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Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:40 PM

Romney's Company Forces U.S. Flag to Be Lowered (REMOVED) in Illinois

Last edited Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Just heard on Big Eddie's radio show

"The Presidential Candidate holds major stock in a company called Sensata. The company recently made factory officials take down the American flag when they were forced to train their Chinese replacement workers, according to Tom Gaulrapp, with the United Steelworkers Union."

Read more: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october112012/romney-us-flag-tk.php



This is in Freeport, Illinois. Is this OK with you?

Remember when it was as if Obama was a traitor, because he did not wear a lapel FLAG PIN every hour of every day?

The parentheses in the headline are mine.

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Reply Romney's Company Forces U.S. Flag to Be Lowered (REMOVED) in Illinois (Original post)
MsPithy Oct 2012 OP
The Blue Flower Oct 2012 #1
democrat_patriot Oct 2012 #2
Guitarzz Oct 2012 #42
LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #3
KamaAina Oct 2012 #4
AllyCat Oct 2012 #5
MrTriumph Oct 2012 #6
KansDem Oct 2012 #7
Flashmann Oct 2012 #10
MsPithy Oct 2012 #24
Brickbat Oct 2012 #8
The Wielding Truth Oct 2012 #39
gopiscrap Oct 2012 #9
Gin Oct 2012 #11
bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #12
mrsadm Oct 2012 #13
Brickbat Oct 2012 #15
brush Oct 2012 #52
KamaAina Oct 2012 #16
N_E_1 for Tennis Oct 2012 #26
MsPithy Oct 2012 #30
magical thyme Oct 2012 #36
lunasun Oct 2012 #14
sevenseas Oct 2012 #17
mountain grammy Oct 2012 #25
MsPithy Oct 2012 #31
highplainsdem Oct 2012 #34
highplainsdem Oct 2012 #35
MsPithy Oct 2012 #40
strongermessage Oct 2012 #18
abelenkpe Oct 2012 #21
xxqqqzme Oct 2012 #58
AzDar Oct 2012 #19
abelenkpe Oct 2012 #20
Berlum Oct 2012 #22
Guitarzz Oct 2012 #45
N_E_1 for Tennis Oct 2012 #23
Brigid Oct 2012 #27
bobhuntsman Oct 2012 #56
Divernan Oct 2012 #28
DaveJ Oct 2012 #29
Petrushka Oct 2012 #32
madrchsod Oct 2012 #33
jn2375 Oct 2012 #37
Brigid Oct 2012 #44
99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #38
Dont call me Shirley Oct 2012 #41
Dont call me Shirley Oct 2012 #43
4lbs Oct 2012 #46
Peaceful Protester Oct 2012 #47
Peaceful Protester Oct 2012 #48
NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #49
Indep2992 Oct 2012 #50
il_lilac Oct 2012 #54
progressoid Oct 2012 #59
demgrrrll Oct 2012 #51
Dustlawyer Oct 2012 #53
joanbarnes Oct 2012 #55
wordpix Oct 2012 #67
bigbadR Oct 2012 #57
freshwest Oct 2012 #61
bobthedrummer Oct 2012 #60
aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #62
calimary Oct 2012 #63
Major Hogwash Oct 2012 #64
sarcasmo Oct 2012 #65
Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2012 #66
Tx4obama Oct 2012 #68

Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:41 PM

1. I hope this story spreads

What a visual.

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Response to The Blue Flower (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:45 PM

2. Let's spread it. Tweet, facebook, co-workers whatever.


I'm printing 20 copies of this article and leaving wherever I go. Especially near my repugs cubicles.

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Response to The Blue Flower (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:37 PM

42. This Should Be The #1 Story On EVERY News Outlet!!

This Should Be The #1 Story On EVERY News Outlet!!

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:46 PM

3. K&R and shared, thanks.

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:47 PM

4. I don't suppose anyone took any video of that?

Pleeeeeeeeeeease??

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:48 PM

5. My husband knows people who work there.

Freeport is hardly a booming metropolis and they need all the industry they can get.

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:48 PM

6. This is something PBO should point out in the next debate

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:48 PM

7. Why?

Why was the flag lowered?

I don't understand...

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Response to KansDem (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:59 PM

10. It seems,in my dim memories of Civics

Class in High School,(yeah I'm that old),that lowering the flag,outside of traditional times,is,if not illegal,at least a bad thing.....

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Response to KansDem (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:19 PM

24. I do not have documentation,

Last edited Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:38 PM - Edit history (1)

but, it might be that the US flag was lowered and the Chinese flag raised, when the Chinese arrived to get training in order to move the plant to China.

Ed Schultz is teasing the story for his MSNBC show tonight. We shall see.

Edit. After more searching, the part of the story about the Chinese flag being raised instead of the American flag does not have documentation. Let's all see what Ed says on his show, tonight.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:04 PM

39. Did you see this tweet?

YA BOY MITT ‏@YABOYMITT

"Your company has just been acquired by Bain Capital. I hope you speak Mandarin. HAHAHAHAHA!" #talklikeapirateday

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:58 PM

9. First of all: Welcome to DU

HOW UNPATRIOTIC!!!

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:03 PM

11. I watched the video and i think the flag was lowered

While the replacements were being trained.....then it went up again...

If romney owns 51% in the company....he's got a majority...someone needs to get him on this......the Chinese workers Make 99 cents an hour......greedy bastard.

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:04 PM

12. This, from "Mr. No Apologies"?

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:18 PM

13. I'm sorry BUT

the real concern here should not be the flag but the fact that Romney will profit from sending US jobs to China. This has been going on for years, and Obama hasn't done anythig about it either.

I had to train my own replacement in China, after working for IBM 28 years. I have no idea why there is no revolution in this country.

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Response to mrsadm (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:34 PM

15. Most Americans have shown that they don't give a shit about jobs going to China. But by God they'll

yell if something happens to a flag!

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:56 AM

52. Only if it's not their job

They give a shit when it their job. We have to get back to what the President says: "We're all in this together." If it's someone else's job we should care and raise hell also so pls pass this story on to as many people as possible.

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Response to mrsadm (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:35 PM

16. True dat, but the flag is a powerful symbol

that could draw attention to the jobs issue.

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Response to mrsadm (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:29 PM

26. Wondered the same thing for years

I feel that we are geographically too widespread.
Too ignorant of the political system.
Too ignorant, period. Our country has been "dumbed down" since we made an impact in the 60's- 70's
Education is not paramount anymore. Thinking is smart people will figure it out, then demand or force change.
Kept in fear of the military machine.
Believe in the propaganda news, spewed to us from all directions.
Lack of critical thinking, not taught in schools anymore.

I could go on and on.

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Response to mrsadm (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:48 PM

30. Of course! Shipping the jobs to China is the real outrage.

But, the low information, republicans, don't care. Either they think it will always happen to someone else, someone who just didn't work hard enough, or if their own job is outsourced, it is all the Democrats' fault.

Raising the Chinese flag in place of the US flag, is simple enough for them to understand as an insult to their prime symbol of their patriotic selves.

I for one, can't wait to point out to them which political party flies the Chinese flag on American soil!

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Response to mrsadm (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:34 PM

36. the symbolism is powerful nt

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:28 PM

14. This Freeport story should be out in MSM -all of it

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:36 PM

17. We are so brainwashed

by the Far Reich that even we Dems - and Obama - forgot to even bring it up at the debate that Romney's companies have been shipping jobs overseas.

OBAMA- READ THIS- DURING THE NEXT DEBATE- BE SURE YOU CALL OUT ROMNEY'S SHIPPING JOBS OVERSEAS!!!

And I love the article- but it is confusing the way they had the headline read "US Flag Lowered" because lowering the flag means someone died and it is lowered out of respect-there is no offense in doing that.

The article then went on to say the flag was REMOVED - which is an insult to our country.

So re-write that headline before you promote it any further. It takes away from the impact of what actually happened.

Thanks for posting it.

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Response to sevenseas (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:28 PM

25. Thank you...

good post and thanks for the expression "far Reich." Hope you don't mind if it becomes part of my vocabulary.

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Response to sevenseas (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:53 PM

31. Excellent point.

The headline is from the link. It does not convey that not only was the American flag removed, but the Chinese flag flew.

The details are not fully flushed out, yet. Ed Schultz will do a segment about this flag situation on his MSNBC show tonight.

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Response to MsPithy (Reply #31)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:30 PM

34. Re the Chinese flag flying - I tried to check this out after seeing it mentioned in a GD thread, but

all I could find was a Steelworkers video showing a Chinese flag flying as part of a protest against what Sensata was doing in Freepoint, with other sections of the video showing Sensata factories in China flying the Chinese flag. A Daily Kos story confirmed that a protester in Freeport brought a Chinese flag.

I think it's an outrage that the US flag was removed. But I'd have to see more confirmation of any rumors that the Sensata factory in Freeport flew the Chinese flag. So far people seem to be getting confused by that video.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #34)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:34 PM

35. Link to that GD topic, which has the Steelworkers video in a couple of the replies:

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #34)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:18 PM

40. Thank you for the further information.

I hope Ed's producers either have this part of the story nailed down, or they should focus on the flag being taken down, which is bad enough.

Ed should ask every American business that has not outsourced jobs to fly a flag out their window, or tape a flag inside their window in an act of defiance against Romney and other "job creators," who create jobs in China.

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:39 PM

18. Nothing is beyond belief ...

When I first heard about the plant closing a few days ago and knowing how Romney operates, my immediate reaction was that this could be a set-up. At the time, I couldn't imagine that with the potential damage that could be done to Romney this close to election day, that Bain capital would be closing a plant and shipping jobs to China. Now, this issue of the Chinese flag comes up. Maybe I'm too much of a conspiracy theorist, but I would not be surprised to see the process stopped and Romney be given full credit for and saving the day. These bastards have proven time and again that they will do and/or say anything for political gain.

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Response to strongermessage (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:02 PM

21. Welcome to DU! nt

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Response to strongermessage (Reply #18)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 01:05 PM

58. True. The factory is

set to close on November 5. How convenient!

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:50 PM

19. WTF?

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:01 PM

20. Forced to train their overseas replacements?

O how I know that feeling.

How can our nation even consider electing someone like Romney?

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:03 PM

22. There's your steenkin Republican Family Screw-America-First values

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Response to Berlum (Reply #22)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:57 PM

45. Romney.... Putting China First!

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:14 PM

23. Why not just fly it upside down, Mitt?

That's when you know you are in trouble!!

On another note... I feel that all who are running for public office should divest themselves of any private and public holdings.
Just to be able to run, part of the vetting process.
Not only in their own name but in all of their families names, no sons, daughters, wives, grandparents, uncles... etc.
And fu**ing prove it!!

Be above board, let no chance of any improprieties occur. You are here to SERVE us, not make money off us.

Public office is not the place to make money, other than what you are fairly paid. You are taken care of for the rest of your life, just because you served. Taken care of better than most of the American populace.
Bet Mitt wouldn't have even run if that was the law. Think of all the other "interests" that that are pandered to because this is not the rule! PAC's may have less of an impact.

Or am I just too naive? Sorry for the off topic rant!!

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:33 PM

27. Big Ed is going to go ballistic about this on his MSNBC show tonight.

Being forced to train replacement workers (or risk loss of unemployment benefits,I'm guessing): and to remove the American flag from a site on US soil? There are no words.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #27)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 12:47 PM

56. the trick is to intentionally train them badly!!

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:39 PM

28. Hey Mitt! 26 wks. severance in lieu of pension after 43 years is NOT the American Dream

As we all know, Romney/Ryan are campaigning on "Saving the American Dream!"

The article details one employee losing her Freeport job is Dot Turner, who is so close to retirement, but will not receive it.

Instead Dot will get just 26 weeks’ severance for 43 years of work in the plant.

Like Romney always said, "I like being able to firing people who provide service to me." Well Romney never gave the Rockport employees an opportunity to provide services. Two days after Sensata/Bain bought the company, it announced it was closing it down and moving it to China.

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:06 PM

32. Thank you for the link. Posted to my Facebook wall.

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:18 PM

33. freeport is a really big deal...

tomorrow there are people from france going to talk about what bain did to them. last saturday julian bond spoke to the people there.

facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/save.ourjobs.1

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:36 PM

37. Big Eddys doing a documentary on this tonight on his show. Everyone tune in!!!

He said it's revetting

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Response to jn2375 (Reply #37)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:47 PM

44. Must see!

Thanks for the PSA!

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:46 PM

38. Who Knew? Happening right under voters' noses, yet **crickets** from M$M

The M$M certainly isn't touching this with a 20-foot poll, however Democracy Now! did
an awesome segment on it recently.
Here's a link: http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/10/as_bain_ships_jobs_to_china

According to this, things are getting quite nasty, with fired workers having huge
encampments outside the plant, arrests, etc.

Yes, spread the word.

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:31 PM

41. Shouldn't the company's name be Swastika

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:38 PM

43. This is what rmoney is planning on doing to the rest of the US, wake up America

VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN and for the rest of the DEMOCRATS

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:44 PM

46. The bad thing is that there was absolutely no need to outsource.

Sure, from a business standpoint, maybe outsourcing can be justified in the slightest (but still unethical) sense, if the company is struggling.

However, this Sensata plant was highly profitable.

There is no logical reason to outsource, and ship jobs overseas.

Throw in essentially committing treason at a corporate level by taking down the US Flag and putting up the flag of another country, and you have a problem.

At one company I worked for, they flew 3 flags, but did it in the proper way.

First, the US Flag was there, flying highest of all. Then the state flag of California, was next to it, but a little lower. Then, because the company was close to the Mexican border, the flag of Mexico was next to them, but below both.

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:50 PM

47. youtube.com/watch?v=7822X4cE-LI

In this short youtube clip (17 sec) from the link above, Romney accidentally tells the truth during the 2012 Presidential Debate, "The place you put your money makes a pretty clear indication where your heart is!"



For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. ~ Matthew 6:21

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:10 PM

48. Thanks, Ed. Thank you for airing this story!

"The second topic, which is you said you get a deduction for taking a plant overseas. Look, I've been in business for 25 years. I have no idea what you're talking about. I maybe need to get a new accountant. But the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case."

~ Mitt Romney, presidential debate, University of Denver



Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Evanston) has joined workers in asking Romney to show up and help.

Illinois' Governor Pat Quinn has visited the workers in Freeport, and asks Congress to pass the Bring Jobs Home Act. The Bring Jobs Home Act would eliminate the tax breaks that encourage companies like Bain and Sensata to close factories here and send the jobs and the work to countries like China, with the cash stopping off in the Cayman Islands for a quick tax cleansing. The Bring Jobs Home Act was recently filibustered by Senate Republicans.

Sensata workers collected 35,000 petition signatures, asking Romney to come to Freeport to help save the workers' jobs. This video shows what happened when they tried to deliver these petitions and a letter at a Romney campaign office in Madison. Instead of accepting the letter and petitions, the campaign locked them out and called the police.

Source: OurFuture.org



The Sensata workers have had to train their replacements from China, and had their severance packages reduced. They are now fighting to save their jobs in Freeport, Illinois from being outsourced to China.

Source: BainPort.com



Sensata workers attack Romney's profit 'harvest' comments

"He's getting a tax break on Sensata stocks while Sensata sends our jobs to China," said Sensata worker Cheryl Randecker.

Source: RockRiverTimes.com



Mitt Romney Gets Tax Break Off Firm Sending Jobs To China

The workers have pleaded with GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, the founder of Bain Capital, to exert his considerable influence to save their jobs. So far, he has declined to weigh in, and the factory is scheduled to close by the end of the year.

Source: HuffingtonPost.com

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:15 PM

49. K/R (nt)

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 01:15 AM

50. There is a YouTube video story of this which is so touching PLEASE WATCH :'(

 



I am new, but can someone share this link as a new thread somewhere please? This absolutely needs to go viral. This will debunk Romney's apparent "employment" advantage (I'm referring to Lindsay Lohan and low info voters).

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Response to Indep2992 (Reply #50)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:43 AM

54. Awesome (sad) video

Thank you for posting and welcome to DU!

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Response to Indep2992 (Reply #50)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 01:51 PM

59. +1

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:52 AM

51. Rev Al had this story last night

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:27 AM

53. Let the free market speak, STOP SHOPPING AT FUCKING WALMART!!!!

Almost everything they sell now is Chinese! When Sam Walton was alive, Walmart boasted "Made in America!"

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:46 AM

55. This is how Mitt 'gets tough' on China.

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Response to joanbarnes (Reply #55)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:34 PM

67. he doesn't like China anymore b/c workers are demanding 1.00/hr. instead of $.99

They're cutting into Willard's profits too much, those Chinese

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 12:56 PM

57. Wake up everybody

My God when will people realize that these multinationals like Bain Capitol, Exon-Mobile, Walmart, etc., etc., etc, have absolutely no allegiance to any country, their allegiance is to the bottom line, the almighty dollar. The people who run, serve on the boards and own the largest shares in these companies don't give a tinkers damn about any constitutional democracy. After doing business in China and other non-democratic countries they all see that a totalitarian state like China is great for the bottom line. Don't kid yourself China is no longer a communist state it is an ubber-capitalist state with a totalitarian government. Democracy is a system of governance. Capitalism is a system of economics. Communism is a system of economics. Totalitarianism is a system of governance. The big question here in America in this election and every election in the foreseeable future is whether or not we want to live in a democratic country with a capitalist economy or do we want to live in a totalitarian state with an ubber-capitalist economy. Many of the 1% and their sycophants believe that freedom means only the right to make as much money as possible regardless of the effects of this activity. Deluded people all. Time to stop them from wielding any power over any of us.


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Response to bigbadR (Reply #57)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:27 PM

61. +1,000. And welcome to DU.

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:11 PM

60. Noted by we, the people in Wisconsin. K&R n/t

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:11 PM

62. Romney will pretend he's never even heard of Bain Capital

and despite the fact Romney still has millions invested in Bain funds. Even now! I hope Obama will challenge Romney to completely divest himself of Bain investments funds and avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest. Even Bush transferred all his money into treasuries when he became President.

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:52 PM

63. Kick!

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:40 PM

64. This should be a national story, Mitt owns 10 companies in conjunction with Chinese owners.

Mitt owns 51% of the Sensata company, and one of the plants is scheduled to be shuttered on November 5th, the day before Election Day.
That takes a lot of gall, closing a plant you own a day before you want to be elected President of the United States.

The work at the plant is being transferred to China, and the American workers will be laid off when the plant is closed.
Right there in Freeport, Illinois.

You would think some reporters would want to talk about this on national tv.
You might even wonder if Candy Crowley is even aware of this story.
You may question why Anderson Cooper hasn't mentioned this at all on his program.

It's not like this is a national security issue, or a big secret, or anything like that.
It's been written about in Freeport, Illinois for the last several weeks and months.

Ya know, right here in the good, ol' US of A.

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:13 PM

65. Kick!

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:48 PM

66. TWEET, TWEET

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Response to MsPithy (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 09:17 PM

68. Kick! n/t

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