, if you had been a REALLY good debt collector, you would have broken legs for the mafia, instead of going after those who cannot use theirs further after being used up for the likes of serving country and protecting your filthy ass.

Kindly throw the fucking book at this piece of shit.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:28 PM

46. Gurstel Chargo's contact page http://www.gurstel.com/contact

http://www.gurstel.com/contact

info@gurstel.com
866-572-7282

Minnesota:
p 763-267-6700
f 763-267-6777

Arizona:
p 480-966-9300
f 480.420.2245

Iowa:
p 515-868-0462
f 515-244-0506

Tell 'em how you feel!

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Response to antigone382 (Reply #46)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:07 PM

60. Gurstel CEO information

The CEO of Gurstel Chargo deleted his profile page from their website. But, his contact information is viewable elsewhere.

CEO, Todd Gurstel
Phone: (612)664-8200

Fax: (612)664-8222

Email: t.gurstel@gurstel.com


Edward O'brien was supposedly the lawyer that threatened Mr. Collier. His work email address is: e.obrien@gurstel.com

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:07 AM

6. This is one

of the most disgusting things I've read yet. WTF is wrong with some people? My husband and I were just talking about a report we read (I've gotta find it) that shows that scientifically there is actually a difference between a liberal and conservative's brains.

Damn, this story makes me so sad - and pissed!

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Response to mimi85 (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:52 PM

38. Oh yeah!

The research supports the concept that we are wired differently. Those folks just plain think differently, which changes the whole dynamic of how you work with them. We must remain creative.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:07 AM

7. Good Randian. 'Only good soldier/worker who can't serve/work, is a dead one.'

That's the bottom line thinking of running this world like a business... All about the bucks. I hope this gets a lot of play somewhere... And that those veterans who hate Obama and plan to vote for Romney will take heed of this.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:14 AM

8. This person is some kind of living caricature of the Republican message /nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:36 AM

9. This over a student loan?

WTF? WW2 vets got the GI Bill that paid for a college education. In most civilized countries, higher education is still paid for by the state just like health care.
This is shameful. Even if he is exempt from seizure by debt collectors, he is still subject to harrassment by the debt collecting pigs.
There is just so much wrong and such injustice in this country that I dispair sometimes......

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:37 AM

10. This guy is Presidential material.

Tell me how he's different from Rmoney/Ryan and the Tea GOP?

I wonder if he ever heard of PTSD ?

Sleep tight dickwad!

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:16 AM

11. We owe him big time,the debt collector didn't give an ounce of flesh

 

while this guy gave a pound and sacrificed his future well being for his country.
The rolls should be reversed, the debt collector owes him. The selfish can never satisfy their greed at the expense of others.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:17 AM

12. I copied this and sent to my disabled vet (Vietnam) husband

and told him to take a pill before he read it.

He's deaf and disabled. (I so want to punch this Chargo jerk).

Pond scum.

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Response to spiderpig (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:32 PM

47. Send him their contact information, too!

http://www.gurstel.com/contact

info@gurstel.com
866-572-7282

Minnesota:
p 763-267-6700
f 763-267-6777

Arizona:
p 480-966-9300
f 480.420.2245

Iowa:
p 515-868-0462
f 515-244-0506

I understand since he's deaf he may not be able to call and bless them out (then again, he can just say what he thinks and not have to listen to the garbage that comes out of their mouths). He can definitely send an e-mail if it gets his blood boiling enough!

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Response to antigone382 (Reply #47)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:36 PM

53. Thank you, antigone

An old coworker who used to sound off at the ridiculous bureaucrasy used to say "I don't care if it does any good. If it makes me feel better, it's worth it."

Giving this info to Mr. pig. He doesn't hesitate to slam groups that dishonor vets. I think after 30 years together he'd put up with anything from me, but denigrating service personnel would totally cross the line (not that I'd ever do it).

Have to vent more. At what point do older/infirm/impaired people become such a drain on society that we encourage them to turn themselves into Soylent Green? In this era of Botox and bolt-on boobs, I find the most beautiful thing is an aged face full of kindness and wisdom. So much to share. But we're supposed to look on them as liabilities. Our loss.

OK - rant over.

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Response to spiderpig (Reply #53)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:11 PM

54. As a young person, I agree with you completely.

I find our society's lack of respect for its older members abhorrent, and other cultures do, too.

It really disturbed me how no one pointed out the awful way Jim Lehrer was walked over at the debate (mostly by you-know-who), and what made it worse was that virtually nobody pointed out the disrespect shown to an older member of society who should have been dealt with more politely, at the very least.

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Response to antigone382 (Reply #54)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:36 AM

55. The only thing that counts these days is the 18-35 demographic

And I have plenty of friends in that age bracket. They have been good to me and I love them to bits.

Speaking personally, many would ask me about 9/11 (relative to JFK's assassination and whether the world was as shaken as it was in 2001) and other things, and I'd always try to be nonjudgmental. As a matter of fact, the highest compliment my nearly 8-years-younger sister ever paid me was "I know we can talk about (whatever it was) because you're nonjudgmental".

It seems that over the years simple courtesy has gone by the board. Whether driving or waiting in line at the supermarket or dining in a restaurant.

I was in customer service for 30 years, and I can't tell you how aggravating it is to see jerks getting nasty to staff. We all get testy from time to time, but what does it benefit you to berate a - say - supermarket checker because the line is long. The employee has nothing to do with staffing, and I happen to be behind you in line, butthole, and have to listen to you complain on top of everything else. I always say something to the employee when I move up in the line like "that person was a complete jerk and you handled yourself very well."

Sorry to rant, but I really believe any worker trying to do his job is entitled to the same respect as a CEO (well, more these days).

Oh, Lord love a duck. Whatever that means.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:25 AM

13. Terible story

is RT.com an accepted source? they're pretty bad.

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Response to Tunkamerica (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:06 AM

16. Here's the story from Courthouse News Service

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:48 AM

19. so it was a paralegal, not a bill collector? i know 2 paralegals and the job requirements

are: be breathing, and be breathing.

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Response to Tunkamerica (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:30 AM

21. Apparently so

"Collier says he called Gurstel's office, and an unidentified paralegal told him he would have to sue to get the money. When he said the money was exempt veteran disability payments, "the assistant told Michael, 'F--- you! Pay us your money! You can't afford an attorney. You owe us. I hope your wife divorces your a--. If you would have served our country better you would not be a disabled veteran living off social security while the rest of us honest Americans work our a-- off. Too bad; you should have died.'" (Spelling as in complaint.)

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #21)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:09 AM

28. wonder how it would have sounded

face to face before Collier was injured, and when in uniform

mouthing off to someone who spent years training to execute the profession of 'war' isn't always a really brilliant idea

fortunately for the paralegal
1 Collier is disabled
2 Collier is more civilized than the paralegal

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Response to Tunkamerica (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 07:53 PM

59. A lot of shitty, low-rent law firms are getting into the collections racket

I've dealt with them before, and on cue they can turn incredibly unpleasant and unprofessional if the conversation isn't going in the direction they want it...And their threats/stonewalling when you dare ask about more details on your supposed debt is nothing short of illegal...

They count on their targets being easily intimidated, and totally ignorant of their legal rights, and they're usually right...

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Response to Tunkamerica (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:56 AM

56. Not so bad unless

The story involves

A. Conspiracies
B. rebellions in countries nominally allied to Russia.
C. Julian Assange
D. Putin with his shirt off

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:15 AM

14. Disgusting.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:57 AM

15. Romney has now made it okay to diss veterans.

Way to go, Mitt.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:55 AM

17. When you think they can go no lower.

Then this.
I'm so pissed off I could go and hunt this piece of shit down.
God damn him.
He is awfully lucky He aint around here.
I wish I could thank the vet for sacrificing his body...

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Response to DiverDave (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:33 PM

48. Give him a call and tell him so!

info@gurstel.com
866-572-7282

Minnesota:
p 763-267-6700
f 763-267-6777

Arizona:
p 480-966-9300
f 480.420.2245

Iowa:
p 515-868-0462
f 515-244-0506

http://www.gurstel.com/contact

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:57 AM

18. THIS IS THE REPUBLICAN ATTITUDE!

It makes me so mad, I could spit nails. There are not words harsh enough for Republicans. They just need their asses kicked out of government. What I am thinking now could not be printed here...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:24 AM

20. There's your steenkin Republican Chickenhawk Family Values

Pathetic debt collector (R) -- no doubt gets his philosophy from multi-millionaire Republican propagandist Rush 'DraftDodger' Limbaugh (R).

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:25 AM

22. I hope the guy wins millions

and is able not only to pay off the $6,000, but live more comfortably because of what these animals did.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:18 AM

23. kpete

kpete

Wow, that's hard words - and nasty words.. But somehow I suspect they can act that way, to get their money - and in the climate of outright hate for the disabled ones, this is something that is just the tip of the iceberg.. I suspect it is a few more stories out there to collect if anyone just want to do it...

To treat a veteran for one of US wars that way - distasefull... I hope the Veteran win the Lawsuit, and Curgstel Chargo, and the one who mistreated and misused the poor veteran that hard, will be fined out of existence.. In fact I hope the veteran will be given enough money to be able to live out the rest of the life in a comfortable way - and with no money problems what so ever...

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:33 PM

42. No they can't break laws and get their money --not legally at least

I hope this turns out okay too.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:44 PM

52. CreekDog

CreekDog

I suspect they at least will try to do it, inside the law - or outside the law - and if they is cough, they might have to pay a fine, who is less than a percent of their weekly earnings - so it might not even hurt them... And in the meantime, others who might have doing US a great service treat their "customers" the same way... Most pepole who have this problems, is to ashamed to really fight it - they just buckle under the preasure...

Diclotican

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:25 AM

24. If Wall Street CEOs

are our Pharisees, debt collectors are our publicans.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:27 AM

25. It's endemic

Too many people make their living fucking over other Americans.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:40 AM

27. 'Fuck you, pay me!'

The message is the same, whether it's from 'legit' debt collectors or from having Paulie Cicero for a business partner.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:13 AM

29. A pile of money protected from the vultures...

hardly surprising that the vultures are very angry

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:17 AM

30. Vile!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:22 AM

31. re: ‘You should’ve served US better and died!’ Debt collector berates disabled veteran

normaly i dont swear but who is this mother fucking cock sucker think he is ? god? most people dont know what its like on the front lines and or to be disabled and or not work . this guy gave the ulitmate sacrafice of mind. body and limb for his country and now cant work . im glad that the ariticle said that his income is exempt. the banks forgave the student loans of steve jobs and so furth, now they want the money back and going after folk like him .i hope he has a good mouth peice and wins big on that sop for defaming him like that. unless you do the walk and do the talk SHUT THE FUCK UP. ( ps i went and regeistered on sept 15 1970 my bday and was 4fd , at least i did my duty of regestring ) i wonder about that @#$%^&*( debt collector .di d he even register for selective service ? still required ya know !!( you should have died ) MEH

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Response to allan01 (Reply #31)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:34 PM

49. That is a beautiful rant. Now say it to them directly! Let them know!

http://www.gurstel.com/contact

info@gurstel.com
866-572-7282

Minnesota:
p 763-267-6700
f 763-267-6777

Arizona:
p 480-966-9300
f 480.420.2245

Iowa:
p 515-868-0462
f 515-244-0506

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:31 AM

32. Just plain vile

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:34 AM

33. ...stunning

And just what Pukes and Baggers would like...it's just business, ya know.



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:34 AM

34. All debt collectors are scum living off of the people's misery

BTW: irony here, my name is Michael Collier also

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 09:02 PM

62. Amen to that. Loathsome parasites in need of extermination.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:21 PM

36. I whispered those exact 3 words when I read this. And I'm not even a religionist.

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:53 PM

39. I googled this collection agency- tons of hits. They are infamous

Including trying to collect debts from families of the deceased.

http://www.startribune.com/investigators/103211324.html?refer=y

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:11 PM

40. !!!

Un-fucking-real.




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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:02 PM

41. Extreme Ugliness

 

Where else but in the good ole United States would a person make such a rude comment about a Veteran.

As a Vietnam Veteran I take these kind of comments completely sad and very ugly. It's the Patriots and Veterans of every War that saved this Country which should include those civilians who worked in Factories at home while their husbands, fathers and sons fought for the United States.

I have been to the grave sites of these hero's.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:52 PM

43. Send email to them..............

OMG this is so digusting so vile, so absolutely wrong and this agency should try being on the receiving end of their what their staff say.

Use this site to send them an email - http://easylawyersdirectory.com/legal_advice/message/gurstel-staloch-chargo_3708.html

This is their recruiting email - Shawna Christensen at shawna.christensen@gurstel.com.

info@gurstel.com
866-572-7282

Minnesota:
p 763-267-6700
f 763-267-6777

Arizona:
p 480-966-9300
f 480.420.2245

Iowa:
p 515-868-0462
f 515-244-0506

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:15 PM

44. I haven't read a story that infurated me this much in a long time...

and while I'm angry at the collector, I'm more angry at the fact that this has become a commonly used talking point on the right. I'm a registered independent, but I've never heard of a Republican worth my vote, so I vote Dem most of the time, but things like this, and the Right Wing narratives just push me further and further to the left.

Fuck the Right. Just fuck em. I hope they get mouth cancer and lose their god damned lying tongues.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:56 PM

51. So Alan Simpson got a new job?

Disgusting, just as disgusting as Simpson's claims that Veterans collecting their benefits were 'not helping the country' and seniors collecting the benefits they paid for were 'greedy old geezers'.

A totally Republican attitude.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:05 AM

57. I would hate to be the debt collector's lawyer if this goes before a jury

His lawyer should advise him to settle at all costs.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #57)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:36 PM

58. Actually, it's the lawyer that pulled this stunt in the first place.

But the debt collection agency’s lawyer continued to harass the couple. Telling Collier “he would need to get a lawyer in order to get his money back,” an unidentified paralegal cursed at and threatened him over the phone.


I don't know if that makes the collection agency at fault, or the law firm representing them.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:14 PM

61. Talk about a worthless excuse for a human being!

Karma is going to roast that son of a bitch.

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