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Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:20 AM

Megachurch pastor uses sermon to ‘endorse Jesus’ but encourages voting for Romney

Source: Raw Story

Megachurch pastor uses sermon to ‘endorse Jesus’ but encourages voting for Romney
By David Edwards
Monday, October 8, 2012 11:46 EDT

A megachurch pastor in San Diego became one of up to 2,000 clergy around the country to defy IRS rules and announce their support of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Sunday.

“Some came to here to hear an endorsement,” Skyline Church Pastor Jim Garlow told his congregation, according to The San Diego Union-Tribune. “My endorsement will be Jesus. I’ll tell you whom I’m going to vote for, but I don’t think that makes it an endorsement. I’m going to vote for Mitt Romney, but I’m not telling you to.”

The conservative Christian group Alliance Defending Freedom organized “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” to oppose the Johnson amendment in Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, which prohibits charities and religious institutions from endorsing or opposing specific candidates. Participating pastors hoped to goad the government into prosecuting them by sending videos of their sermons to the IRS, with the ultimate goal of challenging the law in court.

“It is clear that the president of the United States doesn’t stand on these issues that I’ve been talking about, only Mitt Romney,” Garlow told a church group on Saturday. “All I can say is this is a biblical standard of how to vote, and who are we going to vote for these next four years?”


Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/08/megachurch-pastor-uses-sermon-to-endorse-jesus-but-encourages-voting-for-romney/

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Reply Megachurch pastor uses sermon to ‘endorse Jesus’ but encourages voting for Romney (Original post)
Judi Lynn Oct 2012 OP
Blue Owl Oct 2012 #1
MADem Oct 2012 #2
underthematrix Oct 2012 #3
jmowreader Oct 2012 #4
LuckyLib Oct 2012 #8
Socal31 Oct 2012 #5
jerseyjack Oct 2012 #18
Socal31 Oct 2012 #25
JRLeft Oct 2012 #29
cstanleytech Oct 2012 #6
rebuke Oct 2012 #7
2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #21
freshwest Oct 2012 #9
davidpdx Oct 2012 #24
demosincebirth Oct 2012 #10
ButterflyBlood Oct 2012 #11
dimbear Oct 2012 #12
defacto7 Oct 2012 #14
IndyJones Oct 2012 #13
oldhippydude Oct 2012 #15
2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #22
oldsarge54 Oct 2012 #16
BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #17
sweetapogee Oct 2012 #19
booksenkatz Oct 2012 #20
NorthCarolina Oct 2012 #23
KansDem Oct 2012 #26
lalalu Oct 2012 #27
yellowcanine Oct 2012 #28
sarcasmo Oct 2012 #30
Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #31
tawadi Oct 2012 #32
Evasporque Oct 2012 #33

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:22 AM

1. Jesus Christ, look at this candidate

n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:22 AM

2. Time for a letter writing campaign to the IRS, I'd say! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:25 AM

3. just tweet the link to the

IRS!!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:26 AM

4. I endorse sending Jesus and Skyline Church a tax bill

And...oh, send tax bills to the other 1,999 preachers who decided to break the law by endorsing from their tax-exempt pulpits. Just think: we could reduce the deficit by HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS if not BILLIONS every year by making these jackals pay their fair share!

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:32 AM

8. Amen to that, I say! Amen!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:30 AM

5. Nothing gives me the chills like these "mega churches" popping up everywhere.

I don't want to tell the "faithful" that they can't fork over their hard earned dough to these scam artists, any more than I want them telling me I can't hand over mine to the local casino if I want.

However, I believe the days of them not paying taxes on these hauls needs to be OVER. I am in a business where I get to see what certain people make, and it is scary.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:46 AM

18. S.T.F.U. I'm planning to start my new mega-church next week on Channel 666.

 

You're gonna ruin my retirement plans.

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:43 AM

25. As long as you are charismatic, look like a salesman, and can constantly refer to some holy book,

I think you will be fine.

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:54 PM

29. I want to become a clergy man in your church.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:31 AM

6. I have no problems with churches supporting a candidate.

They just have to give up the gift of not paying taxes which is what it is as there is nothing in the constitution written that requires they be given tax free status.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:31 AM

7. Taxation is due

Just what we need....a mouthpiece from God that defies not only the Constitution but the Frickin Tax Code....what will come next Church accounts in the Cayman Islands with COMPLETE tax exemption? Republicans are really solidifying their stupidity. Hold on I see an infomercial from Mike Huckabee!!!!! Onward Christian Soldiers ......(you know the rest of the verses)

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Response to rebuke (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:31 AM

21. taxing the non profits would sure go a long way to solving

our financial mess. I don't see any reason for any of them to be non taxed. The repiglicans are big on letting the members of the church provide welfare rather than the govt.(which would fall way short of the need) so I am sure that members of the church can step up and donate an amount greater than or equal to the amount of the taxation.

It's a win/win.

Tax the churches.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:38 AM

9. If the IRS does anything before the election, they'll say it's Obama's idea but don't expect action.

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It would be good for them to have a huge file of these after the election, if possible even then, but it's not likely. If Romney gets elected, he probably will short staff or eliminate the IRS, EPA, FEC, etc. to go for full privatization.

Elections will be pretty much as thing of the past, JMHO. They've shown they intend to disenfranchise broad swaths of the American population from voting, because it won't matter with the government drowned in the bathtub and all services turned over to them. That's who we'll pay and answer to. This is the trend we're on right now. Yes, it can get worse.

This is the most crucial election of my lifetime, watching the trends over the years. We are on the verge of theocracy. Few voices oppose it in the public media. We are making the choice that will rule millions of lives, and cost millions of lives here and abroad, with Romney and Ryan, Grover Nordquist and the Koch brothers calling the shots. They have stolen much of the Commons, but we are busy arguing about other things.

One barrier I see in stopping this, if Obama is elected and this catastrophe put on hold (and I say only on hold, since the right wingers are not going to stop) is this one thing. Although it's clearly illegal, there is a long tradition since the civil rights era in which Reverends Abernathy, Jackson, Sharpton and MLK, all spoke from pulpits.

They made progressive history by organizing the believers to resist the tyranny of the plutocrats of those days. Now we have pulpits doing the opposite of that, but the precedent remains.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:15 AM

24. I'd be more than happy to be part of a coordinated effort to file complaints against the churches

And since they are putting videos online, we only need to look up their addresses.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:39 AM

10. He doesn't know Jesus.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:42 AM

11. Ha ha, he's preaching wearing a tie

I've always said I'm never going to a church where the pastor wears a tie. Two weeks ago in fact I was at a church where the guy giving the sermon was wearing a hoodie.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:45 AM

12. "Woe to those of you who are rich, for you have received your reward."

It's sort of the core of it, isn't it? The rich going to hell, I mean. Mitch certainly has his ticket punched straight through express first class private car.

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Response to dimbear (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:16 AM

14. It is easier

for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
... that was Jesus talking.

If they believe that stuff, why don't they believe that stuff? Strange.

Tax'm ta hell.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 02:14 AM

13. I think they should do away with the charitable org status exemption and make them all pay

income taxes and property taxes, period.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:31 AM

15. its worse than that....

because of Bush's faith based initiative we actually subsidize the faith industry.. can't understand why everyone just ignores this on first amendment grounds..

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Response to oldhippydude (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:34 AM

22. and this is the real reason the high and mighty churches are

promoting politics from the pulpit. They now more or less are getting paid to do so.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:11 AM

16. So called Christians

I would recommend they work up a sermon based on Romans 13, vs 1 and 2.

I would also recommend they study tax law, rather than challenge the law.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:44 AM

17. In the example given here - the guy wimped out

by claiming to "My endorsement will be Jesus" but he is going to "vote for Rmoney". So the coward apparently still had enough fear of the IRS to not say "I endorse Rmoney". Alot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:50 AM

19. There is a fine line

between freedom of speech and taxable assets.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:13 AM

20. THIS---->

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:56 AM

23. They all know absolutely nothing will happen to them, otherwise

they would not take even the tiniest risk at losing their most prized possession.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:48 AM

26. How would Jesus feel about the 47%?



And so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:58 AM

27. It is happening in a lot of churches

 

and that includes many churches in urban areas.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:00 AM

28. I’m going to vote for Mitt Romney, but I’m not telling you to.”

I have no problem with that if he had then said that each person needs to vote their conscience. Unfortunately he didn't say that. But he probably didn't cross a line that would get the IRS interested either. Still, had I been in that church and had a chance to respond, I would have voiced my dissent.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:16 PM

30. Make these mega churces pay taxes, come on IRS do your job.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:30 PM

31. Make ALL churches pay taxes.

The only deductions should be for secular charitable works with non-church members.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:45 PM

32. +1

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:47 PM

33. "GImme that big-box religion...that WalMart religion..."

Sing to the tune of Give me that Old Tyme Religion...

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