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Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:55 AM

Romney: ‘We Don’t Have People Who Die Because They Don’t Have Insurance’

Source: Think Progress

Romney: ‘We Don’t Have People Who Die Because They Don’t Have Insurance’
By Rebecca Leber on Oct 11, 2012 at 9:35 am

Mitt Romney doubled down on his suggestion that uninsured Americans can find the care they need in emergency rooms, telling The Dispatch that people will always receive the treatment they need, and do not die or suffer because they can not pay for care. He pointed to federal law that requires hospitals to admit emergency patients, repeating his advice that patients rely on the most expensive form of care reserved strictly for emergencies. Romney told the Columbus Dispatch:


“We don’t have a setting across this country where if you don’t have insurance, we just say to you, ‘Tough luck, you’re going to die when you have your heart attack,’  ” he said as he offered more hints as to what he would put in place of “Obamacare,” which he has pledged to repeal.

“No, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it’s paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital. We don’t have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don’t have insurance.”



He pointed out that federal law requires hospitals to treat those without health insurance — although hospital officials frequently say that drives up health-care costs.

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/11/990281/romney-uninsured-hospital/

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:58 AM

1. Keep yapping Willard....

..it's all downhill for you from here on out.

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:44 AM

38. My first reaction as well

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 06:29 PM

156. People who need chemo treatments die if they can't afford it and no charity for them.

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Response to SharonAnn (Reply #156)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 01:29 PM

203. My best friend died because he didn't have insurance

He had Congestive Heart Failure. He was a year short of having medicare kick in.
He had his working hours shortened to three days a week because of the recession.
He lived with and supported his sister.
He could not afford health insurance.
When his sister wanted to call an ambulance he said no, because he couldn't afford it
He died in his bed at home, temporarily saving his sister from being thrown out in the street by creditors that he knew he would have if he had gone to the hospital.
Yes, people die at home without insurance.
People are making life and death choices because of poverty and no insurance.

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:45 AM

76. Emergency rooms aren't free

They don't treat for free...they bill poor people at the inflated non-insurance rate until they are bankrupt. Then, after hounding them for years they may give up.

Romney needs a doctor...he is terminally stupid.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #76)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:08 PM

91. ^this

And typically if the patient can't pay right away, they make them pay on a plan at hiked interest rates.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #76)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:33 PM

101. He should see a brain specialist...

I suggest Dr. Gumby

http://m.

It will have to come out.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #101)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:55 PM

137. LOL

Thanks for reminding me of this.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #137)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:35 AM

185. There is something wrong...

with my head. I can almost always relate any statement back to Monte Python.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #101)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:22 AM

184. Wouldn't he need to HAVE one first? nt

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #76)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:33 PM

102. They don't treat for free.

Not to mention.... the EMERGENCY room is for EMERGENCIES.

And dialysis and chemo patients can just run down to the emergency room for treatment?

Who believes this crap? Not Rmoney that's for sure. Lying bastard!

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #76)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:38 PM

133. hahaha

Hey,
Thanks for the afternoon laugh during a rough day at work. Terminally stupid, I love it.

Peace

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #76)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 04:38 PM

145. Oh, stop complaining...you can just borrow twenty thousand dollars from your parents, doncha know!!!

For any lurking alerters: Do I need to whip this out?

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #76)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 06:19 PM

155. Mike Malloy: Hey Mitt, emergency rooms are NOT for primary health care!

(from the 9/24 Mike Malloy Show)

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:39 PM

108. SURE IS!!!

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:26 PM

173. I have never seen such a disconnect

By an educated person between the way he thinks things are and reality. It's just mind boggling. What is wrong with him?

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:11 PM

196. suggest everyone who's had a family member die due to lack of insurance write to OFA with stories

O can use the best one or two for his next debate and maybe that will fire him up a bit.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:00 AM

2. 45,000 people die in the U.S. each year - one every 12 minutes - because they lack health insurance

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/09/17/us-usa-healthcare-deaths-idUSTRE58G6W520090917

Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance
By Susan Heavey
WASHINGTON | Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:11pm EDT

(Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.

Overall, researchers said American adults age 64 and younger who lack health insurance have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those who have coverage.

The findings come amid a fierce debate over Democrats' efforts to reform the nation's $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare industry by expanding coverage and reducing healthcare costs.

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Response to jsr (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:02 AM

5. Beat me to it

BTW if only a really good institute would look at the #s

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Response to jsr (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:09 AM

10. Damn you're fast.

This is stupid. A fact that can easily be proven wrong.

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Response to bamacrat (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:34 PM

103. Mittens seems to specialize in those

one for every occasion, and bulk rates for debate performances.

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Response to jsr (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:38 AM

28. It's 100,000 deaths per year

100,000 people die in the U.S. per year due to lack of health care. Insurance != care. Rmoney is a psychotic liar.

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Response to jsr (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:41 AM

32. Meh. Harvard Med School.

What do they know?

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Response to jsr (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:07 AM

53. First he denies the 45% and now the 45K. /nt

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Response to jsr (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:55 AM

83. A great line of attack for Obama would be to say how many people have died

From a lack of insurance during the 90 minutes they spent debating. He could use it in his closing argument and I think it would be very powerful.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:01 AM

3. Outside of the 45,000* who do die you can't find any

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/september/harvard_study_finds_.php

Harvard study finds nearly 45,000 excess deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage


* 2009 #s ... it might have gone down now w/ the affordable care act.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:01 AM

4. Use some of your millions, Willard, to BUY YOURSELF A CLUE!

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Response to City Lights (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:12 PM

197. good line!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:03 AM

6. Or written off by the hospital after the person dies or files a medical bankruptcy

fucking MORAN!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:06 AM

7. In Willard's world, apparently a heart attack is the only thing that can kill you.

Here in the real world, his own damn WIFE would have died of breast cancer had she lacked insurance.

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Response to beac (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:16 AM

14. I don't know but why would Romney buy insurance?

He has enough money to cover his healthcare, his children's and his grandchildren's without ever needing insurance. I would think someone of his means would just pay for his healthcare as it goes. Maybe I'm wrong. I would imagine, he could afford the best doctors, the best hospitals and wouldn't bother with paying for insurance. If you pay cash for your services, I would imagine most doctors would take that over filing the insurance and waiting months and months to get paid back what little the insurance would allow. IMHO

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:36 AM

27. I'm quite sure Mittens and the Duchess have had health insurance their whole lives.

Why? Because, when paying the premiums is no problem, you SAVE money on health care. Think Mittens would have missed a chance to "take advantage of savings"??

As of March, he is eligible for Medicare. Wonder if he's taking advantage of that too??

In any case, we agree that his VAST wealth makes it impossible for him to understand the financial struggles mere mortals face when it comes to health care.

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Response to beac (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:24 AM

62. I didn't realize he was 65 years old. He has aged well. However,

I now understand his stances. He has dementia and they are hiding it, because they only need a titular head. Also explains the deer in the headlights look he is constantly giving. WOW, we really need another mentally ill President.

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Response to juajen (Reply #62)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:23 PM

130. It is the black hair dye

used every where but his temples. Those are left natural because it looks 'distinguished' His hair would look like Bill Clinton's if it wasn't colored. Which would be a better look.

He should have aged well. He has never done any physical labor in his life. I would guess he gets a weekly massage, has a manicure and a hairdresser to keep his hair perfectly trimmed. I suspet his ego demands it.

I doubt there has ever been any dirt under those fingernails. Hell, at least dimson got sweaty and dirty 'cuttiin' brush'

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #130)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:20 AM

191. I noticed the dye, too

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Response to beac (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:59 AM

86. good points

and I can bet that if he has paid into Medicare, he'll take the money back. He wouldn't miss out on 'free' coverage now wouldn't he?

And they have NO IDEA what's it like to worry about getting sick. Never ever (ever!) would they understand how medical bankruptcy goes in this country. It's downright barbaric that it is allowed.

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Response to beac (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 05:25 PM

149. I don't think that is a given.

In a prior job I occasionally worked with people in that wealth category. They typically self-insured unless covered by an employer or govt plan. Given his history of privilege, I think one reason he is clueless about this is that he may be like them. We know he is empathy challenged, so that if he doesn't personally experience a problem first hand, he doesn't get it.

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:36 AM

67. Sometimes very wealthy people have

a high-deductible insurance policy because they can afford to pay out of pocket. But, and here's a very important and very little understood aspect of carrying health insurance of any kind, they have the policy so that they are billed the lower insurance company costs for care, NOT the high rates those who truly have no insurance are charged.

And since almost all of his income has come from investments and fees, not earned income, it's possible he never paid into Medicare long enough to qualify for it. Think about it. If I'm right, that's just another reason why people like him simply do not get why SS and Medicare are so important for such a large portion of the population.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #67)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:57 AM

85. good points SheilaT nt.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #67)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:35 PM

106. Correct. An important point, +1.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #67)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 05:26 PM

150. Yes, very good points

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:14 PM

94. Many Doctors cater only to wealthy clients

A couple of years ago, I had some medical issues that required immediate treatment. I thought I had good Medical Insurance coverage, but my Doctor told me that the Specialists who she would have preferred to have me see, would not see me, because they did not accept patients with my insurer (Aetna). If I had been able to pay Cash, there would have been no problem. The Specialist who did see me, told me there was nothing he could do for me. Unless I die suddenly, and unexpectedly, It is what will probably do me in. What was once treatable, is now un-treatable.

This probably would not have occurred under a single-payer system.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:07 AM

8. He won't get away with this one.

There are too many people who know the stories of people dying for lack of health insurance.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:08 AM

9. Statement true, but...

old Mitt sure made a destintion, by saying the person that is sick, etc. is INSIDE the ER or hospital, and even tried to throw in a federal law....but the problem is, it was an asinine statement. Then he should have shut up, but nooooo, he is such a politician that he had to ram that foot just a little bit deeper into his mouth when he stated, " we don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance." ASININE, ASININE....

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Response to PaPaw_Mamaw (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:27 AM

19. Welcome to DU.

I still don't see how that adds up to "statement true" for you. It's not true, people DO die for lack of insurance in this country.

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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:34 AM

24. You are absolutely correct!

Included in these are the people who do not see a doctor at the first warning signs because they don't have health care. They get worse, a lot worse. By the time they are in crisis and make it to Romney's emergency room, it is too late and cannot be reversed. I get so upset with mittens saying stuff he knows NOTHING about. It is infuriating!

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Response to PaPaw_Mamaw (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:35 AM

25. No that statement is NOT true.

The Harvard study examining this issue found that 45,000 Americans die every year because they do not have access to health care BECAUSE they do not have insurance. Quit spreading lies.

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Response to PaPaw_Mamaw (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:23 AM

61. welcome to DU!

He just has no idea, does he? Not only is he wrong about people who die because they don't have insurance--there are people who can't afford treatment AND there are people who don't get early warning signs checked out because they can't afford the doctor--but he is completely oblivious to the fact that lives can be shattered by medical bills. He just doesn't have a clue of what life is like for most people.

Welcome to DU! What a cute user name!

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Response to PaPaw_Mamaw (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:45 AM

77. Welcome

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Response to PaPaw_Mamaw (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:00 PM

113. My dead cousin didn't really die? Thank you for letting me know. Tell him I miss him and wish he'd

call. since he didn't die from not having insurance so didn't get the health care he needed to stay alive. At 21 yrs old.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #113)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:44 PM

179. i'm so sorry to hear that

i was livid when i heard that. I don't personally know anyone who was in that situation. The closest i ever got to it was during Andy Stephenson's cancer treatment. DU'ers raised money for his surgery. It was the only way he could get it.

Your cousin deserved better.




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Response to shireen (Reply #179)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:50 PM

180. It sucked. "if only" was what many were thinking afterwards.

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Response to PaPaw_Mamaw (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:18 PM

129. No, there is no truth to that statement.

People die for a lack of health insurance every day in the USA.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:10 AM

11. Trying telling that

To someone who has cancer or any other long term medical problem. No emergency room in the world would help. I guess Mitt keeps bringing up heart attacks because that's what happens to 1%-ers when they spend all their time worrying about hoarding their riches.

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Response to allinthegame (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:22 AM

17. Exactly. Welcome to DU!

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Response to allinthegame (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:46 AM

41. exactly! (and welcome btw)

It has hit home to me personally many times in the last 10 years. I am fortunate that I do have (good) health insurance. Without this my son would be in a far worse state than he is now, possibly even dead due to kidney failure. I may have died through suicide as my mental health deteriorated over the past few years.

Again I am fortunate as I am British and my sons are entitled to British Citizenship through me. Worst case scenario is we are on the next plane to London. That sadly is not the case for millions of Americans and in a "First World" country where mass temporary free clinics in poor areas happen to even exist... it shows that a lot of the powers that be (not all of them) just don't care. They lack a heart. In America I don't believe compassionate conservatives even exist. Can America claim to be a first world country anymore?

America: please prove me wrong. Show me America does care. Show me America looks out for each other. In the hymn I sung at many a school assembly - "when I needed a neighbour were you there... and the creed and the colour and the name won't matter, were you there?" ... is America there? I just don't know anymore.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #41)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:45 AM

75. Good Question

Please tell people in England what you witnessed here...

The loss of even a semblance of Democracy.

The outrageous lying and lack of integrity of many (if not most) public officials and politicians.

The corrupt and lying media (thanx Rupert).

The callousness of a health system that doesn't work.

The looting of the middle class.

The rise of the churches and their invasion into every aspect of individual rights.

The completely dysfunctional (s)election "system" where elections are stolen and innocent citizens are disenfranchised every day.

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Etc etc--well, you know the rest.

TELL people --anyone who can't imagine what is going on here. It's really true. And it is at every level of sciety.

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Response to allinthegame (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:52 PM

122. Yes. Just march right into that emergency room and demand your chemo and your meds.

After all, the emergency room is required by federal law to treat you -- and tell them Romney said so.

That's what we should do. Round up some homeless people who don't have healthcare and take them to the emergency room and make a video of what happens.

If they are treated -- if -- for a chronic condition, they will be told to make a follow-up appointment with their doctor -- which they cannot do because no doctor will treat them if they have no insurance. They will at most be given a small supply of meds and sent to a free clinic of some sort.

For those with serious chronic conditions, it's either good luck or sayonara.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:13 AM

12. I guess this answers the age old question of …

How clueless does someone have to be to run as the GOP candidate for president?

Pretty fucking clueless.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:13 AM

13. Paging Politifact.........

care to check this fact?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:09 AM

54. may I tweet your tag line?

"Memo to GOP: Refusing to help solve problems isn't leadership, obstructionism isn't governance, and wanting your President to fail isn't patriotism."

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #54)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:29 AM

66. Absolutely

Glad you like it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:21 AM

15. Not among the rich and fashionable people he knows. So it's not a lie to him.

He just doesn't know about the other millions of Americans who get sick every year and have no insurance. So they are 'treated' in the emergency room. Some make it. Some don't. Jacka$$

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:22 AM

16. I'm just annoyed by the fricking double negative

Don't have no ......don't die

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:44 AM

37. THAT is what annoys you about his comment?

Surely you jest.

Actually, I'm sure you jest.

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Response to VWolf (Reply #37)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:49 AM

42. Well, i think all the other reasons have been amply covered however

Yeah that bugs me too!

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:43 PM

134. I am annoyed at his assumption

that people living in apartments have heart attacks. People living in houses have health insurance and therefore don't have heart attacks? This to me is just the epitome of rethug class warfare - If you live in an apartment, you don't have or can't afford health insurance so you have to go to the emergency room!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:24 AM

18. The law's requirement is to stabilize the patient.

Once stable no other care is required by law. Pain management? nope, not required.

What about the kid who died recently from a tooth abscess? Tragic case, no dental care and the infection traveled to his brain.

Don't tell me they get care in the ER, Mitt. Come take a ride with me and I'll introduce you to my sister who is an ER RN.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:39 AM

71. Bingo!

I was scrolling through all the responses before I was going to post that exact thing.

It's an important aspect of the law that too many people, including the uninsured who use ERs as their source of primary health care. All the ER needs to do is stabilize the patient. They'll then send them home, possibly with a prescription (which the patient probably can't afford to fill) and usually with a referral to a follow-up physician, which the uninsured ER patient probably won't go to.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:29 AM

20. True. They die in the hospital because they dont have insurance and dont go to the doctor

early enough.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:30 AM

21. without insurance, you don't seek regular preventive care

by the time you do go to the emergency room, it may be too late. Have you considered that scenario, Bishop?

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Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:41 AM

34. Or go get a diagnosis when you have early symptoms.

Mitt is a tool.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:31 AM

22. Can this guy talk without lying? nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:31 AM

23. My brother couldn't afford an ambulance, so he just died in bed at 51 ... eom

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:03 AM

51. so sorry Kolesar

that's gotta make these boneheaded heartless comments even harder to take.

i just don't get how any thinking feeling person could consider this man the better choice for president. it's so frustrating

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:55 AM

81. I am so sorry Kolesar.....

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Response to glinda (Reply #81)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:26 PM

99. Yes, thanks...I had posted about him a month ago

We still don't have a coroner's report.
At least we know what we are working toward--social justice.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:35 AM

26. "We have people who die because they can't pay for medical care."

Is that what Romoroni is implying?

Or was he saying this? "We DO have people who die because they DO have insurance."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:40 AM

29. where did he get this idea: and it’s paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital

You get a bill. People on Medicaid don't get a bill, but the working poor, those too "rich" to get help and too poor to afford private insurance are the ones who die or go bankrupt. The hospital pays only if you don't pay it and seek protection via bankruptcy.

He sure is stupid or uniformed... or is it both?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:40 AM

30. .....

That man, is such a complete and total ass... ugh. Jesus, he really is making GW look like an intellectual.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:40 AM

31. People are having heart attacks because they lack health insurance Mitt.

And people die from heart attacks. Yes if you are having a heart attack you will get treated in the ER -if you make it there in time. But you might have avoided that heart attack if you had health insurance which paid for diagnostics and medications which could have managed your heart disease better.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:41 AM

33. What he meant to say was, they die because they aren't 'lucky sperm' like he is

If those darn lazy poor people would just buckle down and work harder, they could all be rich enough to buy their own doctors, just like he is!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:41 AM

35. He's right -- it's the hours-long emergency room waits

in lieu of receiving decent preventive care. But Mitt has said he can live with that. And hey, having hospitals doing business that way day in and day out also drives up everyone else's health care costs, but thank God, at least it's not a "tax".

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:44 AM

36. viral Now...k and r !!!!

This creature that walks among us needs to be rushed to
an inner city hospital with 50 people waiting for critical care.
Tie him to a chair as he is made to see what happens to Americans each day!!!

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Response to goclark (Reply #36)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:55 AM

82. I'd love to see this happen, but what I'm guessing is...

Mitt would not care. Didn't he talk about those 47%ers who saw themselves as victims, moochers who thought they were entitled to things like food, housing, and health care--and took no responsibility for themselves, so why should he be concerned about them? I suspect he'd look around that ER and say, ah-ha! Here are prime examples of what I was talkin' about. And then affirm his notion that he did not give a rip about them. We are nothing in his cold dead eyes, despite what he might say to the contrary.

Creature describes him to a tee. The man has no compassion, no ability to connect with anyone not in his "peer group" and as far as I'm concerned, he has no shame and certainly no soul. I am heartsick to think he might be our next president. Sadly, there is no cure for the pain Rmoney is causing, and I'm appalled that anyone would vote for him. Heaven help us all if he's elected!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:45 AM

39. Finally, a position Mitt hasn't flip-flopped on,

albeit a crappy and untenable one.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:46 AM

40. WOW, he had room for yet another foot in his big mouth

I hope he has insurance

Say "Good-bye" Mittens!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:49 AM

43. His ignorance of reality for those that do not fall in his elite social class is astounding. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:50 AM

44. Sure, they will treat your heart attack in the ER...

But will you be able to get your bypass surgery there?

Funny how he seems to think it's ok for the government to pay for this.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:51 AM

45. What reality does this guy live in?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:58 AM

46. You Can't Go To The Emergency Room For A Mamogram

Or any other preventive measures. Early detection is key to people surviving so, yes, Mr. Romney people do die because they don't have insurance. And late stage treatment is much more expensive than early stage treatment. It is a win-win for people to have coverage as it saves lives.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:59 AM

47. Waiting for the "walk back". nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:00 AM

48. Why is this hardhearted JERK, so high in the polls?

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #48)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:46 AM

78. Because sadly...

...our country is full of hardhearted jerks.

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Response to rbnyc (Reply #78)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:11 PM

125. Sad, but true.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:00 AM

49. another bald-faced lie

from he who would be president, quite possibly even a worse president than gw. shockingly

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:02 AM

50. I guess thats true in Mitts world...but

Here in the real world I personally have known people who died because they couldn't face the medical bills of going to the doctor when they might have been saved. My Mother in law was one. She died of endometriosis that turned cancerous after years of problems because she was afraid of the med. bills, they were retired but to young for medicare. As soon as she got medicare she went to the doctor, but it was too late.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:06 AM

52. Many, many people avoid visits to the Doctor's office because of the cost

 

involved. How much money could be saved by early detection of life-threatening conditions?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:11 AM

55. Yea he is just like us down here in the trenches fighting for survival.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:11 AM

56. What a total idiot!!! n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:15 AM

57. Try asking a hospital for chemo in an ER! They WILL NOT treat your cancer unless you can find a

a charity hospital. Try getting an organ transplant w/o insurance! Get a clue, or better yet, research what empathy and caring mean!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:15 AM

58. I remember a PBS doc.

A man in Texas who had cancer died while waiting for Medicaid approval.

Of course it came in a month after he died.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:22 AM

59. How about people who get emergency treatment, live, then lose their house, job and family

trying to pay the bills?

Medical bills in the US are involved in over 50% of bankruptcies. Untreated medical problems are involved in a large percentage of joblessness. Both are involved in a large percentage of homelessness...and so forth.

Its pathetic how Romney imagines he actually knows what he's talking about.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:23 AM

60. He truly lives in some kind of fantasy world.

He has no idea of the world outside of his bank vaults.

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #60)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:24 AM

192. you forget he does know the world of tax avoidance & offshore investments

so add that to the "bank vaults"

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:25 AM

63. I guess it depends on what your definition of "people" is, Mitt.

We have people who die in this country because they have insurance. That is what caused a large part of the outrage calling for single payer. Even with insurance your still going to wind up on some corporations actuarial roulette wheel of suffering. All so some shareholder can happily make a few extra bucks towards their own retirement.

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #63)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:53 PM

194. We already HAVE "Death Panels"

They are called "Insurance Companies".

I do not understand why that point is not mentioned.

Why is it better for the person making the decision on whether the "cure" is warranted or not have their PAYCHECK tied to how much $$ the insurance "saves" by NOT covering the treatment - but it is EEeeevil socialized medicine, if an unelected government panel of 15 (who are going to be paid the same ANYWAY) make some framework decisions?

Color me confused

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:27 AM

64. Robme is dumber than a box of rocks!!!

They do die prematurely because they lack health insurance....

They die because they don't have check-ups and screenings. The law only requires a hospital to stabilize the patient. By the time they arrive at the hospital with rectal bleeding because they have Stage IV colon cancer it is too late. The hospital will do what they have to do to stop the bleeding, give them a transfusion, etc. and give them a diagnosis.

But from there the person without health insurance will not have access to ongoing treatment.

They may not be dying of colon cancer because had they seen a doctor regularly and had a colonoscopy the cancer would have been caught early. It would have been treated and, at a minimum, the patient's longevity extended.

He just doesn't get it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:28 AM

65. Why does he assume the uninsured live in apartments?

He used similar phrasing in his '60 Minutes' interview (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/24/1135711/-Mitt-Romney-Need-healthcare-Go-to-the-emergency-room). His disdain for ordinary Americans comes through every time he speaks.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:37 AM

68. Tell that to the uninsured people with cancer

Can't treat cancer in the ER. Maybe you can treat a heart attack in the ER but you can't treat congestive heart failure or multiple sclerosis or diabetes. ERs are for urgent care, things that need to be cared for instantly. But anything chronic or long term treatment won't.

Keep talking mittwit. Now he's off his practiced, memorized, scripted performance and back to his stupid, clueless self. And please for the love of God, will the media report on this stuff

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:37 AM

69. Fuck You Mitt Romney!!!!

I had family members who have died for lack of insurance

Romney is extremely out of touch with the most of us

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:37 AM

70. Choking to death

on a big wad of cash seems like a fitting end for such ignorant, heartless fool.

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Response to JEB (Reply #70)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:01 PM

88. ...or on his foot (nt)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:40 AM

72. Well, I have a new choice for my epitaph.

"But Mitt said this couldn't happen!"

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #72)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:20 AM

183. Yeah, better than, "I TOLD y'all I was sick" nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:41 AM

73. Mitt being Mitt again

He can't not be himself for an entire month.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:44 AM

74. My Mother's Second Husband

He had no health insurance. He had a sore throat that wouldn't go away. He finally went to a free clinic. They misdiagnosed it as an infection ad and gave him an antibiotic. It got worse. He went back. They gave him another antibiotic. It got worse. After 5 visits, they did a biopsy. He had cancer. He qualified for some kind of emergency medicaid - I don't know how it works--but he was able to have emergency surgery to remove his lower jaw and most of his tongue. He died a few months later.

I wonder if his story would have been different if he had a personal physician.

I wonder what the cost to taxpayers was to remove the bottom of his face and care for him until he dies vs. what the cost would have been to catch the cancer early and cure him if we had a system similar to what they have in Canada.

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Response to rbnyc (Reply #74)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:08 PM

195. OMG, Canada!? The place of "free" health care evildoing? Here's a story (short):

My daughter was born in Canada (her father is Canadian). We did not see one bill for prenatal care, a 3-day hospital stay or well baby care. We paid a quarterly premium based on our income, which was reasonable, and we paid every day through sales tax on everything we bought except for food at the grocery store. Since our income was pretty low, we also qualified for a subsidy for child care when I went back to work.

Fast forward: daughter is grown and flown to live in Canada. When I was visiting her last, I complained about the high sales tax, everything from the car rental to gas to a bottle of wine. She just smiled and said, "Well I have "free" health care for that high tax, so I don't mind." She also had a subsidy for attending a Canadian university as a Canadian citizen.

US politicians should get their acts together and get a system like Canada's going here. And we don't have to reinvent the wheel, either.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:48 AM

79. Another View into the Wealthosphere

Whenever MItt says stuff like this, he shows how the 1% really see the world.

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Response to Haywood Brothers (Reply #79)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:54 PM

136. "the Wealthosphere"--I like it!

Welcome to DU!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:53 AM

80. Well, my uncle died a very terrible death because he didn't have health insurance

He had an aortic aneurysm and was afraid to go to the hospital because he didn't have insurance. Eventually, he began to throw up blood and by then it was too late. My husband went blind in one eye because of our lack of health insurance and him being denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. I could go on and on but his lack of understanding about what people without insurance face is very telling and sad.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:56 AM

84. It is frightening how stupid he is. Corporations will have lots of fun leading him around.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:59 AM

87. Not only...

...do people die because they don't have health insurance, but people die because they have crappy health insurance.

One of these people could be me. I used to have supremely crappy health insurance that cost me 13% of my gross annual income. (1/3 the total premium - my company pays the other 2/3 which is why they can't pay better salaries or hire more people.) The co-pays were so high that I couldn't afford to use it. I have a chronic illness that needs to be monitored. I'm supposed to go for tests every 3 months. I was going about once a year.

Last benefits cycle, the premium for this piece of crap plan went up so much that I had to switch to an even crappier HMO. The premiums still cost 13% of my gross annual salary. The co-pays are lower, which is nice. Except, none of my doctors will take it. My son's pediatrician won't take it. We can't find a doctor in our area who will take it. So no one in my family has been to the doctor since we went on this plan.

What we need in this country is health care.

And I'm sorry, I know the affordable health care act made some improvements to the health care situation for some people in this country, but in general I think it really fails. IMO, Obama spent his political capital saving the economy from a total free-fall on the onset of his term and didn't have enough left to pass truly meaningful reform. He should have waited.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:01 PM

89. Can Rmoney be any more disconnected from reality!?




Thanks for the thread, kpete.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:01 PM

90. he's also wrong about hospitals treating those who can't pay

I live in nevada, a few years back we had a scandal because the hospital refused to treat the man because he couldn't pay and he died in front of their building. also a woman who waited in the ER in such great pain, that others in the ER told the nurse to take her before them, she refused. when her husband drove her to another hospital, she bled to death from a tubal pregnancy.

also, I think it was sixty minutes, had a report how a hospital would just call a cab or drive a patient to a location away from the hospital and let them out. many were elderly, and that's how they treated the patients when there medicare ran out in the hospital.

he is either totally clueless, or really doesn't give a fek!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:11 PM

92. Oops

Thanks Mitt!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:13 PM

93. he knows damn well we do

but it doesn't fit into is vulture-capitalist mentality

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:15 PM

95. The truthiness of Willard ...




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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:17 PM

96. He is correct

When Mittens says "we" he's referring to himself and that room full of robber barons he was addressing in his 47% speech and the rest of that 1% ilk. they of course don't die from a lack of medical insurance or other funding for the premium healthcare they receive.

the people that die most often fro the lack of health care are that lower 47% which he so bluntly stated he doesn't worry about. So for once, Mitt has been caught telling a tragic truth

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:26 PM

97. This makes me so fucking angry

I had a friend DIE because of lack of health care.



This quote alone should disqualify him from being President.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:26 PM

98. Does he think people ONLY have heart attacks? What about long, lingering illnesses?

Like the one his wife has?

What an idiot.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:30 PM

100. "The fundamentals of our economy are strong"

2012 version

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:34 PM

104. What a fucking moron.

I guess that 44,000 people a year don't count. Well, they're just part of the 47%. They should have taken responsibility for their lives.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #104)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:01 AM

202. Kick.

Also, bringing up --

It's 100,000 people dying in the U.S. per year due to lack of health care.

That's like multiple 9/11s ... where's the outrage?

"Employer-based health insurance has always been a bad idea. Your life should not depend on who you work for." -- T. McKeon

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Response to area51 (Reply #202)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:35 PM

207. Thanks for the correction. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:34 PM

105. so of course he's going to radically increase funding for that ER care?

I didn't think so.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:37 PM

107. This whole "apartment" thing goes WAY back...

....I know people who own rental property. When you get so much money that you have money out there that's just for making money you end up owning rental property. For some, it's a single multi-unit, for others it's multiple apartment complexes all over the country.

These are the kinds of people Mitt hangs out with and the number one thing these types obsess with is the water bill. It's why they think the lower classes are "dirty" because they must spend a lot of time in the shower. They also are convinced the lower classes have an easier life than they do because the government is giving them lots of free stuff at their expense. It's what happens when you spend all of your time in a small bubble away from being a member of the community. It's a world that wants to fine people for having dandelions because they end up on the golf course and who's only contact with someone not like them is the caddie who had BETTER give them the right advice on which club to use for the next shot.

They see the world as winners and losers. They are the winners and everyone else is a bunch of freeloaders who are costing them a fortune and it's all because the government is giving these people a free ride. If government weren't there to coddle these people they could make something of their lives. Seriously, this is the way they think. You try and tell them the government isn't giving you jack squat and they don't believe it. They act like EVERYBODY is on some kind of government assistance that THEY are paying for which allows you to be lazy.

See, the problem is that many of these people aren't too bright. They couldn't even run a cash register for a day and have the tape total match the drawer but they think they are financial geniuses because they have an overpaid lawyer handling all of their finances. They got their money EASY and since they know they are fucking STUPID they figure ANYBODY can be just like them.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:40 PM

109. Big deal

 

There are still a lot of idiots who are ill and have no insurance but will still vote for Romney. This is why he has no qualms about flapping his lips and saying such things.

I no longer get upset about hearing such things because I already know the deal. What is upsetting is the number of Americans who will hear this and agree with Romney. We have a stupid problem in this country and I doubt there is a way to fix it.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #109)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:56 PM

111. and that's the crux of the whole thing

we've got people now who have no compassion, no empathy; they actually think it's those lazy people, those undeserving people. they don't think it could happen to them or their families. I listen to the rant on our local faux network (mil likes the local news) and some of these rants are just so sociopathic it's scary.

after feeding the public for over thirty years, the selfish, hate the poor-the undeserving, shite from their lying, ignorant blowhards, we've got americans who believe other americans "should just die and decrease the surplus population."

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Response to newspeak (Reply #111)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:08 PM

114. I don't even know what the solution is.

 

How such a large segment of our society can be so brainwashed is something I just can't comprehend. The thing that really gets me is that many of the people selling them this nonsense actually have "government" health care.

I just don't get it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:45 PM

110. Here is a study from Massachusetts that contradicts Mitt....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021513265

The point is that, if Romney is able to kill the Affordable Care Act as he apparently would like to do, this paper would likely reflect the situation in all states where people are uninsured: i.e., the uninsured trauma patients would die at greater rates than the insured trauma patients.





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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:58 PM

112. This will be all over the media in the next few days!

I hope Joe brings it up tonight. Prepare to see lots of interviews of people who have lost loved ones because they didn't get proper care when needed, even if they went to the ER at the end. It will also make a great ad, another of Clueless Mitt's Greatest Hits.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:20 PM

115. Pure GOLD!

Yes nobody dies from lack of insurance. And charity pays all your bills. Who the fuck knew.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:35 PM

116. It's simply amazing...

Romney says stuff this crazy and demonstrably untrue every week - and STILL he and Obama are running neck and neck.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:42 PM

117. He is so arrogant and selfish

His family are all arrogant and selfish.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:43 PM

118. The people who die because they don't have health care are people with chronic

conditions who cannot afford healthcare and medications -- people with diabetes for example. People with a past history of cancer. People without the means or capacity successfully apply for Medicaid. And of course Republicans want to end Medicaid as we know it.

We don't all die of a heart attack, Mr. Romney.

He is just so stupid when it comes to understanding life. I can't believe that he is even a nominee.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:44 PM

119. Jesus!

Would someone please smack this asshole down already! (That's you. Mr President)

So many holes in this dumbass theory Mittens has.

-I love how a heart attack is all anybody has. It's always a heart attack. And, yeah, an ER will treat a heart attack on the acute side...meaning they'll stop the attack from happening. What happens when you need surgery? What happens when you have an extended hospital stay to the tune of $70,000 a week? Where do you get your follow up care? After you have a heart attack, the ER doesn't send you on your way with a bottle of pills and you're good to go. You have to go see a cardiologist. Around here, the primary medical group (Medical Associates) will not take appointments for uninsured patients until the patient pays for the appointment up front.

-What about every other ailment? What about chronic disease? How does the ER help you with cancer treatments? They tell you there's nothing they can do for you and send you home to die. Alan Grayson is dead on with this one. The r plan for health care for the uninsured is, if you get sick...go die.

-Who picks up the tab for the most expensive care? Taxpayers, right? So the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" crowd is okay with people NOT taking responsibility and leaving a big tab to everyone else? Why in the hell would "fiscally responsible" people want everyone to use the least efficient/most expensive care there is?

-As stated before, people going to the ER for ear infections gums up the ER, wasting the valuable time of the medical personnel on hand. So when someone comes in with a gsw, they may not get the care they need immediately because the staff is tied up with non-emergency illnesses.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:47 PM

120. Is Romney that Ignorant

or does he actually believe what he's saying? People have died and gotten sicker all the time because doctors will not help people without health insurance. And there are no "charities" rushing in to help pay for people at ER's, just like there are not selfish conservatives rushing to help people in need either. That's why either a system for this has to be put into place, or these conservative idiots need to be forced to pay.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I'm so tired of this right wing meme that there is so much abundant assistance, especially from "charities". Most "charities" are nothing more that another corporation. "Non-Profit" my ass!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:47 PM

121. The ER makes sure you're stable and then sends you home

with instructions to contact your regular Dr. The ER does not treat people, it stabilizes them. Those Dr's typically require insurance or full payment before agreeing to see you.

Someone needs to suggest a "Joe Millionaire" type of experiment to this fool.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:57 PM

123. Dear Mitt: FUCK YOU, you entitled piece of Cheney!

I personally knew someone who stayed home and died at 33 YEARS OLD because he had no insurance and couldn't afford the hospital bill.



I hope you choke on your concession speech.

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Response to LadyHawkAZ (Reply #123)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:38 PM

132. +1 Mitt...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:57 PM

124. Show me an ER that treats cancer, Mitt!!!

Half of all Americans die of cancer. ERs don't have oncology wards. They don't take out tumors. Without insurance, you don't get the early screening, and by the time you feel symptoms, it's stage 4 and they can't do anything for you. THAT is how people die without insurance, you lying sack of American-killing shit!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:15 PM

126. Time to air commercials with testimony from family

members of people who DIED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE?!



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:16 PM

127. He is out of touch.

He does not know what is going on.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:16 PM

128. People Willard, not corporations. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:25 PM

131. You F-ing liar rmoney! I was denied care repeatedly from DRs and ERS as I lay dying from Lupus

The ER's kept telling me nothing was wrong with me! SS said I wasn't sick enough to get Disability and Medicare. The last ER I went to (as they admitted to my husband I was 15 minutes from death) FINALLY did something. I HATE THIS AMERICAN MEDICAL INDUSRIAL COMPLEX! It is without humanity! It is a monstrosity! A VOTE FOR RMONEY IS A VOTE FOR SICK PEOPLE DYING OUT IN THE COLD!!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:53 PM

135. But we do.

Or rather we lose them because they die.

It happened to a former co-worker of mine.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:03 PM

138. C'mon Clue-by-Four, time for another round

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:05 PM

139. He reminds me of a caricature, or maybe that guy from Third Rock. People die every day for want of

insurance.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:19 PM

140. Why can't he understand that if people had insurance, they could prevent

many heart attacks if they saw a doctor and had the right medicine. The cheapest investment, as well.

Why does he think so many people crowd to these free medical clinics Ed talks about on his show? Thousands show up in need of immediate care who wouldn't get it otherwise.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:29 PM

141. What an idiot.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:31 PM

142. Arrogance + Stupidity

A very, very bad combination in general, but particularly horrendous for a president wannabe. Mittens is the very epitome of what is wrong with this country.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:36 PM

143. And not only that, we have young women having ABORTIONS because they don't have insurance

coverage and can't pay for maternity care or hospital bills.

The Dems are the real pro-life party.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 04:11 PM

144. Stupid argument by him, but even so people don't know that they can use the ER....

....or, if they go to the ER that they don't have to pay.

Years ago I worked in a Manhattan ER on the 3rd shift. A poor woman came in with her sick child, who was REALLY sick. She looked at the sign beneath the registration window that said "ER fee: $65" (back then $65 was a lot). She read it agains, told me she coudn't afford it and left. I had to run out to get her and tell her that her child could be examined and treated and she didn't have to pay the fee.

But how many people don't even bother to go, thinking they couldn't afford it?

What a disgusting position for Romney to take on the issue.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 04:44 PM

146. a dear friend of mine's daughter

died in May.

She didn't have insurance. She thought it was just a cold. It was a raging infection and it attacked her internal organs.

Mittens should tell that to her daughter, Taylor. She's a junior in high school who no longer has a mom working 2 jobs to support her children. Neither of those offered insurance to their parttime employees. But that was all she could find because there were no full time jobs available.

Shitforbrains should just STFU.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 04:55 PM

147. Is he really that stupid?

Does he honestly believe that someone can get treated for cancer in an ER?

Never mind. I answered my own questions.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 05:01 PM

148. Don't let this story get crowded out by the debate

it is important!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 05:37 PM

151. That's the most disgraceful WHOPPER he's told yet

Keep 'em coming, douchenozzle. Every single one you tell is making one more working person wake up to who and what you are.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 05:52 PM

152. Mitty, you are a lying sack of shit.

I just went through this thread and counted over a dozen stories about people who died because of lack of insurance. You're going to get reamed on this one, pal.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 05:55 PM

153. He's just so clueless and out of touch with average Americans.

Nothing else to say, I'm stunned...again.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 06:02 PM

154. Stupid A-S-S needs to shut his fucking PIE-HOLE. . . .

He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, as HE'S never been without insurance!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 06:58 PM

157. Romney is completely out of touch

with the poverty and challenges of average citizens in this country. He has absolutely no clue. He has never ever been exposed to it or sought out to learn about it. He does not understand the difficulty of having to choose between food and medicine. He doesn't understand watching children go hungry because the rent had to be paid. He doesn't understand because he has never looked beyond the well groomed gardens of the upper crest.

He is completely out of touch and ignorant. He believes in the America that he lives in is the same for the rest of us and it is not.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:02 PM

158. A coworker who was probably around 60 had to file bankruptcy

because her husband had the nerve to suffer from terminal cancer and their copays left them broke.

They were both insured, but obviously they didn't pull up their bootstraps enough.

He died, and she was left with more bills. House gone. Savings gone.

Sometimes I despair about this country.

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Response to spiderpig (Reply #158)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:12 PM

161. And this brings up another important point.

The majority of those who had to file for bankruptcy because of medical bills had insurance at the time. It was not enough.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:04 PM

159. Of course we do.

People let their chronic illnesses go undiagnosed and/or untreated because they can't afford the visits or the meds, and eventually their disease kills them. WTF is wrong with Romney? How can he be so remarkably stupid?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:08 PM

160. What an out of touch fool!

Hardly a week goes by when there isn't somebody on the local news who is holding a car wash to raise money for a sick child that either never had health insurance or maxed out on it and now is being turned away! Not long ago it was a local police officer whose child had cancer and maxed out on the insurance. And how many more run into this only don't get on the news?!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:14 PM

162. Sorry I can't help but unlease a chain of profanity

God damn mother fucking silver spoon feed idiot!

I personally know people who have died because of lack of insurance. Our neighbor had breast cancer. She choose to die rather than bankrupt her family.

God damn them!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:17 PM

163. oh. my. god.

one of the first things they ask you, when you're doubled over in pain, is "do you have insurance? I need to see your insurance card. Is it current?"

They may not shake someone down who is on the threshold to death, but you can best believe, your ass is getting a bill you will never be able to afford and will make you wish you'd died.

This alone tells me that he is unfit to be president.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #163)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:50 PM

169. Mr. pig and I were both in emergency in the past couple of years

He choked drinking bottled water, fell and smacked his head on the kitchen floor - resulting in a hematoma, stitches, and 3 days in the hospital.

I had pneumonia (diagnosed by my primary, while I continued to work FULL TIME, Mittens) and went to Urgent Care because of extreme chest pain. They threw me in a wheelchair and trundled me off to Emergency while sticking ekg thingies all over my bod. It was pleurisy, which hurts like hell, if you've never had it.

Point being, the minute you get admitted to an examining room someone with a clipboard shows up to ask how you're going to take care of your copay.

My husband was bleeding from the skull and completely disoriented. I was in such pain I could hardly breath. Yet we had to hand over a credit card, all the time thinking "This is insane".

This is insane.

I loathe and detest Rmoney more than I can say. The sight of his smug face makes me want to go to Emergency, but I can't afford the copay.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:36 PM

164. Myth Rmoney is trying to use the Jedi Mind Trick

Lying has a strong influence over the weak minded.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:46 PM

165. I had a coworker who swore there was no one going hungry in the US

I argued with him and he got all condescending and told me that his info came from his pastor.

When people stop trying to live in alternate realities, then maybe we'll have a sensible discussion about something.

Not till the preachers lose their power, though. Nothing will make sense till then.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:47 PM

166. Once you leave the Emergency Room there is NO follow up care. You will have another

heart attack.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:49 PM

167. Not from LEGITIMATE illness....

... the body has a way of "shutting that down".

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:49 PM

168. I swear to all that I hold holy that I hate that asshole.

You have to be ignorant of what happens in this country or a liar to say such a thing, and I just don't believe Romney is ignorant on this matter.

He's lying to people that want to believe this is true when it is factually, undeniably, demonstrably flat out untrue, and we have way too many Americans who get sent home to get their affairs in order to die because they don't have proper insurance when in any other industrialized country on this planet they would at least have a chance to get treatment.

I despise him.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #168)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:00 PM

170. You said it.

We are disposable goods to these vile pieces of filth. Old? Ill? Just send you to the dumpster while Mittens and Annie enjoy their non-alcoholic wine and non-caffeinated beverages.

Of course, they don't hesitate to sell them in their (cough-Marriott-cough) properties.

Loathsome hypocrites.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #168)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:09 PM

171. It's not just RMoney and his buddies who are betraying us

It's also every single POS that's thinking of voting for him.

We are in this mess because so many of our fellow Americans are no damned good.

We need to face that.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:21 PM

172. Romney truly is a Sob.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:41 PM

174. Stupid Bastard!

Over 40 thousand die each year from not having insurance. By the time they go to the ER it is too late.

Hospitals won't treat Cancer without insurance. They will not treat long term COPD without insurance. Same goes for Diabetes, hypertension, and any other disease.

Any more, the job of the ER is to get you sound enough to make it out of the parking lot.

With his money, he doesn't have to worry. That means he has no idea about the subject, nor does care to know.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:46 PM

175. WTF - Mitt, a PROBLEM is not its own SOLUTION.

Seriously, Romney just described the PROBLEM with our health care system as being the SOLUTION to our health care system problems.

Out. Of. Touch.

Mitt. Romney.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:53 PM

176. Kick to remind people about The Stupid Greedy Shapeshifter running

for pres.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:59 PM

177. How out of touch can this moron be?

Countless people have chosen not to seek medical care (i.e.--go to the doctor) when they needed to because of lack of insurance coverage. As a result, their ailment became worse and worse until they finally sought medical help which ended up costing them every cent they had plus two additional mortgages on their home...and that's if their illness was still treatable at that point.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:53 PM

178. Jackass. My life has probably already been shortened ...

... because my insurance premiums cost so much that I can't afford the co-pay to go to the doctor, have tests, etc.

I very well may be one of those who eventually dies in my apartment because I choose to struggle to pay for private insurance (so my family or the gov't won't bear the burden if I get really sick). You don't go to the doctor for years and years, and things can go wrong you don't even know about.

And I certainly can't risk having a pre-existing condition on my record either 1) before 2014 or 2) until I know who wins the election, and whether health-care reform will stick around. So, I don't go to the doctor.

Thanks for your compassion, Mitt. I'll have my family invite you to my eventual funeral. And you can get your rubber gloves and come clean up my apartment.

Jackass.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:04 AM

181. Tell that to the DUers who have died because they didn't have insurance. n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:18 AM

182. NO they get hauled away by the POLICE for bleeding in the ER

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19207050/ns/health-health_care/t/woman-dies-er-lobby-refuses-help/#.UHelklHWqtk
updated 6/13/2007 10:43:18 AM ET


LOS ANGELES — A woman who lay bleeding on the emergency room floor of a troubled inner-city hospital died after 911 dispatchers refused to contact paramedics or an ambulance to take her to another facility, newly released tapes of the emergency calls reveal.

Edith Isabel Rodriguez, 43, died of a perforated bowel on May 9 at Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital. Her death was ruled accidental by the Los Angeles County coroner’s office.

Relatives said Rodriguez was bleeding from the mouth and writhing in pain for 45 minutes while she was at a hospital waiting area. Experts have said she could have survived had she been treated early enough.

County and state authorities are now investigating Rodriguez’s death. Relatives reported she died as police were wheeling her out of the hospital after the officers they had asked to help Rodriguez arrested her instead on a parole violation. Sheriff’s Department spokesman Duane Allen said Wednesday that the investigation is ongoing.



EDIT: Actually, the police thought she'd get better treatment in prison, so that's why they were taking her out of the hospital.





NOTE: The county WAS held accountable, the triage nurse put on leave and later left the hospital, but the janitor that mopped up the blood Edith was throwing up, and 6 other staff who just walked by and did nothing to save her life... they were told to behave better in the future. THE WOMAN DIED in front of their eyes and not one of them really cared at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Rodriguez

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:22 AM

186. My friend died because she couldn't afford chemo.


Another friend is facing the same prospect: $700 a shot, not covered. He needs at least 4.

I am tired of losing people that I care about because they're too poor to afford healthcare like that rich pompous jackass Romney.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:54 AM

187. Two of my cousins died & that's what happened to them.


Bad guess, Mitt.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:59 AM

188. Keep this story alive!!

It needs to survive the debate and get covered by the media. What a colossally stupid and offensively ignorant
comment from the Mittster.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:14 AM

189. We need to keep hammering

This like the final nail in Romney's coffin. Why because it is. He has shown repeatedly he doesn't have the silightest idea of the current state of the union. There are millions of americans who live in poverty. There are children dying with out health care. There are elderly who can not afford medication and die because of it. There are people who work but can't make a living wage amd Romney sits on his gold gilded,chair and passes judgement and says "no American dies because they don't have health insurance.". He is so out of touch that SETI can not find a signal to reach him.

We need to repeat it.

The campaign needs to repeat it.

Mitt Romney is out of touch and doesn't care. He thinks you like it up on the roof dying in your own vomit.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:18 AM

190. my understanding is such treatment is paid by insurance cos. through higher premiums to the insured

no matter who it's paid for, someone pays. So why not have a sane system like Canada's instead of one that places the whole burden on others?

If you can't afford to pay a full premium in Canada, you contribute to the system through high taxes on everything you buy, both goods and services. Sales taxes and fees are HIGH in Canada but at least you get health care, college subsidies and child care subsidies for the tax dollars you pay. And with sales tax, everyone pays into the system, including visitors, because everyone buys things.

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Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:07 PM

193. So let me get this right?

I am uninsured. I have broken my leg, to where it is critical to get treatment. I may die from it, as a major artery is severed.

Option 1: Not having insurance, I elect not to go to the hospital and take my chances.

Option 2: Not having insurance, I still elect to go to the hospital and they fix me up. Costs 20K. Now who pays for this? Let me see, the hospital send you a bill for 20K. You inform them you cannot pay. The hospital turns you over to a collection agency. You again tell them you cannot pay. What happens next? The collection agency constantly hounds you to pay with daily phone calls. They in turn post a big black mark on your credit rating. You are also unemployed, and finally find a job. When you do finally get a job, they check your credit and see this big black mark and decide not to hire you. Why they check credit reports is beyond me, but some companies do. Now you've lost out on a job. Your car breaks down and you now cannot apply for a loan because of this big black mark. The same applies for car insurance or renting an apartment. Now your really screwed as you can't get a job or a car or insurance or a place to sleep at night. All because of a broken leg. What is wrong with this picture? This country is in desperate need of national healthcare.

Option 3. Die at home due to injuries. No one is put out, nor does the hospital or insurance company loose any money. My credit report is saved, and its better than dealing with the aftermath of what will happen if I go to the hospital to get needed help. Has it come to this in this country?

Yeah, Mittens some people are choosing option 3.

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Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:33 AM

198. I could name names

Romney is full of shit

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Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:02 AM

199. Romney Care 2012 Is I Don't Care

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Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:45 AM

200. Romney: I'm a God-awful businessman

He proves it every time he says something like, "if I repeal Obamacare, which I will try to do if elected, you can just use the emergency room when you get sick." (The only way he could actually repeal it is to have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate plus a majority in the House. He won't get enough Senators and after the do-nothing 'baggers' Congress he may not have the House...this of course assumes he wins the presidency and that's an extreme long shot now.)

I think I know now why 22 percent of Romney's deals wound up in bankruptcy court.

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Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:40 AM

201. Romney knew better a few years ago, but he's getting increasingly stupid.

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Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:16 PM

204. kick

Now that the debate has passed, this should get covered by MSM!!

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Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:24 PM

205. this guy is not just an idiot. he is an EXTREME idiot!!! holy crap not sure what to say to this..nt

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Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:38 PM

206. COMPLETELY.out.of.touch.!!!!!

He cannot be human. Nor does he have any connection w/American reality on the ground.

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Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:47 PM

208. Kick. n/t

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