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Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:33 PM

Mitt Romney's running partner Paul Ryan accused of stealing 'Bean' story from Kurt Cobain

Source: NME

Mitt Romney's running partner in the US election, Paul Ryan, has been accused of stealing an anecdote from the late Nirvana frontman, Kurt Cobain.

In last night's Vice Presidential debate (October 11), Republican congressman Ryan told a story about how his daughter Liza got the nickname Bean, when answering a question about abortion.

Gawker reports that it was quickly pointed out by Twitter users that Ryan's story was similar to Cobain's, who said he gave his daughter, Frances Bean Cobain, her unique middle name because she looked like a kidney bean on his wife Courtney Love's ultrasound scan. Ryan has stated that he is a big fan of Nirvana, as well as Rage Against The Machine.

In the debate, Ryan said: "You know, I think about ten and a half years ago, my wife Janna and I went to Mercy hospital in Janesville where I was born for our seven week ultrasound for our first born child. And we saw that heartbeat. Our little baby was in the shape of a bean, and to this day we have nicknamed our first born, Liza, 'Bean'."

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Read more: http://www.nme.com/news/kurt-cobain/66617

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Reply Mitt Romney's running partner Paul Ryan accused of stealing 'Bean' story from Kurt Cobain (Original post)
highplainsdem Oct 2012 OP
MrSlayer Oct 2012 #1
busterbrown Oct 2012 #25
Happyhippychick Oct 2012 #2
fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #3
jmowreader Oct 2012 #16
freshwest Oct 2012 #32
jmowreader Oct 2012 #66
freshwest Oct 2012 #71
jmowreader Oct 2012 #72
fasttense Oct 2012 #4
Scootaloo Oct 2012 #9
left on green only Oct 2012 #55
Lucky Luciano Oct 2012 #63
shawn703 Oct 2012 #5
KurtNYC Oct 2012 #6
fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #15
Kali Oct 2012 #24
Kolesar Oct 2012 #27
Rambis Oct 2012 #28
nolabear Oct 2012 #34
ermasdaughter Oct 2012 #36
DearAbby Oct 2012 #43
muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #50
donqpublic Oct 2012 #7
Auntie Bush Oct 2012 #54
kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #56
BlueJazz Oct 2012 #8
Live and Learn Oct 2012 #19
Berlum Oct 2012 #10
SDjack Oct 2012 #11
jayfish Oct 2012 #12
calimary Oct 2012 #18
jayfish Oct 2012 #22
LynneSin Oct 2012 #26
amyrose2712 Oct 2012 #37
IggleDoer Oct 2012 #13
CTyankee Oct 2012 #69
donqpublic Oct 2012 #14
tomm2thumbs Oct 2012 #17
louis-t Oct 2012 #21
Kolesar Oct 2012 #20
jayfish Oct 2012 #23
oberliner Oct 2012 #29
chelsea0011 Oct 2012 #30
RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #31
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #33
Brother Buzz Oct 2012 #47
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #35
alfredo Oct 2012 #38
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defacto7 Oct 2012 #40
StarryNite Oct 2012 #41
sarcasmo Oct 2012 #42
glowing Oct 2012 #44
progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #46
glowing Oct 2012 #53
wordpix Oct 2012 #57
wordpix Oct 2012 #58
FedUpWithIt All Oct 2012 #61
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toby jo Oct 2012 #49
mzmolly Oct 2012 #51
liberal N proud Oct 2012 #52
daleo Oct 2012 #59
2theleft Oct 2012 #73
StarryNite Oct 2012 #60
lonestarnot Oct 2012 #62
southerncrone Oct 2012 #64
yellowcanine Oct 2012 #65
truebluegreen Oct 2012 #67
onenote Oct 2012 #68
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:35 PM

1. I wouldn't be surprised.

 

These people are shameless.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:36 PM

25. And so fucking stupid. If he once stated that he was a Nirvana guy, then wouldn't he

be careful about stating something like that? He has no shame and really has no idea
what the real world is aware of.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:36 PM

2. A man who lies about his marathon time will lie about anything. He totally broke the runners code.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:36 PM

3. Lame!!!

Is there anything he won't lie about?!?

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:09 PM

16. That he's a Catholic

He also won't lie about being Paul Ryan. That's about it.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:47 PM

32. Or a devotee of Ayn Rand... Until recently.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #32)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:12 AM

66. Now it's Thomas Aquinas

Why they don't just break down and say they love Bastiat and Hazlitt I don't know.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #66)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:14 PM

71. The thought provoking parable of the broken window:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

Note that public works projects such as Obama has proposed and the diminishment of warlike activity, would not appeal to Romney/Ryan's philosophy.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #71)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 09:45 PM

72. There is another way to look at it, of course

In Hazlitt's book, he says that the baker whose window was broken must forego the purchase of a new suit, so therefore the town is poorer by one suit.

The whole broken-window fallacy revolves around another fallacy: that there is only one customer for either the window or the suit. Another way to look at it is, suppose the baker were going to buy a suit but now has to buy a window. (This of course leaves out the obvious assumption that the baker has been paying business insurance for SOME reason, and that he would of course call his insurance agent, tell him that a ruffian has chucked a rock through his shop window, and asks that the window be replaced under the provisions of his policy. The window replaced, the baker would then slip away to the tailor and get his suit.) This would leave a suit hanging in the tailor's shop. Unseen in this little tale is the lawyer. He would also like to buy a suit, but every time he tries to someone who doesn't wear suits to work like the lawyer does runs down there first--lawyering being very hard and time-consuming work--and snags it before the lawyer ever gets off work. Instead, because the baker has to stay at the shop waiting for the glazier, the tailor calls the lawyer and tells him he's put a suit behind the counter so no one sees it, and wants the lawyer to come over quick to buy it. Hence, the town is now richer by both a window and a suit. No, it will be richer by TWO suits--the suit the lawyer was able to buy out from under the nose of the baker, and the baker's suit he will be able to get because insurance keeps him from having to spend his suit money on windows.

The more pressing question is, does anyone ever go to where windows have been broken and talk about the great windfall in business that awaits a glazier? No, they more likely talk about the business that awaits the lawyer (who has to defend the indefensible ruffian whilst wearing his new suit), the jailer (who has to lock him up) and the street-sweeper (who has to clean up the shards of glass).

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:37 PM

4. My stepdaughter called her 1st born daughter bean too

because her ultra sound made the baby look like a bean. Though she gave her daughter a better real name. She and her husband just used it as a nick name.

I think it's silly. Why not call them tadpole or the blob?

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Response to fasttense (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:43 PM

9. My little sister was termed "Nugget" for about the same reasons.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:43 PM

55. I once had a GF whose name was Bean......

......only in her case it was a diminution of Belinda. Sometimes we (her people) also called her Beanie.

Just sayin. But I do think that Eddie Munster should be roasted on the spit of public opinion for his plagiarism.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 12:16 AM

63. We called our's the Little Bean too.

Actually, we called him Mame-Chan when we discovered by wife was pregnant. My wife is Japanese so think Mame as in edamame (bean) and "chan" is a term of endearment used at the end of a name. Throughout the first trimester - and especially after the first ultrasound, he was known as Mame-Chan.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:39 PM

5. Couldn't even tell a story from the heart regarding why he is pro-life

Had to lie about that too.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:41 PM

6. Romney/Ryan: Smells like team bullshit

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:03 PM

15. LOL !!!

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:32 PM

24. BWAHAHHA!!

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:40 PM

27. There's a lot we can do with this! eom

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:40 PM

28. That is Quality!

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:08 PM

34. BWAH! I genuflect in your general direction!

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:12 PM

36. HI-LAR-IOUS!!!

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:35 PM

43. MALARKEY! ....n/t

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:23 PM

50. You've hit the nail on the head

and won the thread!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:42 PM

7. That is going to put me off using kidney beans in my chili and i like my chili. n/t

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Response to donqpublic (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:38 PM

54. Well you could call your next child/grandchild Chili.

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Response to donqpublic (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:52 PM

56. You're supposed to use PINTO beans anyway, silly.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:42 PM

8. Could be worse: My parents named me "Ugly bag of mostly water"

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:21 PM

19. lol nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:45 PM

10. Ryan was just trying to say he gets weepy when it come to his Beanie Baby

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:50 PM

11. Retroactively, I'm going to name my

42 year old daughter "Bean".

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:54 PM

12. If he's a fan of RATM then...

he has no idea what he's listening to.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:18 PM

18. Yeah, no kidding! I noticed that, too. paul ryan - a fan of Rage Against the Machine????

paul ryan? WTF? Does he know nothing about Rage Against the Machine? Now there's some strange bedfellows.

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Response to calimary (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:26 PM

22. I'm sure he thinks it makes him sound super hip.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:39 PM

26. Kinda the same thing with Chris Christie being a fan of Bruce Springsteen

How can you claim to have seen over 100 Springsteen concerts and still have no desire to help the working class people of your state. No wonder Bruce won't return Christie's phone calls.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:15 PM

37. Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against'

Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against'

Rage Against the Machine's guitarist blasts Romney's VP pick and unlikely Rage fan


Paul Ryan's love of Rage Against the Machine is amusing, because he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades. Charles Manson loved the Beatles but didn't understand them. Governor Chris Christie loves Bruce Springsteen but doesn't understand him. And Paul Ryan is clueless about his favorite band, Rage Against the Machine.

Ryan claims that he likes Rage's sound, but not the lyrics. Well, I don't care for Paul Ryan's sound or his lyrics. He can like whatever bands he wants, but his guiding vision of shifting revenue more radically to the one percent is antithetical to the message of Rage.

I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "Fuck the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!




Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816#ixzz297bdLmgc

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:58 PM

13. When I heard the story, I questioned its truthfulness.

Ryan's wife was a DC lobbyist and he was a staffer for Sam Brownback before being elected to Congress, they pretty much were DC residents, only using the Janesville address to say he was from that Congressional district when he ran for Congress.

It is likely he spends much more time in DC than in his Wisconsin home. That's pretty common. If his wife was pregnant, it is likely that they would have sought monthly prenatal care in DC, rather than Janesville. As a result, my guess would be that the ultrasound would have been in the DC area (Virginia is for Ultrasound, anyway). He just threw in the Janesville comment to make it sound like he was a regular guy, rather than a DC insider.

Why couldn't he have simply said "When my pregnant wife had her first ultrasound, it looked like a bean." That Janesville crap was superfluous.

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Response to IggleDoer (Reply #13)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 01:38 PM

69. I think pathological liars just naturally want to embroider their lies with more lies.

My ex-husband's wife is notorious in the family for lies that are obviously gigantic lies. Little lies aren't enough for pathological liars. They have to be big, big lies...

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:01 PM

14. My thoughts

It may be a reasonable coincidence given the reply post from another DU member with a similar story, but this on the heals of marathon boast/lie it seems suspicious.

If he tells a story about how he and some friends recovered the Ark of the Covenant from Nazi's, then we'll know for sure he's a pathological liar.

I think he lives his life vicariously through stories he hears. I wonder if he purchased any stories from Kramer.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:12 PM

17. And I thought they called him 'Mr. Bean' because of his resemblance to...


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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:24 PM

21. "Did I o-winnn?"

"Ay yem win-ning"
Bean

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:23 PM

20. He's the one who likes all our pretty songs and he likes sing along...eom

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #20)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:28 PM

23. Perfect!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:41 PM

29. Running Partner?

Is that a British phrase? Does "running mate" have some other connotation?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:43 PM

30. Stealing from Cobain? Courtney will come looking for him, I would be very afraid.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:45 PM

31. I would probably call her

bag of protoplasm from a dumbass who can't use a condom.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:48 PM

33. stank of insincerity when he told that one...

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Response to trailmonkee (Reply #33)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:00 PM

47. Stories like that inevitable fail when the teller has no emotional investment in it

What were they thinking? I'm just saying

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:09 PM

35. Sounded like a scripted story

From the start like he was reading off a cue card.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:15 PM

38. I hope this goes viral

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:19 PM

39. "Republican hopeful for vice president digs grunge and metal, including Nirvana"

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:23 PM

40. He's too used to

stretching facts and stealing stories. Preachers do this all the time; it's like a fundamentalist tactic and the audience just accepts as fact. Anecdotes that are used and reused become a habit they think will always just slip by and they don't even think twice about it, they may not even think they're lying at the moment. These guys haven't learned you can't do this in the real world; people actually check it out and you are caught in that lie.

Lying as a habit is one of the hardest vices to break, especially if no one has ever called you on it before and in their circuit, it's a rampant technique for propaganda.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:26 PM

41. Liar and Thief!

He has no integrity. Which makes him the perfect candidate for the Rethuglicans.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:28 PM

42. Maybe Dave Grohl can call the Ryan camp and tell them to stop stealing Kurt's lyrics.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:49 PM

44. BTW, has anyone googled a picture of a 7 wk ultrasound?

The only people I know who have an ultrasound at 7 wks are those who are mandated to before having an abortion and those who are a high risk pregnancy. Just a question for women who have had ultrasounds, what stage of pregnancy where you in when you had your first ultrasound?

I know if you are a high risk pregnancy or older, you may have one (transvaginal)... but normally, its done later on in a pregnancy, as far as most of my friends have experienced. And 10 yrs ago, I'm not sure about a 7 wk old ultrasound? But every pregnancy is different and Dr's different in methods... So, who knows. It just seems an odd thing at 7 wks to do.

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Response to glowing (Reply #44)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:55 PM

46. yeah i thought that was weird. Usually they look like space aliens when you get the ultrasound. nt

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #46)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:33 PM

53. And there is no way, if it was a normal belly ultrasound that he saw a heart in a shape

that looks like a bean... My co-worker had an abortion at 6 wks... She thought the scan was her belly button. And the heart beat can be detected at the earliest at 8 wks, but normally closer to 10-13 wks... So, the guy is just full of shit.

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Response to glowing (Reply #53)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:49 PM

57. sounds like Lyin's tryin to alert women to the 7-wk. fetus with a heartbeat that doesn't exist

What a lying maroon

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Response to wordpix (Reply #57)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:52 PM

58. this website says the heartbeat CAN be detected at 7-8 wks by ultrasound

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Response to glowing (Reply #53)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:59 PM

61. I've seen a heartbeat flicker on my 6 1/2 week ultrasound.

It is clearly visible on most pregnancies at that stage. It looks like a flicker but it can be seen by a layman.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:54 PM

45. Oh Ryan, not EVERy woman has a rich family and insurance and a husband when she's pregnant.

thanks for your charming story. Tell us a story about a woman who works two jobs, has four kids, and find herself pregnant and without health insurance... who realizes that she can't stay home with a baby or pay for child care. Not everything is like your perfect little rich world, where you go into the hospital and hold hands at the miraculous little bean on the expensive ultrasound test.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:11 PM

48. Wouldn't be surprising

And not only because Ryan lies as easily as he breathes. He is a contemporary of Kurt Cobain's, born 3 weeks earlier. I don't know Ryan's musical tastes, but it wouldn't be surprising to learn that he was a fan. He would have come of age, so to speak as Cobain was a popular figure in the music world.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:20 PM

49. the next time the kids are out in the public eye, somebody should just up and

ask, 'so which one of you is Bean?'

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:28 PM

51. Love the graphic!



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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:30 PM

52. That might be why I didn't believe him

My bullshit alarm went of (but that was normal last night), I thought that republican politicians were just bad as sincerity.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:58 PM

59. Everyone looks like a bean

A human bean.

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Response to daleo (Reply #59)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:06 PM

73. Lol

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:20 PM

60. Is serial lying a prerequisite to running on the Repub ticket?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:37 PM

62. Meh. Asshole.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 12:19 AM

64. They cannot have an original thought of their own.

They constantly resort to stealing from others...not just money & resources, but life experiences. Pitiful & pathetic.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:24 AM

65. Remember the crap Republicans gave Gore in 2000 about details of some of his stories. Payback time.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:54 AM

67. This would be typical

of the guy with the sub-3-hour marathon, wouldn't it?

Does this guy have any real accomplishments, or original thoughts? Or is it all just appropriated BS to boost his own stature?

Actually, I don't need an answer to that.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 12:00 PM

68. Sorry to be a wet blanket, but this is a truly dumb story

You can look it up: "bean" or some derivative thereof is one of, if not the most common "prenatal" nicknames. I suspect that overwhelming majority of folks who adopt that nickname for a child haven't a clue that Kurt Cobain also gave his child that nickname.

There is such a multitude of easily established lies coming out of Paul Ryan's mouth that making a unprovable claim that will sound nothing short of desperate to the many many people who have used the same nickname or know others who have -- and thus undercuts the credibility of those pointing out the actual, provable lies -- is just stupid.

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Response to onenote (Reply #68)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 01:50 PM

70. True. And in both cases, it was a wanted child

and pregnancy. Ryan is taking his sentimentality about a wanted child as evidence that people who are in a position to want an abortion instead should consider that in their circumstances.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:33 PM

74. "It looked like a nacho."

You can insert any favorite food item. Maybe a new meme.

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